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post #21 of 356
Umm, okay, maybe I'm just exposing my ignorance here...but doesn't the baking soda and vinegar just foam up like crazy in your hair? Is that how it's suppossed to work?
post #22 of 356
i believe they are serperate if that's what you're asking. you don't mix the two.
post #23 of 356
I have a lot of the same q's as SMPH.
I decided today to stop shampooing dh's hair. should be a pretty easy task, as i was washing it only one day a week anyway. her hair is also short (she's 13 mo), and fine, so no tangles really.

my hair is another issue. it is down to my waist, and gets oily at the top after a day, and dry at the ends. i wash it every other day right now. it looks greasy after skipping a day. i will see how the baking soda does.

as far as lotions-- dd has very dry skin, with some bouts of eczema. i basically just use olive oil, and have since birth. but sometimes i need something more concentrated. any suggestions on the most natural route to go?

i am really digging this thread.

post #24 of 356
i recently had some very, very dry skin. i've never had eczema so i'm not sure if that's what it was. i tired eucerin and neosporin (it cracked and hurt). both sort of worked. then i put lansinoh on it over night. it's almost totally healed now. for us that stuff is a miracle cure.
post #25 of 356
Thread Starter 
Shannon....I brush my hair before I get in the shower, just to loosen the dirt. Its not even a natural bristle brush, that I know of....but it still works. I've heard that natural bristle brushes are better for your hair.....not sure on why...could someone hair-educated explain this.....

Mona.....on eczema....I'd offer that there is usually an allergen causing this; typically casein (or milk protein). It starts to cause leaky gut and the casein gets into the blood stream, causing an allergic reaction in many infants, voila....eczema. You might want to do a search on mothering about leaky gut. There is a poster here that knows volumes about it and how to cure it with probiotics (his name escapes me now). On another note...you might have to experiment with your hair type to get no-shampoo to work for you.....but I believe its really worth it. Read the article on shampoo below......

Here's a link I found on the web about going no-shampoo. The author is African-American, so some of the advice is tailored for that hair type. Informative, nonetheless....

http://motowngrl.8m.net/no_shampoo.htm

Found this article on the web.......

Reversing Shampoo

"I didn't actually crack the shampoo scam, all I did was write this. But as with any other protected thing, at least somebody knows the truth all along.

The truth here is that shampoo's bad for your hair. It cleans out dirt, but also the oil that makes your hair shiny and strong. However shampoo's sold as something your hair really needs, and the truth is suppressed.

There are several common sorts of soapy things. They attract oils by electric charge, allowing the oil to be emulsified with the water. For some reason, these cleaners are themselves made from fats. Soap is made from animal or vegetable oil, and detergent is made from mineral oil. Detergents can be made more powerful. Shampoo is detergent, just like dishwashing detergent, bathroom cleaner, and engine block cleaner.

People used to use soap to wash their hair, as well as their dishes, clothes and bathrooms (and horses, before there were engines.) Soap was better suited to washing hair, because it didn't remove so much of the oils that are naturally in hair.
But the water supply slowly changed. It's now generally more alkaline, which people call hard water. When this started happening, soap didn't work so well. The chemicals which make water alkaline make soap stop lathering well, and form insoluble scum (eg. the ring in the bath.) So soap got less and less effective for all its cleaning uses. I guess the water was always pretty alkaline in some places, so soap was never an ideal cleaner. Around the beginning of the twentieth century, household detergents became available. Detergents have no problem with alkaline water, so they were really popular. They soon became cheaper than soap, too.
So that's why people stopped using soap for almost everything, and started using detergents. Detergents are excellent cleaners for most uses.

If you've tried using soap to wash your hair, you probably know how your hair goes all rough and tangly. This is worse if your water's harder (more alkaline.) I moved recently, and suddenly started having problems using soap in my hair. The problem is that hair reacts to acids and alkalis.

Each hair has little scales, like scales on a snake or shingles on a roof. Acid makes the scales lie down flat, which makes your hair shiny and smooth. (Ever heard that lemon juice is good for your hair?) Alkali makes the scales stand up, which makes your hair look dull and feel rough and tangly. Therefore hard water, which is common these days, makes it harder to wash your hair. If you use soap to wash your hair in hard water, then the combination of your hair's scales standing up and the soap forming scum makes your hair into a terrible mess. Then, since your hair's all tangled and rough, it's impossible to rinse out all the soap, which makes it look terrible.

Shampoo, being detergent, can rinse out of your hair fine even in alkaline water. That's its only good point. Its fundamental, but covered up, bad point is that it's very harsh, and damages your hair permanently. Conditioner was soon introduced as people noticed that shampoo sucked the oils out of their hair dry and left it all dry and brittle. Conditioner puts artificial oils in your hair, and they stay there just long enough so that you don't associate the damage to your hair with the shampoo that caused it.
You have to wash your hair every day, not because it always gets dirty so fast but because the oils from the conditioner don't last and have to be replenished. Conditioner wasn't used until shampoo came about.

But the real cheat in shampoo is when it's sold as being especially good for your hair. Expensive shampoos are in a way better, but only because the conditioner that comes with them is better at covering up the damage done by the shampoo. The actual shampoo itself is pretty much the same as any cheap shampoo. The professional formula, which will nourish your hair and make it grow more healthy, with vitamins and natural nutrients, gentle seaweed extracts, jojoba oil. . . .

Remember that your hair's dead. That exposes half of shampoo advertising as lies. Remember that shampoo is just detergent. That shows that most of the remaining half is lies too. Remember that the oils your hair needs come naturally out of your scalp, as they've been doing for thousands of years before conditioner was invented. When you think about it, nothing that is claimed about shampoo and conditioner is true.

In a way, we really do need conditioner, as advertising implies. But the real reason why we need it is because our hair gets damaged by shampoo. This is just another case of using lies to help a bad product (shampoo) gain dominance over a good product (soap), then introducing another product (conditioner) to compensate for the bad product's faults, and then tricking people into accepting huge price increases once they forget the good product.

The only good thing about shampoo is that it doesn't work any worse in hard water.
Does that ever get mentioned in advertising? The rest is lies, to fool you into paying $10 for a $1 bottle of perfumed detergent.

What to do

Soap is good to wash your hair with. Forget all the dregs of misinformation spread by shampoo manufacturers, and forget that soap is "harsh". Remember that the problem with using soap is in the water, not the soap. You just need to solve the problem of the hard water, and soap is fine to use. I can recommend two ways.

If your water's not too hard, just substitute soap for shampoo, and use any old cheapish conditioner. The conditioner will make the scales on your hair lie down, and let the last of the soap get rinsed out. You might have to experiment with different soaps and conditioners. Maybe some conditioner which is pH balanced is best. Some "good ol" plain soap with no added water and perfume is probably best.

Otherwise, you can add some weak acid at some point in the washing process. Since you need just a tiny amount, even cheap vinegar will do, without leaving a smell. You could make a soap goo out of soap and water, and add a bit of lemon juice. You could have a jug of water with a teaspoonful of vinegar in it, to rinse your hair with after soaping. Or how about pouring it into a plastic squirty bottle, so you don't spill it.

Another good thing is oil of rosemary. It stimulates your scalp, to encourage the natural oils to flow. Actually I haven't worked out how to get it onto my scalp, since there's all that hair in the way, but I've heard it's possible.

So in summary, shampoo had a legitimate claim as an alternative for soap. But now it's not sold by that claim, it's sold by lies. Soap's better for your hair, and you can still use it if you compensate for hard water.

Makoli"
post #26 of 356
Very Timely thread! I have just started going the non-commercial hair washing way. I have thick curly hair that can at times(i.e. when its humid) be a real bear. It goes from be kinda frizzy one day to "hey, I could be a hair model" the next day. Shampoos and conditionerswere not the answer for anything long-term. When I came across a friends book by Rosemary Gladstar, I tried some of the suggestions.

So now I have been using a glycerin soap mixed with jojoba or almond oil(there is alittle olive oil in the glycerin base) and some distilled water. I wash it once/week. I have used the apple cider vinegar which I add just a tad of oil to( alittle goes a long way). I live in Arizona so the climate is particularily dry, so between shampooing days, I sometimes put a dab of jojoba in my hands and work it through the ends of my hair.

To make a long post a little longer...I am still working on completely solving my prob with dry scalp(moving to a more humid climate could help!!) I have yet to try some of the recipes for herbal rinses, so there is help yet.

SMPH...Lansinoh works like a miracle on my dd dry patches. There is also a great recipe in Gladstars Family Herbal . My friend makes lotion with this and adds lavender essential oil. It has really helped, too.

Oh...and brush brush brush!
Kathy
post #27 of 356
We are switching to a shampoo bar soap. It seems to lather well.

I have below waste length hair and I only wash maybe once a week at most or else I would have had to cut it short long ago.
post #28 of 356
Wow, this sounds cool. I have never really considered it (although I don't use any soaps on ds because I don't want to create a chemical dependence - so I am familiar with the idea). You have me convinced! I'm thinking I should try no shampoo too! I'll let you know if I get brave enough!

M
post #29 of 356
My IL's and dh are from India and I was interested to know their hair-washing practices. They bathe 1-2 times a day including rinsing the hair with water and letting it air dry. Once a week they take a "head bath" where they put coconut oil in their hair (Parachute brand-- you can find it at Indian grocery stores here). They let it sit for about 1 hour, then rub oil all over their bodies. In the old days they used soaproot to shampoo the oil out of their hair and off their bodies. Now they just use regular shampoo, no conditioner. People with dandruff will rinse their scalps with a solution made from the neem tree (it's a disinfectant).

I know a lot of it is genetics but my MIL and SIL have the most beautiful thick hair! My SIL 's braid down her back is so thick, I've never seen anyone with hair like that before.

As for myself I have to wash my hair every day because of eczema on my scalp (oil causes the condition to worsen). I don't use soap on my entire body, only in the crucial places. If I use it all over my body daily I would have such dry skin!

Darshani
post #30 of 356
Thread Starter 

Day 10 - No Poo!

ahhh, this is fascinating. I remember a little Indian girl who was in my class when I taught pre-K. She always came to school with her long hair tightly braided and oiled (and smelling like coconut...mmm). By mid-morning, the oil was gone and her hair was shiny and gorgeous.

I will be washing/conditioning my hair with a raw egg tomorrow....stay tuned......



Lisa
post #31 of 356
i showerd this morning and wet my hair, but didn't use shampoo. i was worried that it would look as oily coming out as it did going in, but it looks great!
i did spray in some conditioner after i got out, and then put some olive oil on the ends also.
anyway, going fine so far!
post #32 of 356
Thread Starter 
Alright Mona!! I haven't gotten my shower yet today.....but I'll be doing a raw egg wash. Will let everyone know how that goes....

Lisa

PS...Does anyone else have any knowledge about how other cultures handle hair washing?? I think we're probably the most suds-obsessed country in the world.
post #33 of 356
I'm only on day 6 (maybe 5) of no washing. Today I did a baking soda paste wash but left it on for 20 minutes or so followed by a ACV rinse. Feels pretty good! Better than last week as this point when all I had done was the ACV rinse.

I almost look forward to NOT washing my hair!

I'm not washing DS' anymore either.
post #34 of 356
You all inspired me! lol! I took my shower this morning and applied only a minimal amt. of shampoo and kept it close to the scalp to treat my eczema. Then I used a conditioner and wow, my hair looks so healthy! Not sure if I could give it up completely (and I find using those baking soda, etc. concoctions too much trouble) but I'll see how little shampoo I can get away with using.

Just a side note: I have learned with washing cloth diapers that you really don't need a full scoop of detergent to get them clean. As little as 2 tsp. is enough for some people. We have hard water so use a little more than that. We also have started using less on our regular laundry. If you use too much it won't rinse out well, and can also cause build-up of residues on the clothing fibers. Hard water makes it worse than soft. So I challenge you to use 1/2 your normal amt. of laundry detergent and see if you can even tell!

Darshani
post #35 of 356
Quote:
Originally posted by USAmma
Just a side note: I have learned with washing cloth diapers that you really don't need a full scoop of detergent to get them clean. As little as 2 tsp. is enough for some people. We have hard water so use a little more than that. We also have started using less on our regular laundry. If you use too much it won't rinse out well, and can also cause build-up of residues on the clothing fibers. Hard water makes it worse than soft. So I challenge you to use 1/2 your normal amt. of laundry detergent and see if you can even tell!

Darshani
Yep, even the Sears repair man who came to service our washer said to only use 1/2 the recommended amount at the most. You'd never know the difference! Everything gets just as clean (and seems to not get dirty as fast) as if you used the full amount.

Great tip!!!

Antonia
post #36 of 356
Thread Starter 
and I thought I was just being thrifty :LOL Darshani....I know what ya mean...I thought it'd be a lot of extra effort too....BUT...I'm all about simplicity and this totally works for me. Here's what I do: Baking soda box is right by the shower (not in..cuz it'd get wet and hard). I mix the paste right in my hand as I shower, slap it on my hair and rub it around. I don't even wait the 1/2 hour mentioned in an earlier post. I let it on while I shower. The apple cider vinegar is right there in the shower too....and I just dump it on my hair after the baking soda is washed out. No fuss, no muss! I only do this once a week, so far. The other days.....I just rinse with water. I was gonna try the egg today....but, truth be told, I didn't even get a shower today. I KNOW y'all know how that is.....

Lisa
post #37 of 356
I would like to stop washing my hair with shampoo as well. But, my head gets crazy itchy if I go for a while without washing it. What causes this? Will the washing with baking soda help with that?
post #38 of 356
I have an old 70s book somewhere I have had forever called "Feed your face" by Dian Buchman ( or somethng like that ) It has a whole section about natural shampoos. It's in the shed somewhere so I can't find it right now I remember she talked about using orris root as a natural shampoo. You sprinkle it in & then brush it out. I s'pose it absorbs the greasiness ?? She also talks about using egg & either a rosemary infusion for dark hair or chamomile for light hair.

This is a timely thread for me as I have been thinking about the same thing myself. If I use cheap shampoo, my hair is greasy & lank on day 2. If I use the mega arm & leg stuff from the hairdressers I can hold out for 4 or 5 days. It needs a wash now so I will try the baking soda thing tomorrow.
post #39 of 356
I cut out shampoo a couple years ago because I have curly hair and "The Curly girl Handbook" recommended against shampoo for curlies. I "wash" with conditioner and occasionally rinse with lemon juice. Sometimes my scalp gets bad and I use a baking soda paste to try to get rid of build up.

Tamara
post #40 of 356
Thread Starter 
OceanMomma....that sounds like a cool book! Go find it and tell us more!! Vanessa......I'm sure you could find an easy regimen that would take care of the itchies. Baking soda would probably take care of that for ya....maybe add a couple drops of tea tree essential oil (which is great for dandruff) into the paste before you apply it.

Lisa