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post #1 of 15
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I posted in the night-time parenting forum about whether people thought the # of times my DD wakes in the night is normal, but haven't gotten a response, so went looking into allergy info. I'm thinking she might be reacting to something, but would appreciate your advice. The suggestion has come up thru out her short life multiple times, but never anything so bad that I really looked for more info.

When she was a newborn sometimes she seemed to refuse to latch and would just scream, and I did a diet dairy for a bit to see if that had anything to do with it, but I was dealing with a lot of other issues with our bfing relationship and when they resolved I forgot we'd ever suspected allergies and no one ever analyzed the diet dairy.

I think she may have eczema behind her ear. I've never seen it IRL and the pics Ive found on the internet are hard to compare, but it cycles thru bloody-crusty to yellow-crusty to slightly red and back again. It's been going on for 3 moths now and everything I've tried to heal it has only worked for a day at the most. There is only the small spot in the crease behind her ear though.

She wakes on average every 40 minutes thru-out the night. She will wake with a cry and the boob will get her back to sleep easily, but it's still a lot of waking. She's very restless at night too and quite gassy. Often she'll squirm around until she farts and will either then wake up crying or will (rarely) go back to sleep on her own.

Other than that though, she seems to be a happy, normal baby. There's nothing that screams allergies at me, but if she does have even a slight intolerance I'd rather cut that out of my diet. I feel a little silly even posting this though!

I had a respiratory allergy to wheat that was treated with shots (and no wheat while getting them) for 2 years when I was a kid, if that makes any difference. They then pronounced me "cured" and I've eaten wheat ever since.

If you *do* think my very limited list of suspicions are enough to warrant an ED, I'm worried about what I'll eat and if I'll lose too much weight. I've already lost *so* much weight from bfing, I don't have any to spare. I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian, so if I cut out dairy, eggs, nuts, and soy... where will I get protein? I know I can cross those bridges if needed, but I need to decide whether I even have to go there first.

Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 15
When I started out, it was because DD2 was waking up 10-12 times a night. So yes, I think it's possible. With eczema besides, I think it's even more possible. And with your history of a wheat allergy (which I've never heard of resolving with shots, but that's really interesting, since I assume it was a while ago), it's even MORE possible.

I wouldn't go straight to a full TED, that's for sure. I'd take out dairy and soy first. For 2 weeks. See where that gets you. If no improvement, then take out gluten for another couple weeks. Then corn. Then eggs. That's the order I'd go in just because of the prevalance of those in our survey here. So you'll still be getting protein from eggs for the first part, and nuts, and beans even if you have to cut out eggs. Once you get to baseline, where she has no symptoms, then add the things back in one at a time to test each one.

Keep a detailed food journal while you're doing it (everything you/she eats/drinks, if she's taking any solids -- sorry, I forgot to look at her age), and any supplements, and all symptoms (like how many times a night she wakes up - I actually had a pad of paper next to my rocking chair that I nursed in, and made a hash mark next to the date for every time I was up with her).

It takes at least 4 days to get something out of your milk (and sometimes up to 2 weeks for things like dairy and gluten) so give it a little time. And for the things that you CAN eat, eat a lot of them. And keep in mind that there are people on here who WERE vegetarians who started eating meat because there were so few foods left that they had been eating because their baby was intolerant to most of them. Not saying it's going to happen to you, just to keep it in mind as a possibility for your health and the baby's.
post #3 of 15
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Thanks for the reply!

First, when I got shots it was in the late 80's; I was in 2nd-3rd grades. My parents were searching for a reason I was having migraines and coughing all night long so I was allergy tested. They said there were two types of wheat allergies - a respiratory one and an intestinal one, the latter not being treatable and the former being treatable with shots to "up" my tolerance. So they took me off wheat for 2 years and instead gave me a shot every Thursday for those 2 whole, very long, years. And then they let me eat wheat again. I don't cough all night long anymore... but I do still have migraines. Go figure.

Anyway, that makes total sense that I could limit stuff one or two at a time and wouldn't have to go completely without a non-veg protein source right away. I've been a veg my whole life, never eaten meat, so that would be a HUGE change for me. Hopefully I won't have to go there, but I see how you would for your kid.

We've only just started solids, but she doesn't seem to have actually consumed anything and I think we might just back off until we have this figured out.
post #4 of 15
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Thanks for the reply!

First, when I got shots it was in the late 80's; I was in 2nd-3rd grades. My parents were searching for a reason I was having migraines and coughing all night long so I was allergy tested. They said there were two types of wheat allergies - a respiratory one and an intestinal one, the latter not being treatable and the former being treatable with shots to "up" my tolerance. So they took me off wheat for 2 years and instead gave me a shot every Thursday for those 2 whole, very long, years. And then they let me eat wheat again. I don't cough all night long anymore... but I do still have migraines. Go figure.
Have you tried going off the wheat again to see if it's still the culprit for the migraines?

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Anyway, that makes total sense that I could limit stuff one or two at a time and wouldn't have to go completely without a non-veg protein source right away. I've been a veg my whole life, never eaten meat, so that would be a HUGE change for me. Hopefully I won't have to go there, but I see how you would for your kid.
I didn't mean that you could only take one or two out at a time. I meant after you take out the first two, if you're not at baseline, take out an ADDITIONAL food, then an ADDITIONAL food. Because if she's intolerant to milk, gluten, and eggs, and you only do one at a time, you'll never know that because you'll never see all of her symptoms disappear. I kept taking out (nightshades, then legumes, then chocolate, then....) until I got to baseline. Then I rechecked each food to see which were the culprits. My DD2 had a lot of foods. So it did take a few months to figure them all out. While you're doing this, you may find your migraine triggers too!

And I read The Magnesium Miracle recently and there's a whole chapter on migraines and magnesium deficiency in case you want to look into that for yourself.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
I hear ya on how to take the food out, guess my reply wasn't clear. I just meant that hopefully I'll get a baseline before all my non-veg sources are out. Wishful thinking?

I haven't gone wheat-free again, never thought to actually. Interestingly, since being pg I haven't really had a migraine, just a few headaches, so I haven't been thinking about it. Guess it *will* be a good opportunity to see if I can find my triggers!
post #6 of 15
Going off the big common ones that my kids had (dairy, soy, gluten, corn)opened my eyes to my own food intolerances -- a good side effect!
post #7 of 15

In the same boat

hello,

I too am veg, my son is 2 and wakes every hour or more every night. I'm just about to start a modified elimination diet and was wondering much of what you are wondering about - and hoping not to need to eat meat either. I just wanted to post to say hi and thought maybe you would be interested in emailing together since it sounds like we might be doing the same thing at the same time. The difference being my 2 year old is very attached to solids already - but he still bf's very very frequently (1-3 hours during the day, every hour at night).

Here is to hoping that we both get to stay veg and help our little ones through this.
post #8 of 15
I would also seriously consider nutrient deficiencies, and I'd start by looking at B12. Being deficient in that can set off a whole cascade of things that can be treated as food sensitivities, but that are easier to treat (imo) by adding the right nutrients.

http://www.detoxpuzzle.com/b12.php
www.eatingcultures.com
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Yuck, first ever green watery shmelly poo this morning!

Guess I'm gonna start this thing.

WhoMe - my Dh just asked this morning if it could be deficiencies and if I was supposed to be taking supplements. I'll check out your links when DD naps.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 

update

So I've been off dairy for 4 weeks now and DD's eczema is completely gone. Her night waking, however, has not improved. We've had 2 amazingly good nights this past week where she only woke up 4 times, but the average for a 10 hr span of sleep is still 10-13 wakings.

My new question is should I move on to the next food to eliminate in the hopes that it's something else waking her up? Is night waking alone a sufficient reason to continue the ED?
post #11 of 15
At our house night wakening was lessened by eliminating wheat.

Pat
post #12 of 15
That's awesome that her eczema cleared up. And yes, night waking that many times (been there!) seems worth trialing a few more things out to see if it helps.

Are you food journaling? Is there things you DIDN'T eat the days she had good nights? The relationship isn't always that clear, but it might give you some clues.
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
I was journaling and then spaced for a while. I need to start again, thanks for the reminder! Off to figure out which one to cut out next...
post #14 of 15
Based on your history - I would think gluten should go next.

I know we got better without dairy and then even better without gluten.

Good Luck!
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
Yeah, that's what I've decided. Gluten is getting cut out and hopefully we'll get some sleep!
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