Methinks the culprit is salicylates... What do I do? - Page 3

[Aletheia]

Yeah, we think the dairy is IgE- it showed up on the skin test, for one thing-- he has a contact allergy to it, and ingestion causes GI upset and respiratory issues.

Just a note... I went and checked the hydrocortisone cream we use whenever his rash appears... and guess what the first inactive ingredient is? Aloe.

As for the coconut oil-- yeah, I saw that, and am so sad. We've been trying to do a bit of a Traditional Foods diet in our attempts to cope with our many dietary restrictions and find more ways to get fat into our 24 pound almost 3 year old. Alas.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by Aletheia

Yeah, we think the dairy is IgE- it showed up on the skin test, for one thing-- he has a contact allergy to it, and ingestion causes GI upset and respiratory issues.

Just a note... I went and checked the hydrocortisone cream we use whenever his rash appears... and guess what the first inactive ingredient is? Aloe.

As for the coconut oil-- yeah, I saw that, and am so sad. We've been trying to do a bit of a Traditional Foods diet in our attempts to cope with our many dietary restrictions and find more ways to get fat into our 24 pound almost 3 year old. Alas.

I hear you on the skin stuff, it really threw me for a loop to realize they could absorb a ton of sals through their skin. I use lovely earth friendly, low chemical stuff - and it's all loaded with aloe and herbal essences and... I don't use much of it in DS except sunscreen, but I use lots of it for me, which he then gets in my bm. The good news, I guess, is that it is an easy way to reduce their sals load without "depriving" them!

I'm a TF girl as well, and I was loving coconut oil, but DS definitely reacts to it. And I used to use a ton of olive oil, but that's out now too. We can do ghee, but if you are IgE for dairy, that's probably not a good idea. Can you do eggs or peanuts (sorry, I can't keep everyone's allergies straight!)? Those are two of our high fat foods... Will he eat fish?

And I've learned to worry about health, not weight - my DD is healthy, happy, and just crossing 30lbs at 5yo. DS has lots of issues cropping up and he's almost 30lbs at 2yo.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

No kidding. One of the worst is externally applied aloe vera. I used that stuff straight all the time after sun exposure. Sigh indeed.

Hmmm... another sensitivity explained! I used to think I was completely crazy thinking I noticed reactions DS had to aloe and olive oil (and coconut!) Now it makes total sense.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Hmmm... another sensitivity explained! I used to think I was completely crazy thinking I noticed reactions DS had to aloe and olive oil (and coconut!) Now it makes total sense.

Nuts, are we all aloe using??? . Glad it explained one of those little mysteries for you, Jane! And a big thank you - your info way up thread totally helped set us on the right path for getting DS out of sals overload.

[JaneS]

Spectrum Natural Palm oil has been very helpful, it is low sal. Did I say that earlier? We used a lot for cooking when DS was dairy free and as a skin cream it works great too!

Also duck fat, cook a duck in crockpot and it generates a lot of fat. I also love the beef lard from US Wellness Meats, it makes amazing french fries. If he can do eggs, stuff him with as much as you can. Ditto shellfish and fish eggs. We were ordering salmon roe from Vital Choice for a while, expensive but worth it nutritionally. I would not do ghee in your instance, only if an intolerance is present.

I think there is an old dairy free thread in Dental about healing cavities with dairy free. Not that you have cavities but it was doing DF from a traditional foods perspective... might have other ideas.

Keep the faith. Dairy allergies are more commonly "outgrown", unlike others such as nut or sesame.

[mamafish9]

I did a search for plants high in salicylates a while back:

birch, wintergreen, willow, violets, meadowsweet, cottonwood, poplar, black haw, cramp bark, black coshosh, Indian pipe, chickory, crab apple, balsam, balm of gilead, aspen, at least, probably more

Those are all problems as ingredients in lotions, extracts, essences, medicinal herb treatments, teas, etc.

Today I discovered another one . Lavender. I made lavender muffins and DS loved them. Now I discover lavender is a member of the mint family, which is pretty much guaranteed to be high in sals (and given the reaction we're having, there's not much doubt). Apparently you can breathe in lots of sals just from lavender in the freaking AIR.

Sigh.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Apparently you can breathe in lots of sals just from lavender in the freaking AIR.

Wah?????!!!!! I never thought of that.
I love my lavendar oil, it makes such a yummy smelling relaxing bedroom!! (with other herbs too)

Geez Louise what now... pear oil, banana oil? As if there was such a thing. We are so freakin' sick of pears and bananas in this low sal house! :

That's it. I need a solution to this and I need it NOW.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JaneS

That's it. I need a solution to this and I need it NOW.

Molybdenum (sulfation), fish oil (inflammatory responses) and calcium d-glucarate + probiotics (glucuronidation)?

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Wah?????!!!!! I never thought of that.
I love my lavendar oil, it makes such a yummy smelling relaxing bedroom!! (with other herbs too)

Geez Louise what now... pear oil, banana oil? As if there was such a thing. We are so freakin' sick of pears and bananas in this low sal house! :

That's it. I need a solution to this and I need it NOW.

I hear you. Canned pears are not real food!!! We got our CSA box this week, and it had two pints each of glorious, just picked cherries and strawberries. I will just say that apparently me eating 4 cherries was excessive . They are my favorite fruit in the universe. Canned pears are just not a substitute!

And I'm very sorry about the lavender. It wasn't on most of the lists I checked, but I eventually did find it - and I figure a reacting DS is about all the evidence I need. The breathing it threw me, though. I'm not a big fan of lavender, but I guess my mint essential oils need to go bye-bye...

Originally Posted by whoMe

Molybdenum (sulfation), fish oil (inflammatory responses) and calcium d-glucarate + probiotics (glucuronidation)?

DS' fancy new brainchild vites and minerals have molybdenum and calcium d-glucarate. And we are trialing raw goat's milk kefir for the probiotics. I'll work on fish oil after I get him used to all the vitamins I'm squirting into him. So how long do we need to do this until JaneS' NOW! happens .

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

DS' fancy new brainchild vites and minerals have molybdenum and calcium d-glucarate. And we are trialing raw goat's milk kefir for the probiotics. I'll work on fish oil after I get him used to all the vitamins I'm squirting into him. So how long do we need to do this until JaneS' NOW! happens .

cool vitamins! I think I induced a Sal sensitivity in me and dd by supping lots of folate, and so depleting Mo. I was getting unexplained adrenal symptoms, and dd was getting the red cheeks and I forget what else. I caught it quickly. Within a couple days of 150-300mcg Mo for me, things were better. Dd ate 2-3 of the tabs in the first week before she decided it wasn't fun anymore. (each tab is 150mcg) The red cheeks went away immediately, and the eczema faded the same week iirc. We didn't change our sal intake at all.

There's a PDF in the prostaglandin thread where the researcher (friedmann) fed 1800mg EPA in the for of fish oil and blocked the uticaria and asthma. That might have more specifics. (sorry, no link)

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by whoMe

cool vitamins! I think I induced a Sal sensitivity in me and dd by supping lots of folate, and so depleting Mo. I was getting unexplained adrenal symptoms, and dd was getting the red cheeks and I forget what else. I caught it quickly. Within a couple days of 150-300mcg Mo for me, things were better. Dd ate 2-3 of the tabs in the first week before she decided it wasn't fun anymore. (each tab is 150mcg) The red cheeks went away immediately, and the eczema faded the same week iirc. We didn't change our sal intake at all.

There's a PDF in the rostaglandin thread where the researcher (friedmann) fed 1800mg EPA in the for of fish oil and blocked the uticaria and asthma. That might have more specifics. (sorry, no link)

The vitamins and minerals are low sals, which is really difficult to find in a non-capsule. Also in what appear to be highly bioavailable formats, and hopefully balanced so I don't accidentally create more imbalances for DS! He's been on them for two weeks now, and DS is eating lentils a lot, but so far no big change in sals sensitivity. However, I think we have more issues than Mo depletion going on, so I expect it will take a while!

As for fish oil, while I understand its benefits, I'm not entirely convinced it sat well for DS, so I want to wait until we're a little more stable before trialing it again.