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post #101 of 211
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Originally Posted by AnnaNova View Post
whats astounding though is that i have friends who will drive for an hour (!!!!) just to go to walmart superstore... agh...
We don't have a walmart here but I have friends who will drive 2+ hours to shop at walmart :
post #102 of 211
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They built a "green" building and recycle/compost their waste. However, I worked for this business, their employees are treated very, very badly. I am still owed thousands of dollars that I don't know if I will ever see ( and it's not like I was making that much in the first place). I will never go in that place again but everyone else in this town still goes and they all put a gold star on their sticker chart for supporting a "good" business
I know what you mean. There is a mom and pop toy store here in town and while I really want to support them, instead of going to a Toys R Us or Target, they are just so rude and unfriendly in there.

They follow you around to the point of frustration, where you just want to leave and they posts all kinds of rude signs around the store. "If you touch it, put it back," and "No food or drink. This means YOU!" There are more, but I can't think of them right now. It's just not a welcoming atmosphere and the family that runs it always seems so miserable.

A lot of people talk about how rude this family is but still shop there b/c we like the idea of it.
post #103 of 211
I too have had the thought that my not shopping at Wal-Mart is not going to make a difference, but I prefer not to shop there because the stores, IMO, are gross.

Instead of boycotting companies, I prefer to shop or spend my money with companies that reflect the values in which I believe. For example, I have no qualms with AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc, but I chose to signup for wireless service with Credo Mobile. Credo makes a donation on my behalf to the an organization that supports social change. I also received three coupons for a free pint of Ben and Jerry's!
post #104 of 211
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Originally Posted by 2xy View Post
In addition to many of the big ones already covered (Wal-Mart, Nestle, etc.), I won't shop anywhere that uses religious symbols/wording as part of their logo or business name. I'm into inclusiveness.
I agree with this and won't eat at TGI Fridays because they have started using "God" in place of "Goodness" for the "G" in their name in their advertising. I'm not a terribly religious person but I do believe in respecting religion and the entity that people choose to worship. While I can't put my finger on the exact reason this bothers I just know it doesn't feel right to me.
post #105 of 211
Regarding Burt's Bees and changing ingredients...Since the buyout, which was a while ago now, that have changed the ingredients on the Apricot Oil at least 2 times. It went from being something I was very comfortable using and would pay a lot of $$ for to something I will never touch again.

Anyway, I don't really do boycotts but I do have preferences for where I shop when I am able to do so. It is really easier to say I like XYZ about this store than it is to run down a list of places whose practices I can't stand - it would get pretty long.
post #106 of 211
Walmart and Nestle, for obvious reasons.
McDonalds because they market to kids.
Bottled water unless I'm abroad (it's a scam and an environmental nightmare).
Toys R Us- totally promotes rampant consumerism and is grossly overstimulating for me and my kiddos.

I also don't shop at Mormon owned businesses because I fundamentally disagree with the church's stance on feminism and homosexuality and don't want any of my money going towards the church (because they tithe, it will).
post #107 of 211
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Originally Posted by PaigeC View Post
I loved the local book stores but they are all gone now with competing B&N and Borders. I buy most of my books from Amazon.com now. Anything evil there? I buy LOTS of books - I'm a librarian/bibliophile.

I haven't read through the thread yet but I just read an interesting article about Amazon:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026675_DR...Amazoncom.html
post #108 of 211
hmmm....ok here's a few off the top of my head

Starbucks - too pricey, annoying attitude
MacDonald's- Have you seen the 4 year old cheeseburger on Youtube? that's why.
Dairy Queen- Ads make men look like complete idiots.
Canadian Tire- More 'idiot man ads' (This really bugs me, most of the men I know are stong, intelligent guys, good Dads, can fix/build anything and treat the women in their lives well, so I'm really bothered by this 'down with men' attitude that I see in ads. Could you even imagine the outcry if the roles were reversed??)
Toys R Us - I just find it disgustingly excessive
Babies R Us - Same reason, the excess repulses me. Babies have been around, and thrived, forever without the aid of battery operated exersaucers, bouncers, highchairs etc...
Tim Hortons - because it's cult like, all these people packing sugary coffee and fat filled donuts into their gullets while saying they'll only buy organic and love their healthy lifestyle.....unfortunately most of Canada is under the TH's wicked spell and it's a very small minority that can see the truth. Plus, on a more personal note, my child is frequently late from school because our highway, yes highway is backed up half a mile in either direction with the addict's waiting for the drive through!!
Anything Disney!! I abhor Disney. (we're a Disney free home : ) Oh we went once and DS got lost in the massive crowd. It was his 4'th birthday. He was gone for 50 minutes. And what did the guards say? Oh nothing bad happens here, he probably just wandered off. It was horrible.
Boston Pizza - Lots of hype for lots of crap.
Old Navy, Gap
Walmart is sometimes a nessesary evil, but I've never bought clothes there. Mainly just diapers and groceries (at the Super Centers I found those items cheaper than the grocery stores)
I also stay away from the big brand names, unless it's a super sale, sticking to the store brand items instead. Almost all of our clothes are second hand, as are our toys, baby gear, bikes etc. And we buy our meat from the local farmers, same with our veggies. (our big grocery stores make enough money off us in grocery items)
That's it...for now : )
post #109 of 211

I like this thread.

There are so many places we refuse to do business with:
a good number of chain restaurants
wal mart (if we can help it)
I won't go to an OB/Gyn if I can help it (I prefer midwives).
babies R us...I won't go unless I can't find the item I need anywhere else.

We buy most of our LOs clothing/toys used at kid2kid. And if I could find clothing that fit me at good will, I'd at least buy jeans there.

We hate McDonalds, Burger King, and most other fast food places and prefer mom and pop cafes and bakeries.

If it were practical, we would love to do all our shopping at a farmers market, but you never know what you will find there, and there are no farmers markets near our home. We'd have to do quite a bit of driving to get to one.

The problem with places like wal mart, target, HEB is that our whole neighborhood is totally dependent on them. there really are no other options for us where we live. There ARE NO mom and pop places or farmers markets close by.

Bummer.
post #110 of 211
I try to really think through purchases and buy things used when possible but I do have moments of weaknss when I buy things from retail establishments. I do like costco. Not their overseas practices but how they tak care of their employees and the CEO doesn't take advantage and makes a reasonable wage.

I honesty don't know how to stop the cycle. We have imperialist ways and pay dirt cheap for resources and the third world countris that provide those resources pay because of it. We use force both covertly and overtly when the resource obtainment becomes threatened. I try to live sustainably but it is hard with sprawl everywhere. Just about any national chain is a part of it. I hate it but not too many peope even listen to me or care or I guess just feel helpless too.
post #111 of 211
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Originally Posted by kiara7 View Post
No Kellogg's - circ. issues.
What do you mean by "circ issues"? I couldn't find any besides the fact that the co-founder was the infamous John Harvey Kellogg who started the whole circ mess. The only dirt I found on them was accusations of false advertising (through those iconic Frosted Mini-Wheats commercials).

BTW, I boycott (or try to boycott):
Nestlé - for obvious reasons

Microsoft - for obvious reasons

Walmart - for obvious reasons

Sony - for invasive DRM practices and action to stop importation of video games for their hardware

4Kids Entertainment - for their "destroy and rebuild" approach to adapting licensed foreign TV franchises; also for taking the jobs away from the remaining voice actors for the Sonic the Hedgehog game series after the 2005 death of Deem Bristow (which they may have had a part in)

SEGA (Service Games) - for conspiring with 4Kids and refusing to listen to fans' demands for restoration; also for pulling the Love and Berry franchise for no clear reason besides slumping sales and possible copyright infringement by Mattel

Burger King - for reasons I have posted in other threads across MDC (selling Nestlé products and pulling the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" card on a 6-month-old infant)

Viz Communications - for issues similar to 4Kids', only spanning a wider range of products

Abercrombie & Fitch - for a wide array of offenses, including but not limited to racism, sexism and oversexualization of EVERYONE (especially children)

Most pharmaceutical companies - for obvious reasons

Gorton's - for direct connections to the Japanese whaling industry

Payless - for ripping off designers' products and selling them at suspicious low prices (I'd start wondering what goes into those shoes and accessories and who makes them and where)

Proctor & Gamble - for obvious reasons

L'Oreal - for poor-quality products as well as animal testing

Olive Garden - for an incident described in the Lactivism forum involving a nursing mother being forced to cover up

Red Lobster - same as Olive Garden

FUNimation Entertainment (now owned by Navarre Corporation) - same as 4Kids and Viz, plus founder and CEO Gen Fukunaga is an overgrown spoiled brat who flaunts his connections to Toei Animation and mocks us lowly hard-working people

Nintendo (I'm REALLY on the fence here; please don't mock me ) - for the 2007 death of Jennifer Strange

I'll add more when I can think of them.
post #112 of 211
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Originally Posted by Turquesa View Post
I boycott Wal-Mart for the aforementioned reasons but am also really put off by the anti-Walmart movement. I think it's a product of a self-righteous bourgeois Left (of which I've been accused of being a part that wouldn't shop there anyway. I'll know the movement is serious when they target a box store that is a greater sacrifice to boycott. How about Borders Books? They trample on independent bookstores and have a history of unfair labor practices.
I agree here. It is rather elitist to ignore those that really have no other option than working/shopping at Walmart. It's an easy and popular target. Kudos to those who don't have to shop there, or have better alternatives, but people who have to shop there shouldn't be looked down upon.

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Originally Posted by KekoneR View Post
The people I know who shop there have learned to set the bar too low in terms of product performance and durability - they get sucked in by a few "cheap prices" then like crack addicts they have to keep going back, they loose all sense of how long appliance and clothes and things should last and come to "need" that low price because they replace products WAY too often.
Regardless, I cannot afford $30 for a laundry hamper no way no how. I'll buy one at Walmart for $7 and it hasn't worn out yet. I'm just saying that if you don't have the money for a quality product, then it doesn't really matter if it's a quality product or not, or if Walmart's is poor quality. If you don't have the extra money, you just don't have it.

I try very hard not to shop at Walmart, but sometimes I have to. Sometimes I have to buy a new bike for DD1 (have tried used ones on craigslist, or free ones off of freecycle, but DD rides her bike literally 14 hours a day in the summer and they just don't last beyond a month or two) and there are no local bike stores that have childrens' bikes for under $100, so I'm not taking business away from local stores. They don't want my business. Sure, a $100 bike may last for 10 years, but she's going to outgrow it within 2 years or less, so why would I want a $100 bike that my kid can't ride, and since I spent $100 on it, I won't have the money to buy her a bike that actually fits her for another 10 years. She'll be 14 years old riding a $100 12inch bike. Sure a Walmart bike may last 2 years, but that's as long as I need it for. And I'll pay $30 for it.

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Originally Posted by Contrariety View Post
I don't buy diamonds, no matter where they are mined. Even if they are certified conflict free, I'm not so sure that the environmental cost is worth the price of a bit of sparkle.
I don't either, whether the diamond is conflict-free or not. Buying any diamond drives up the demand for all diamonds, including blood diamonds. Additionally, diamonds are actually worth less than cubic zirconia, it's just that the diamond czars carefully control how many diamonds enter the market each year. I'm no dummy...Plus, well, diamonds are ugly. So that's an easy one.

I also boycott all Unilever products (of which there are a TON) because they buy fish from the Faroe Islands, the people of which kill thousands of whales every year just for the pure joy of it.

I try not to shop at Whole Foods, because really, they're just like Walmart. They also make 3 times the profit percentage that Walmart does. Nothing like cashing in on a fad with artificially high prices. Unfortunately, for certain things (we have food allergies) I have to shop there about once a year. For one or two items only, though. I am also very wary of any company with such a carefully crafted public image. And I think it's kind of gross that they brag about how sustainable they are. Like, how many resources were used to make the 10foot-by-15 foot placard that extols the virtue of your sustainability? I don't like braggarts.

We don't eat fast food, but that's not really a boycott for me. The food is just nasty.

We buy shade-grown fair-trade coffee as much as our budget allows, but we don't necessarily boycott other kinds.

Nestle, of course...

I have a repulsion for Abercrombie and Fitch, not that I can afford (or am young enough to) shop there. They use homo-erotic advertising to appeal to a largely homophobic demographic. That's just wrong.

I won't shop at any grocery store that won't fill our prescriptions. DH is a 100% permanently disabled Vietnam Veteran, so I am really offended when they don't take our insurance (it's a government health insurance specifically for the dependents of disabled veterans). It's particularly offensive because we live in a "Christian" military town. Don't get me started...:
post #113 of 211
Currently, I don't really boycott any businesses because it seems pointless, and I think it sort if feeds into rampant consumerism in a sort of roundabout way. However, I am thinking about not going back to Whole Foods again. The CEO recently wrote an op-ed piece about health care reform in which he said some really offensive things IMO like if your not healthy it's your own fault (paraphrasing of course ). And he opened it with a quote from Margaret Thatcher, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money” . He also pulled that sneaky stunt awhile back pretending to be someone else online disparaging a company he wanted to take over in hopes the price would go down . At least at Walmart you know what you are getting into and they aren't pretending to be some uber progressive company when all they really care about is money. I don't think me boycotting will do any good, but I least I won't feel like I need a shower after I go shopping.
post #114 of 211
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post #115 of 211
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Originally Posted by ramama View Post
I try not to shop at Whole Foods, because really, they're just like Walmart. They also make 3 times the profit percentage that Walmart does. Nothing like cashing in on a fad with artificially high prices. Unfortunately, for certain things (we have food allergies) I have to shop there about once a year. For one or two items only, though. I am also very wary of any company with such a carefully crafted public image. And I think it's kind of gross that they brag about how sustainable they are. Like, how many resources were used to make the 10foot-by-15 foot placard that extols the virtue of your sustainability? I don't like braggarts.
I just went back and read through this thread after I answered and I have to say this pretty much sums up how I have been feeling about Whole Food lately. The CEO thing just was like the cherry on the cake.
post #116 of 211
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Originally Posted by riverscout View Post
I just went back and read through this thread after I answered and I have to say this pretty much sums up how I have been feeling about Whole Food lately. The CEO thing just was like the cherry on the cake.
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not to mention the fact that they don't even build sustainably. during the build time, if they decide they want something different they just tear down and start over without recycling materials or even using recycled materials...
post #117 of 211
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Originally Posted by riverscout View Post
...pretending to be some uber progressive company when all they really care about is money. I don't think me boycotting will do any good, but I least I won't feel like I need a shower after I go shopping.
I'm with you on the shower thing. But really, ALL of these places, no matter how eco-friendly, diverse, politically-supportive-of-your-views-whatever-they-may-be, are only in it for the money. They're not in business to promote women's rights or to save the whales and oh yeah, sell you and orange while they're at it. Their first purpose is to make a profit on what they sell. It's how they go about doing that, how they treat the people and communities they employ and serve, and what they do with that profit is what drives my decision to shop there or not.
post #118 of 211
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Originally Posted by swd12422 View Post
I'm with you on the shower thing. But really, ALL of these places, no matter how eco-friendly, diverse, politically-supportive-of-your-views-whatever-they-may-be, are only in it for the money. They're not in business to promote women's rights or to save the whales and oh yeah, sell you and orange while they're at it. Their first purpose is to make a profit on what they sell. It's how they go about doing that, how they treat the people and communities they employ and serve, and what they do with that profit is what drives my decision to shop there or not.
Oh I agree that for the most part the first order of business is to make money, and I have no problems with that.
post #119 of 211
GNC, Holland & Barrett, BioForce, Heath & Heather... (Same company)

They are awful to their employees (I know worked for them twice... once in the US and another in the UK). Only care about $$$$ and well $$$$.

I was in a training meeting in Glasgow and the training instructor asked us why they were in business. A man raised his hand and said 'to make money.' Fair enough, everybody wants a profit.
So the instructor asked us if anyone else had any ideas. A woman raised her hand and said 'To help people.'
Instructor said "NO! We are here to make money!"

We had a script we had to go through with our customers and we were told no customer is to leave without buying 4 products.

Ever wonder why they always push a goldcard at GNC, magazines at Holland & Barrett? That's because they threaten to fire you if you don't sell a certain percentage of them... lol
I could go on. It really is an awful company.
post #120 of 211
Walmart: labor practices, censorship and overall unpleasant shopping experience

Fry's Electronics: supplies are forced to except less then their invoiced prices (I work for a supplier). They don't negotiate for a lower price, they just won't pay the amount on the invoice

Home Depot: just because DH works at Lowe's
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