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post #81 of 211
subbing-great thread!
post #82 of 211
I think we should be able to not go to a store for whatever reason we see fit, and I know that one poster said she did not go to stores/companies with any religious symbolism, but most of the symbol issues have been with Christian Ofishes, etc. I dunno, I just feel like its unfair...the signs don't say "Christians Only" though I can see how someone might see that as an implied message. But if someone came on here and said "I don't support stores with rainbow stickers/stars of david/whatever other "minority" symbol" then that person may be flamed to death!!! Its just their expression of faith... for some people it is super strong. And let me reiterate that I still totally feel people are ok for not going there if that makes them uncomfortable, I guess I just feel like if there is a small locally owned store that treated their employees well [and most of the fish bearing businesses are small, locally owned] I would not boycott them. In full disclosure, yes I am aChristian, but I consider myself to be a progressive one, as in I believe in truly loving one another, and Im woudl totally visit the aforementioned small local store if it had rainbows or pentacles or whatever plastered all over it

Eh. that was not as eloquent as i would have liked. carry on....
post #83 of 211
Great points, Sara!
post #84 of 211
I live in North Vancouver BC. I do not have a car. Most of my shopping is local. Local sometimes means my local store has stuff that is imported. I do not shop at at Walmart. The reasons are all stated above and though as one poster noted, Walmart does not care if I shop there or not, that is fine. Most of what I have as power is where I put my money. They do not get any of my small amount of money.
I do not shop any fast food restaurant, ever.
Oh wait, I guess you count Starbuks as fast food. I shop there rarely- usually when I am stuck out at a melt down time and I succumb to the need for a decaf, soy mocha fix. Usually it is the small local coffee house with the organic grown practice product.
I do not shop at London drugs because I was refused a bathroom when my two year old needed to pee. I will not shop Book Ware House for the same reason. I will not shop a local art store because they always "offer" advice regarding the perceived lack in my parenting, and they think I am not keeping my daughter in hand. Most who know me know I do not let her run amok in stores. I do not shop in one of the baby product stores because every time I have been in there i got a creepy feeling, and the last time I was in there I was given extremely poor to rude customer service.

I am also aware of what some posters noted about fair trade and other things. It gets down to doing the best that you can with out going insane.
post #85 of 211
I don't shop at Walmart, Starbucks, etc. But I have some very mixed ideas about them that I can't sort out. I don't like "big consumerism." I try to keep things simple and DEFNITELY prefer to buy locally. I agree with the complaints of slave-wages, unfair working conditions, and poor treatment of employees that I hear about with a lot of the big chains. And I agree that those things need to end. I certainly don't want to support a company that indulges in those things for profit (or any reason).

BUT... look at how many people they employ! I never thought about that when I lived in a major metropolitan area. Now that I'm in a smaller town (not tiny, but not a city), I can see how so many local people are able to stay in their hometown and make a living at these stores. If it weren't for WallyWorld, lots of retirees would be on the streets, or at least far less comfortable. I'd love to see the big boxes go away, but where would all these people work? The local coffee house I go to had to reduce their hours of operation over the winter b/c they couldn't pay their employees. At Christmas time! If those people worked at Starbuck's, that wouldn't have happened. (Yes, I know they closed lots of stores, but not in my town, and I'm talking kinda specifically and kinda generally here...)

So how do I reconcile that?
post #86 of 211
Does anyone else ever feel..stuck?

If I want to avoid big box stores and only buy local groceries, where would I go? The farmer's market is great but it's not year round and they only sell produce, not things like toothpaste. We have Meijer, a big chain. Kroger, another big chain. And of course we have Walmart. There is also a Whole Foods. There are no local family owned grocery stores anywhere!

I have a similar issue with clothing. I do go to thrift stores and consignment sales, but adult clothing is seriously lacking at our goodwill stores. (Those are the only thrift stores we have.) Occasionally I will have a good find, but honestly most of the clothes are outdated and fugly! Or they are worn and stained. Where else is there to shop but the same big chains? We buy a lot of clothes at Khols or Target.

I have noticed that Tractor Supply has run out a lot of family owned local feed stores in my area of the state. Their animal feed is low quality and more expensive. There is one local feed store one town over from me, and I always shop there. I love their friendly, intelligent staff and their freshly ground feed. It makes me wonder what it must have been like to be able to shop at a small local grocery store.

I feel like the issue is a larger problem in our government, our culture, and our economy. Boycotting Walmart won't do much, though it does make sense that you would avoid that store for personal reasons. I have found that there are very few things in Walmart that I really need to go there for. Ours is crowded and dirty, and it doesn't carry most of the groceries I would buy in the first place. But in a small town where I used to live, there is literally no where else within an hour to buy toilet paper. So what would you do? Waste time and gas (bad for the environment too!) to drive far away to stock up at another store, or just suck it up and shop at Wally World?

I don't boycott anything specific. Instead I try to buy local when available, avoid MIC when I can, buy organic when I can (though I will choose local over organic), and support any family businesses I can find. I don't buy things with HFCS aside from occasional treats. I look for food products with whole ingredients rather than chemicals and additives. It's difficult to boycott when you have limited options, but it's not too hard to find good products, usually.
post #87 of 211
I don't boycott any stores, for one simple reason, the people that are working there. I see a young mom, trying to make ends meet. Maybe it is Walmart, of
starbucks, no I do not agree with their policies or where they get their merchandise. In this economy, some people have no choice but to work at these stores. But if it makes a difference for a family trying to pay their rent and feeding their children, I will shop at the big , icky chain stores. So I ask you what is the solution?
post #88 of 211
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I don't boycott any stores, for one simple reason, the people that are working there. I see a young mom, trying to make ends meet. Maybe it is Walmart, of
starbucks, no I do not agree with their policies or where they get their merchandise. In this economy, some people have no choice but to work at these stores. But if it makes a difference for a family trying to pay their rent and feeding their children, I will shop at the big , icky chain stores. So I ask you what is the solution?
I have thought from this angel before and it really does seem impossible. I'd love to hear some thoughts on it.
post #89 of 211
I totally agree with Pepper. We have Fred Meyer (Kroger), Safeway (which has higher prices most of the time than FM), WalMart, Sears (which has little selection and non-existent customer service), Old Navy, Barnes and Noble, Lowes, Home Depot, a very small natural store that has very little food and is mostly herbs...

We do have a great local bookstore that takes used books and we go there as often as we can. We'll go to Barnes and Noble and I'll make a mental list of books to look for used at the other place. We have a local homemade ice cream place that just rocks but we don't go there often because it is pretty expensive for a dish of ice cream. We have the farmer's market in the summer but tomatoes there are up to $6/lb and we can't spend that when they're under $2/lb. at Fred Meyer. We grow a large garden in the summer so we buy very few veggies in the summer.

But what do you do? I can't even buy from the good places online because the shipping to AK is atrocious most of the time or they just flat don't ship here (which is ridiculous).

Jenn
post #90 of 211
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I live in Texas and see a lot of this. I, too, am turned off by restaurants and physicians feeling the need to post religious fish symbols next to their business signs. It seems to scream, "We are good, Christian people. Give us your business!" Since when has being a Christian or not being a Christian had anything to do with how food tastes or how good a pediatrician is at his/her job?
Locally, there is an annual directory printed and handed out for free, called "The Shepherd's Guide." It lists all the local businesses in every category which are "Christian," including everything from dentists to pet shops to hairdressers. It annoys me to think that some categories of Christians only want to hire a landscaper who belongs to the same kind of church. It makes me want to avoid those businesses, to tell the truth, but instead I just ignore it.
post #91 of 211
Let me remind you all that there is no debate in Activism. So, if you disagree with someone's boycott/practices....you need to just scroll on by. If you feel there is a valid counter cause, submit your own thread.

Thanks.
post #92 of 211
Not really many places I boycott I live in NYC, and Shop at a trade fair so most of my stuff is trade fair plus it's owned by a Palestinian, so I get my Halal food their and I know the money goes to a good cause( Charities that give aid to Palestine), I'm not one for boycotting coke and all the others that support Israel because it doesn't really do anything, and honestly everything here supports Israel from govt to walmart to Nestle, but I do boycott a few things I don't buy Israeli Olive oil or Hummus because they cut in on the Palestinians wages, plus the whole collective punishment of Uprooting many hundred year old Palestinian Olive trees. I also don't buy nor do I generally shop at stores which sell Chinese made Palestinian scarfs, partially because people died for the right to wear it be free in their own land and it is something too deep to be turned purple, green, rainbow whatever for 16 year old it girls to wear. But also because it is killing the local industry in Palestine yet another industry in Palestine of the few remaining that a disappearing. I read the times and Not the post the both rarely have anything positive to say however the Times is not anywhere near as inflammatory as the post. I don't buy nike although didn't much before when they Put Allah on a Shoe and I was offended even if they didn't intend to. But like I don't really boycott some of the crazier things. But I do admit I shop at wal-mart sometimes : . I don't know I'm not really an active boy cotter although, I stopped buying as much french food once they banned Hijab, but more than that there were some strongly worded letters.
post #93 of 211
I only go to Walmart if it's the only choice. For instance, it was the only place to shop during college in the small town I lived in.

Why? My mother used to work there and they screwed her over with workman's comp after on OTJ injury. She had needless surgeries, ended up on too much medication (could have killed her), and saw quack doc after quack doc because that's all they would pay for. After 10+ years they decided to try to settle (after selling her case to someone else) and she basically told them to screw themselves.
I HATE HATE HATE Walmart.


That's my big one. I try to buy US products whenever I can. Honestly though, I'm finding it hard to be picky when you're on a tight budget.
post #94 of 211
Ergo. I won't buy an Ergo because I think they make life very difficult for WAHM's selling SSC's. I also think they discourage new innovations by trying to be the only SSC out there.
post #95 of 211
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post #96 of 211
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Ergo. I won't buy an Ergo because I think they make life very difficult for WAHM's selling SSC's. I also think they discourage new innovations by trying to be the only SSC out there.

What is an SSC?
post #97 of 211
Ugh! I am drowning in this thread. It's so depressing. It seems to me that you can find dirt on just about any corporation there is.

I think the answer for me is to just live simply and consume less.

But I do avoid chain stores / restaurants / coffee shops etc because I think they're such a blight on a community
post #98 of 211
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I was thinking about this the other day. The US is a consumer nation. We don't make much here, we just have everything brought in from other countries.

Clothing is made elsewhere, electronics are made elsewhere, cars are made elsewhere, and if we do make something here, we get the parts from somewhere else....we need to start making things ourselves or figure out something we do better than everyone else because we keep shipping all our manufacturing off to other, cheaper places and giving our money to everyone else.

Gee, I wonder why our economy is bad?

We used to be good at farming, and the government paid farmers to not grow food!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070100962.html

Things are so screwed up, and our government has allowed it, imo, at every turn. The American people allowed it, because we never protest when these things are OK'd, we're so busy blaming Wal-mart we don't see what's really going on.

Big business could not do these things if big government didn't make the rules that allowed them to do it in the first place. They get big tax breaks for putting welfare mothers back to work, even though those welfare mothers all require state sponsored health insurance that costs the taxpayers. They get huge tax breaks because the government writes the tax code.

Who allowed this? We did.

So who is villian? Wal-mart? The government? Or us?
This is exactly what I've been saying to friends and relatives for years! We are a nation of service, all we do is service each other. Hardly anyone actually makes a product for sale, we just help each other buy! I think it is absolutely our own fault (as a collective, not anyone in particular )! Because the generation before me welcomes walmart with open arms, I have no choice but to support the demon that killed all the local businesses. In my town the only options (come winter when farmers' markets close) are walmart or homeland. I have to drive 15+ miles to get to a locally owned health food store, and their produce section is puny. It sucks, but like you said we did this to ourselves.
post #99 of 211
I started with the standards, Nestle, McDonalds, Walmart, etc... But now there are so many places that I won't buy from that I couldn't list them all.

Now I won't buy at any store that has a local alternative. For example I use the local lumber yard, NOT home depot.

No chocolate or coffee that is not fair trade, at the least.

No fast food, period. Local restaurants only and the ones that I frequent use local ingredients.

Clothes are tricky. In general I just don't buy them. There is a local store that makes organic clothing and I buy from them when they have their annual sale, otherwise I can't afford it.


I also agree that you can dig up dirt on every business. Everyone has left some customer unhappy or insulted. There is a local restaurant in my town that is a place people feel great about supporting. They use almost all local and 100% organic ingredients. They built a "green" building and recycle/compost their waste. However, I worked for this business, their employees are treated very, very badly. I am still owed thousands of dollars that I don't know if I will ever see ( and it's not like I was making that much in the first place). I will never go in that place again but everyone else in this town still goes and they all put a gold star on their sticker chart for supporting a "good" business

I know I can't win, but I won't give up trying to support practices that I believe in
post #100 of 211
ive been reading this thread for a while... i have a lot of mixed feelings and thought about where to shop or not to shop, i dont think there is simply enough space
i was just gonna say this: there have been remarks about how useless boycotting the big chains actually is, but it is not always so!
i live in santa fe, nm, and my husband was telling me that a number of years ago walmart was going to build a superstore here, but because of local activism they didnt. i didnt live here then and i dont know all the details, but there was a big group of activists that included of course average people and then local lawyers and business owners, and the superstore never got built!
there is still regular walmart here, but i still consider it kinda amazing...
whats astounding though is that i have friends who will drive for an hour (!!!!) just to go to walmart superstore... agh...
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