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post #21 of 23

Why do people willfully abandon critical thinking when it comes to quick health cures? NRT is AK is quackery.

If you encapsulate mercury in a tiny glass vial and swallow it, NOTHING will happen. You'll pass the vial out with no mercury getting out and killing you.

 

But take that same vial, wave it over someone... and if their arm or leg looses strength then they have MERCURY POISON. BUT WAIT! Somehow that mercury resonates with the mercury lurking in your body. Through the glass, air and body tissues. Thankfully the  tester has just the right vitamin in stock to help you! Oh, and you can't get it anywhere else because everyone else's vitamins are crap. Follow your senses and the money.

 

NRT Fails every double blind test. Why? It does not work. It has the same statistical record as random guessing. Read up on it in medical and scientific journals.

 

"One of my favorite stories from the history of skepticism is Ray Hyman’s account of how he and Wally Sampson did a double blind test of AK. A group of chiropractors claimed they could distinguish between glucose (“bad” sugar) and fructose (“good” sugar) by putting a drop of dissolved sugar on a patient’s tongue and testing the muscle strength in their arms. They demonstrated that they could reliably detect which was which… as long as they and the patients bothknew which was which. Under double-blind conditions, they failed miserably. The head chiropractor then commented to Ray:

"You see, that is why we never do double-blind testing anymore. It never works!"

I think that’s a hilarious example of how many CAM advocates think: they know they are right, and threfore there must be something wrong with science if it fails to support them."

 

Some links to actual research, the middle one by chiropractors themselves.

http://chiromt.com/content/15/1/11

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/applied-kinesiology-by-any-other-name/

For those that did get positive health results, look at what else they did. Cut out sugar, processed and fast food, started exercising, etc...There's your cause and effect for losing weight and getting healthier. Common sense.

 

post #22 of 23

Hello Sihaya. You first posted this in May, 2009. Here it is January 2013 and another response is getting posted. Wow, not bad!  Hope you get an email whenever someone drops by and posts.

 

I am one of the ones I hope you won't mind reading.

 

On Thanksgiving morning, 2011, I was preparing to cook for about 10 people, doing all the prep at my house to be transported it to another home. At 8:24 my husband said "Are you all set?". I said "Sure thing! See you later." and he went out the door.  I still remember the sound of the door shutting for at that point, I turned toward the counter and my world changed. My lower back snapped out of place and it took 4 days to get to a chiropractor as no one was available over the TG holiday.  As I stood in the office that Monday morning (I couldn't sit) I had a chance to begin taking in the information about nutrition response testing. I asked the Dr. about it and ultimately made the decision to try it. 

 

Why?  It wasn't whimsey, believe me. It wasn't covered by any medical program. At 58 years of age I'd been feeling worse with a cumulating build up of symptoms that could not be specified.  I didn't feel good. I felt sluggish. I had cloudy thinking. I felt like I was full of sludge - ever try to tell a that to a health practitioner? I was depressed, my blood pressure was up, I knew I had to start a diet but had no clue where to start. Everything was wrong from the inside out, but if you can't tell your health care practitioner exactly what's wrong, they have nothing much to offer, except tests.  I had a small dose I took every day for a low thyroid reading but that was it. (Don't be a whiner!)  The answer to Why?: Because I could tell THIS Dr. all the whiney weird FEELINGS I had about not feeling well, and he simply treated it as a normal expression of symptoms and said, very calmly, "We'll get you straightened out." 

 

The little sceptical voice was saying "You know, at your age, you are on the downhill track, nothing's going to get better, it's your LOT to be overweight (5'6" @ 236 lbs.) with high blood pressure, you know you can't really lose weight and keep it off, you've got sleep apnea and you'll be on that machine at level 11 for the rest of your life, you can't do any physical activities any more because you're old, you're lucky you have a job and a whole lot of other depressed thoughts. 

 

But I looked at the Nutrition Response Testing, applied the testimonials to myself, considered what they were saying, why it works and concluded that even though it flew in the face of conventional medicine, conventional medicine was not helping me one darn bit ... and I was going to give this a shot.  All I had to lose was bad health.  The cost? Money? When you don't have good health and you're going downhill, the health care practitioner just wants to give you blood pressure meds.  Money wasted on meds that don't address the cause, and the cost is more loss of health.

 

My session test revealed the diagnosis of  "Wheat", said the Dr.  "Oh!" I said, "Gluten!"  "No," said the Dr., "My diagnosis is wheat."  My immediate inner question was "Can I give up wheat?  ALL wheat?"  My answer was "To get healthy, YES! NO PROBLEM!"  (Please note that my go-to comfort food was Italian bread and I was becoming an accomplished artisan bread creator!)  Is that all?  Actually, no, my brain said, give up sugar, cafeine, white potatos, processed dairy (cleared up my plugged sinuses) and eat for your blood type.

 

I started that day and persevered with a highly skeptical husband watching from the sidelines.  I urged him to try it but he said he'd wait until I "proved" it would work by losing weight. I had also seen"Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead" (highly recommended) and began juicing and using the supplements recommended from the nutrition response test. After I lost 20 pounds, my husband admitted I must be on to something. At -30 lbs., he finally said he thought he'd try it. At -40 lbs., he started trying a different diet and was able to drop 35 lbs.

 

As of Thanksgiving 2012, age 59, I had lost 80 lbs.  I had gone from a (tight) size 24 pants to size 14.  Brain clouds were gone, blood pressure down, depression and anxiety hugely lowered. My CPAP pressure has been dropped to 6 and will be going down again.  My sleep Dr. actually sat and asked me what I had done to lose the weight and was interested in what I had to say!  I can wear high heels again. I can physically WORK again. I swim laps at the pool 4 nights a week and feel great for it.  The weight and poor health are not coming back.  I can hardly wait to see where I'll be on Thanksgiving morning 2013. This has been a memorable journey and it's not over!

 

 I used to be able to eat bread with no problem at all. Why would that change?  A point about wheat that is one of those hidden things: There is so much GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) wheat in our foods now that it cannot be avoided. GMO wheat produces a modified gluten which is far more incompatible to humans than the old type of wheat, thus the huge upswing in gluten sensitivity being reported. 

 

My husband still says the Dr. who helped me get to this point is a witch doctor who has a mask he puts on and shakes his rattles, but he says it with respect and admiration. The Dr. who helped me get this far talked of how he originally flat out did not believe any of the claims of NRT ... until he had a back pain that was cleared up by NRT, so he took another look at it with an open mind. 

 

I think I'll start horseback riding lessons this summer.

post #23 of 23

Thanks to all for your posts on this.  I too am skeptical, but open-minded.  I'm also a research scientist, and I set out to find more research tonight, and found this thread as well (and this is actually not my first post on Mothering, LOL). If you google Applied Kinesiology, you will find all manner of opinions and references to research; and as in all fields, research studies vary in rigor, sample size and generalizability, method, etc. and you can weave a tale of support or refute the methodology.  Research here seems hopeful, but not yet truly rigorous (as some here have pointed out) and so I would say does not currently offer the support one would need to draw conclusions either way.  At first glance, there seem to be more skeptics/critics than supporters out there, but the overwhelmingly positive anecdotes make me wonder which side of the story to run with. 

 

I'm so torn.  I agree that modern medicine has little to offer, as drugs don't really cure much of anything, and I already know that nutrition is key to many of my own issues.  I've  been down this path long enough to realize that what I eat and which supplements I take affect how I feel and how my body functions.  But really, is NRT fact, faith or fiction?  Is it a valid way to ascertain what is causing the symptoms that I'm concerned about?  The jury is still out.

 

For the record, I did have preliminary NRT and was not told which items were being tested but was given the results afterwards. I wonder how often it is done that way, i.e., by using muscle testing without telling the patient which substances were being tested. Some of the results were surprising and others were as expected.  I wish there was more research out there, or at the very least better documentation. Not sure whether this is worth my time and attention, but at the same time, I do not feel that my doctor could offer me more than what I've gained through nutrition counseling.  But NRT is a leap of faith beyond what I've tried thus far (and not cheap).  

 

Again, thanks all for the posts! So interesting...  

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