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post #21 of 56
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Originally Posted by ChristSavesAll View Post

I was that 1%. It happens. I NEVER thought it would happen to me. Never in a million years did I think I would be in that 1%.

If a hospital does not have the equipment to care for these patients, I can understand their thinking when they come up with the ban policies.

Our local hospital will not take a patient who comes in before the 37 week mark because they do not have a NICU.
If they can't handle a VBAC rupture, they can't handle cord prolapse, or an unscarred uterine rupture, either. And those are more likely to end in maternal or fetal death if they happen.
post #22 of 56
my c section was nearly painless and my recovery was very quick.. so quick even the hospital staff was surprised. i still want a vbac next time i get pg. i dont consider childbirth something to be avoided at all costs. i think there are benefits to natural child birth that are basically ignored by many medical professionals.

IMHO it is very likely that c sections will become even more popular as women become so afraid of that mysterious thing we call child birth... c sections will be known as the safest, easiest, and most pain free way to wrench that baby out of your poor unsuspecting body.
post #23 of 56
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Originally Posted by channelofpeace View Post
That is always a head scratcher for me. If your hospital is safe enough to handle say, an emergency cord prolapse or fetal distress, it is safe enough to handle UR, right? Either the hospital can handle emergencies in childbirth or it can't. The lack of logic is astounding.
they dont want to deal with the risks. i know some birthing centers around here have had to turn down women for VBACs b/c they could not find an OB willing to take them on.
post #24 of 56
A truly painfree birth would never be a c-section. Even with the best of them, a vaginal birth is less amount of time in pain (on average). If you are up and about 24 hours after a c-section, that is about 10 hours later than most vaginal births from start to finish. Most c-sections take weeks.

I tell friends that talk about being really, really scared of pain to skip a c-section and get an epidural. I had two natural births, but I took walks within 30 minutes of birth and wouldn't trade that for the world. Why women think c-section's are painfree is confusing to me. When has surgical recovery ever been painfree. I say this with two surgeries under my belt and MAN!!! One was a finger and I was downing the percocet. LOL.
post #25 of 56
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Originally Posted by JamesMama View Post
our local hospital put a ban on VBAC)/QUOTE]

That is sooo ridiculous!!! Do you know what the Merck manual says about the actuale chance you have to rupture your uterous with a VBAC??

1% !!!!!!! that's it!!!!:
I'm also that 1%, but since my scar is a T-internally, it's probably much higher from the research that I have done. My Dr told me flat out that vbac are completely safe for most women who have a c/s, but in my situation the scar is so weird that no one really knows what the odds of rupture are, but they are higher for sure than a traditional bikini incision. Plus I can just tell being pregnant again, I feel my T and it definitely feels like probably wouldn't do well during full on contractions.
post #26 of 56
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Originally Posted by channelofpeace View Post
That is always a head scratcher for me. If your hospital is safe enough to handle say, an emergency cord prolapse or fetal distress, it is safe enough to handle UR, right? Either the hospital can handle emergencies in childbirth or it can't. The lack of logic is astounding.
Exactly. Plus, my real pet peeve. VBAC is not a "procedure". It's a non-procedure, happening after a procedure. The terminology around this one drives me crazy.
post #27 of 56
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Exactly. Plus, my real pet peeve. VBAC is not a "procedure". It's a non-procedure, happening after a procedure. The terminology around this one drives me crazy.
remember though a lot of people have that completely backasswards and think vaginal birth (let alone natural birth) is barbaric, unnecessary, and dangerous. figure that one out.
post #28 of 56
I wasn't happy with having a c section but I think I had a decent recovery. I would still like to have a vbac but we'll see when that time comes. I really hope to not be as worried about things as I was the first time around. I have to say that the worst thing was the not being allowed to eat, and if they do that again I'm so having the hubs get me some food, lol. I would also really, really like more information about sucessful breastfeeding after a c section, me and the baby just couldn't figure it out. That's the thing I mourn far more than the natural childbirth.
post #29 of 56
Do they mean that moms are free of labor pain? Thats what came to my mind at least....
post #30 of 56
I've had birth both ways (natural and scheduled c-section) and c-section was much less painful for me. I felt soreness after the c-section and some random brief sharp pains for a couple of weeks, but that was it. If I had to have another scheduled c-section, I would not be afraid.
post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by Aggie View Post
I've had birth both ways (natural and scheduled c-section) and c-section was much less painful for me. I felt soreness after the c-section and some random brief sharp pains for a couple of weeks, but that was it. If I had to have another scheduled c-section, I would not be afraid.
*sigh*
I'm terrified. The pain from my second one lasted almost 8 months. The numbness from my third one has lasted almost 4 years...and I still can't feel my bladder.

I'm just waiting to find out what nifty surprise the OR has for me this time...
post #32 of 56
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*sigh*
I'm terrified. The pain from my second one lasted almost 8 months. The numbness from my third one has lasted almost 4 years...and I still can't feel my bladder.

I'm just waiting to find out what nifty surprise the OR has for me this time...


From my experience talking to women the vast majority have a lot of pain, and also experience some of the other things that you had (lingering pain and numbness in certain areas). There was also a woman I met here on mothering who was unable to feel pretty much anything sexually for 11 months or so after surgery. I too have a friend who has pain still over a year after surgery.

So, I think for the vast majority there is pain, afterall it is major abdominal surgery. One of my friends had a cesarean in February, after 4 normal vaginal births (and she even I think had episiotomies with a couple of those) and she told me she couldn't believe that some women would choose it electively (like the Britney Spears type) to avoid pain. She said she would take the finite over and done of a vaginal birth.

Of course, we know the drama, uncertainty and insanity of defensive medicine and how it has destroyed birth as it was meant to be...sometimes I think these women who 'fear pain' rather fear that uncertainty and the sense that they won't be in control.
post #33 of 56
I know a lot of women who liked their C/S.
My little sister chose to have one and while she wouldn't say the recovery was pain-free, she was defintiely happy with the experience.
DH's ex-wife had 3 sections, and didn't even use pain medicine after she woke up from the third(had general for all 3)..returned to work at TWO WEEKS postpartum, feeling great!??!! Brags about how she had 3 kids and not one labor pain!
post #34 of 56
I'm another "happy and pain-free" vote. Sorry. Throw me off the site.

DD was born through vaginal delivery.... and immediately handed off to DH while I was rushed off to undergo general anesthesia for emergency repair surgery. I didn't hold her for a day or so.... memories are so fuzzy of that time. I couldn't walk without severe pain for weeks, and it was months and months before my body was right again. Scariest experience ever for me and DH and my parents and my brother. I was in serious pain, and the rest of them thought I was going to die. I missed out on a lot of the joy of having a new baby, because my body was too broken to focus on motherhood.

Anyway, after that I decided to have one of those "designer" c-sections with DS. In opposition to much of what is said on this site, my (mainstream) OB/GYNs were VERY much opposed to the idea, and gave me a wealth of literature about why I should not opt for the surgery.

I knew there was no way I could face having another baby vaginally (I would NOT have gotten pregnant again), so I insisted on the section. It was the most wonderful day ever. I was walking around, up and in the shower the next morning.

For me, the two experiences aren't even in the same realm.
post #35 of 56
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Originally Posted by ursusarctos View Post
In many South American countries the c/s rate is higher than that in most private hospitals (where women can choose an elective c/s). I think it has to do with cultural attitudes concerning women wanting to "keep things tight" in their pelvic area, though it could also have to do with the degree of convenience involved in being able to schedule the birth and have it "over with" in just a few minutes.
I also have a hunch, after reading about hospital birthing conditions in many Asian and South American countries, that the practices still common there (similar to American practices in the 50s) may lead to such horrific vaginal birth experiences that women will choose c/s just to avoid that.
I would imagine there are similar forces at work in that Florida hospital...
Most of my family and friends live in Brazil.
Over there the attitude many women have is that vaginal birth is not civilized. When they heard that not only I have never had a c-section, but don't even use pain meds, they were horrified that I would give birth in such a "stone-age way" :
It is a vicious cycle because if most women are having c-sections, the doctors don't get much of a chance to attend natural births, and because they lack experience, they push more women to go with the route they are most familiar with. It is AWFUL!
post #36 of 56
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Originally Posted by channelofpeace View Post
That is always a head scratcher for me. If your hospital is safe enough to handle say, an emergency cord prolapse or fetal distress, it is safe enough to handle UR, right? Either the hospital can handle emergencies in childbirth or it can't. The lack of logic is astounding.
That's the point, some hospitals can not handle these things, and try to minimize the risk (for themselves, of course) of something like this happening at their hospital.

Our local hospital is not equipped to deal with these things, which is why they only take "low risk" births. If they think your baby will need anything other than a warmer after birth you are flown to a different hospital.
post #37 of 56
Obviously we are all very grateful that C-sections exist for those that need them. And I'm sure there are many women with good surgeons and easy recoveries that had good experiences. However, the idea that it is 'easy' or 'pain free' is ridiculous. No surgery is without risk. So a hospital with really high rates, essentially advertising sections as the easy way is sad.

However, lets not assume that vaginal birth never leaves long term or permanent damage either.
post #38 of 56
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From my experience talking to women the vast majority have a lot of pain, and also experience some of the other things that you had (lingering pain and numbness in certain areas). There was also a woman I met here on mothering who was unable to feel pretty much anything sexually for 11 months or so after surgery.
I lost all my clitoral sensation - almost all of my pelvic sensation - for six months after ds2, so I know what you mean. It was probably about a year before that all felt normal again. (Honestly, I'm not sure if it ever came fully back to normal, or if it mostly came back, and I adapted to the new sensations.)

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...sometimes I think these women who 'fear pain' rather fear that uncertainty and the sense that they won't be in control.
I think there's some truth to that. I find it odd myself, because I've never felt less in control of my life or my body or everything else, than when I'm lying on an OR table, unable to feel most of my body...
post #39 of 56
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I'm another "happy and pain-free" vote. Sorry. Throw me off the site.
What? Why? I don't think anybody here is saying that it doesn't happen. We just don't like the way certain parts of the obstetrical community portray it as the norm.

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Anyway, after that I decided to have one of those "designer" c-sections with DS. In opposition to much of what is said on this site, my (mainstream) OB/GYNs were VERY much opposed to the idea, and gave me a wealth of literature about why I should not opt for the surgery.
It doesn't oppose what I say. It hasn't been my experience, and it hasn't been the experience of a lot of other women here - but it happens. Actually, considering how often I hear of women who want a c-section being told how risky it is, while women who don't want one are sold a song and dance about how safe it is...I'm inclined to think many OBs just want us to do what they think is best, and to hell with what's best for us.

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For me, the two experiences aren't even in the same realm.
Of course they weren't. You had a vaginal birth with complications, and a c-section without complications. Why would they be in the same realm? One went wrong, and one went right.
post #40 of 56
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Originally Posted by JamesMama View Post
I was pain free and walking around the same day after both my vaginal births.

A friend of mine who had 3 c/s (first was due to pre-e, 2nd and 3rd were repeat...our local hospital put a ban on VBAC) hated her c/s. She still mourns the fact that she never got to labor. She was THRILLED that she got to feel a couple ctx with her third...she called me the night before the c/s and says "Guess what? I'm pregnant with my 3rd and just felt my first contraction. It is SOOOO cool!!!" She is happy she has healthy children but does feel she missed out on something special. And pain-free isn't the word I'd use considering she had a Morphine machind for the first 24-hours...
You must know my twin - cause this is my story right here. My first was born 6 weeks preemie by emergency c-section that did save her life, and i will always be greatful for that... but my 2nd and 3rd was do to vbac ban And i did get to feel some contractions during my 3rd (i actually hoped/prayed i would go into labor before my surgery date and just refuse surgery if i went in late and ready to birth). I love my children with all my being, but feel robbed of never getting to experience normal child birth
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