Here it comes. The vaccine for high blood pressure.

[Scattershoot]

http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...BrandChannel=0

A common virus may be a major cause of high blood pressure, researchers said on Thursday in a finding that may bring new approach to treating a condition that affects an estimated 1 billion people worldwide.

Since the CMV is found pretty much everywhere, it was only a matter of time before they tried to really make some money off it (they tried really hard with AIDS for a while). This is another fascinating example of virus hunters, paid for by the pharmaceutical industry, using a whole lot of "may", "might", "could be", "we believe", "it is thought", "it is possible", "perhaps" and other "we don't know, but we are sure" words to add another shot to the list. Here comes the "research."

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...BrandChannel=0



This is another fascinating example of virus hunters, paid for by the pharmaceutical industry, using a whole lot of "may", "might", "could be", "we believe", "it is thought", "it is possible", "perhaps" and other "we don't know, but we are sure" words to add another shot to the list. Here comes the "research."

There is no definitive proof viruses cause "disease" or even that they actually exist.

[Sileree]

I may need this because all of these new stupid vaccines are annoying me and raising my bp.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by uccomama

There is no definitive proof viruses cause "disease" or even that they actually exist.

This is a fascinating point. I come across this time and again in my reading. I mentioned the CMV because it is agreed upon in scientific circles that it is pretty much everywhere, but man-made global warming is agreed upon too by many scientists, except for the 9000 Phd's who signed the petition stating it was a fraud. We don't hear about them much.

Have you read the history of the polio "virus" in regards to this? I was first turned on to all this back in the mid 90's when Duesberg's book came out. Did you follow Mullis's search for the AIDS "virus." Or the ramifications of his PCR development in his own thoughts?

[amnesiac]

I think that their existence is pretty well established but when/how/whether they cause certain disease processes isn't always. This is the first time I've heard of CMV specifically being linked to CVD but I suppose that since inflammation in general is then any infection could potentially be. Particularly those that tend to have the potential for chronic/reactive states (like the herpes family). I know that there have been/are studies on CMV vaccines but I wasn't aware of any intended for the purpose of CVD prevention. I'd sure keep an eye on adjuvants in them though.

[ammiga]

What do CMV and CVD stand for?

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by amnesiac

I think that their existence is pretty well established but when/how/whether they cause certain disease processes isn't always.

Actually it isn't.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

Have you read the history of the polio "virus" in regards to this? I was first turned on to all this back in the mid 90's when Duesberg's book came out. Did you follow Mullis's search for the AIDS "virus." Or the ramifications of his PCR development in his own thoughts?

I do know about the history of the polio virus. I am currently reading Virus Mania by Torsten Engelbrect and Claus Koehnlein and it has a chapter on the polio "virus". It also goes into the history of "HIV". And later in the book it discusses H5N1 and HPV, but I haven't gotten there yet.

[amnesiac]

Originally Posted by ammiga

What do CMV and CVD stand for?

CMV= cytomegalovirus
CVD= cardiovascular disease

[luminesce]

Originally Posted by uccomama

Actually it isn't.

Yes, it is. We can now even see them in 3-D.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/science/13mri.html

[ericswifey27]

Originally Posted by Sileree

I may need this because all of these new stupid vaccines are annoying me and raising my bp.

ha ha you read my mind

[vegasgrl]

And when combined with a fatty diet, CMV may also cause hardening of the arteries, a major risk factor for heart attacks, strokes, and kidney disease, they said.

So we'll spend a gazillion dollars and shoot up billions of people with whatever Big Pharma wants to put in the vaccine, but we won't make McDonald's, et al., illegal. I don't get it.

But wait, yes I do. The fast food industry has enough money to pay off big government, because society keeps paying them over and over and over again to serve the food substitutes that are killing us all. And good God, just TRY and take away fast food from the uneducated masses, the large majority of whom I'm guessing happen to be dutiful vaccinators. Government never told 'em fast food was gonna kill 'em, but if they give their kids these shots, everything will be alright...

I think I may have had my last Big Mac. I'm finally starting to get it.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by serenitii

Yes, it is. We can now even see them in 3-D.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/science/13mri.html

That is far from proof, that could be an image of anything, because scientists haven't actually isolated the tobacco virus or any virus for that matter. There is no study to date that indisputably shows that viruses have been proven to exist. This requires purification, isolation and definition of biochemical properties plus electron micrographs and this hasn't been done.

[ccohenou]

http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/mmi/stannard/emimages.html

Biochemical properties of viruses are very extensively studied and described. I'm not sure what you're on about.

[lalaland42]

Originally Posted by uccomama

That is far from proof, that could be an image of anything, because scientists haven't actually isolated the tobacco virus or any virus for that matter. There is no study to date that indisputably shows that viruses have been proven to exist. This requires purification, isolation and definition of biochemical properties plus electron micrographs and this hasn't been done.

They have managed to sequence the DNA of some viruses.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...b3f9ba2289cc16

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../310207a0.html

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by ccohenou

http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/mmi/stannard/emimages.html

Biochemical properties of viruses are very extensively studied and described. I'm not sure what you're on about.

Nope, those photographs prove nothing. I repeat there have been NO studies which provide evidence of viruses through purification, isolation and definition of biochemical properties. If you don't believe me, ask the CDC for copies of such studies and see what you get ------ zilch, nada, nothing.

To those posting photos, you are showing me cells that are supposed to contain viruses, they are NOT isolated viruses.

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[ccohenou]

Originally Posted by uccomama

Nope, those photographs prove nothing. I repeat there have been NO studies which provide evidence of viruses through purification, isolation and definition of biochemical properties. If you don't believe me, ask the CDC for copies of such studies and see what you get ------ zilch, nada, nothing.

To those posting photos, you are showing me cells that are supposed to contain viruses, they are NOT isolated viruses.

What would you be looking for in terms of isolation? What biochemical properties do you believe have never been defined for any virus?

[angie7]