Why are vaccines bad?

[perspective]

I am a user from the Case Against Circumcision. It makes total logical sense that we should not circumcise baby boys since there really is NO solid medical proof that out weighs forced alteration of an infant, taking away personal choice from the most private and symbolically meaningful parts of the body.

Yet with vaccines, nothing is removed, I find it hard to imagine someone feeling violated from a injection that in many cases leave no trace they even occured. Also many diseases have been controlled or removed in society because of vaccines (polio is the big one that comes to mind)

With my history on the circ debate, I have learned never to assume anything. So even though I have many assumptions, I wanted to ask why are vaccinations bad? If more people are saved from horrible diseases then are ones who face side effects, as a society, and as individuals arn't vaccinations still the safer bet when going by the numbers?

I am not here to argue, or spark a debate, but simply to present what I think, and see what I can learn from people who fight against vaccines.

thanks.

[peainthepod]

This thread has some really great summaries in it, particularly post #2 by lauradgb: http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1076082

Nothing is removed with vaccines except an unaltered immune system that has been allowed to function as Nature and millions of years of evolution intended. Also, given the utter lack of long-term studies (or really any true double-blind placebo studies) done on vaccine safety, I think it's utterly unethical to inject them into children who cannot give informed consent. To me it is a human rights issue as well as a health concern.

There are lots of other reasons but for now I'll just stick with the thread I linked and the paragraph above. Good luck in your research! It's a long and daunting but highly interesting journey. The Vaccinations Archive right here on MDC is a great place to start.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by perspective

thanks.

GOOD FOR YOU FOR BEING OPEN MINDED.

Once you research vaccines you will forever be glad that you did not just simply stick with your assumptions.

Forget autism. It is an excuse pharma industry uses to "proof" that vaccines are not harmful. Just read and learn. Pretty much everything you learned about circ you can apply to vaccines.

Your child will be so much better off without those cancer causing, immune system altering chemicals injected which the body can never get rid of again.

Welcome to the forum!

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I am the grandmother of 4 intact, unvaccinated kids.

[Scattershoot]

Congrats. To have a truly open heart and open mind regarding the status quo takes guts. Those with the courage to see the world from a wider perspective and have the fortitude to apply lessons learned, help change the world. Here is my 2 cents worth.

This may sound extreme, but we truly live in a grand illusion. A matrix so to speak. Why do so many people believe the exact same thing about so much when they don’t really have any experience or knowledge regarding that particular issue? How is it that you can ask two complete strangers about a subject that they have no experience with at all, such as AIDS, and you will get the exact same answers? Why is it when a small minority start to break free from this shared understanding, they are chastised, ridiculed, labeled and ostracized? What mechanisms maintain this system? Who or what could possibly have the power and influence to create a reality for another to such an extent that the conditioning is not only basically complete but unbeknownst to the influenced? To what end?

These are big questions that will take anyone down a deep rabbit hole regarding just about any belief that most people think they know to be true. Wanting to know the truth is where it all starts, and most people don’t get very far with it because it creates cognitive dissonance. It is much easier to simply believe we are right. We don’t have to worry about what other’s think about us. We fit in and therefore don’t have to deal with the psychological, emotional, physical and spiritual repercussions of not doing as told.

I could give you 15 years worth of learning regarding the concept of vaccination, but the fact is you will find out the truth if you maintain your open heart and open mind. Good luck in your journey. God Bless.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

Congrats. To have a truly open heart and open mind regarding the status quo takes guts. Those with the courage to see the world from a wider perspective and have the fortitude to apply lessons learned, help change the world. Here is my 2 cents worth.

This may sound extreme, but we truly live in a grand illusion. A matrix so to speak. Why do so many people believe the exact same thing about so much when they don’t really have any experience or knowledge regarding that particular issue? How is it that you can ask two complete strangers about a subject that they have no experience with at all, such as AIDS, and you will get the exact same answers? Why is it when a small minority start to break free from this shared understanding, they are chastised, ridiculed, labeled and ostracized? What mechanisms maintain this system? Who or what could possibly have the power and influence to create a reality for another to such an extent that the conditioning is not only basically complete but unbeknownst to the influenced? To what end?

These are big questions that will take anyone down a deep rabbit hole regarding just about any belief that most people think they know to be true. Wanting to know the truth is where it all starts, and most people don’t get very far with it because it creates cognitive dissonance. It is much easier to simply believe we are right. We don’t have to worry about what other’s think about us. We fit in and therefore don’t have to deal with the psychological, emotional, physical and spiritual repercussions of not doing as told.

I could give you 15 years worth of learning regarding the concept of vaccination, but the fact is you will find out the truth if you maintain your open heart and open mind. Good luck in your journey. God Bless.

I wouldn't have said it better myself. Truer words were never spoken!
an to the OP. It is not about what is taken away but about what is put in when it comes to vaccinations. I agree with scattershoot, it would take me way to long and take up way too much space to tell you why I think vaccines are bad. The PP's have given a good starting off point, but as with everything, you must do the research yourself and fine your own truth.

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by perspective

Yet with vaccines, nothing is removed, I find it hard to imagine someone feeling violated from a injection that in many cases leave no trace they even occured. Also many diseases have been controlled or removed in society because of vaccines (polio is the big one that comes to mind)

There is a lot of obfuscation surrounding polio incidence. There was a very broad change in diagnostic criteria that literally removed tons of cases with the stroke of a pen.

Pre-verbal infants are incapable of communicating adverse reactions, they simply scream inconsolably because their brains hurt - or they don't show any symptoms of reaction because they've been doped up on NSAIDS. The human immune system is very much a work in progress, and while it is certainly stimulated the moment an infant leaves the womb - these kinds of exposures to mammals have occurred for millions of years. Piercing the skin and delivering the antigen (and their friends) is something that would never occur in nature, and we humans haven't been doing it all that long. There are no doubt untoward effects that scientists have not considered. I've just been reading this paper - FROM 2006. Decades into the accelerated vaccine schedule (from after the age of 2 to 24 hours old)

I wanted to ask why are vaccinations bad?

I don't think they are bad, and for some populations of people they may be necessary.

If more people are saved from horrible diseases then are ones who face side effects, as a society, and as individuals arn't vaccinations still the safer bet when going by the numbers?

When quantifying disease incidence, there are numerous factors to consider. Are health officials on heightened alert? (ie. swine flu hysteria) Are we using laboratory methods to verify, or simply clinical observation? At the same time, there is absolutely no way to know who will, or will not, become sick when dealing with certain pathogens and viruses. Either way, dealing with, and overcoming such threats only serves to strengthen the overall health of the herd.

I am not here to argue, or spark a debate, but simply to present what I think, and see what I can learn from people who fight against vaccines.

thanks.

Darn, I love to argue.