My grandson is getting cired tomorrow =(

[JessicaTX]

and there is nothing I can do about it=( I've tried talking to her, and she appeared to listen, but now I'm not allowed to go near her or the baby if I'm going to mention circumsizing, he's supposed to come home from the NICU on tuesday, and will be circed tomorrow night...well I guess that's tonight..i'm up late agonizing over his perfect little body being put through that after the trauma he's already endured. *cry*

Someone please wave their magic wand and make her listen to reason.

[proudmomof4]

I am very sorry you have to go through this. Who is "she", DD or DIL?
From what you are saying, you have done what you could - you have offered information. As much as probably most of us here would like that: circumcision is not illegal in the U. S., so the parents are "not doing anything wrong" (I know...). I guess you will just have to let it go for this child and keep offering information. Your words might fall on fertile soil next time.

[Viola]

I'm sorry.

[Night_Nurse]

I'm so sorry. Please don't beat yourself up over it. You offered information and that is all you could do. Maybe the parents might have a last minute change of heart.
Congratulations on your new grandson. While I'm sad to hear he'll probably get circumcised, I'm glad to know he's healthy enough to leave the NICU.

[Quirky]

I'm so sorry. That is one of my worst fears, that one of my children would circ his/her own child. I went through a similar situation with my nephew born early (35 weeks, 5 pounds) and it is agonizing not being able to get through to them and knowing what the poor baby will suffer.

I'm so so so sorry.

[tutucrazy]

naking...
im so sorry. this boy has such a good grandma for trying to protect him. i feel terrible for you and him. poor thing has already had such a rough start and now unnecessary genital surgery. :_( (((big hugs)))

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

That is a huge fear of mine when my kids have kids. I dont know how I would deal with it if either allowed a child of theirs to have that done to them

[LavenderMae]

I am so so sorry. I can imagine how heart broken (and frankly pissed) I would be in the same situation. It really is a worst nightmare scenario for many of us I'm sure

[Night_Nurse]

If it's the child of your oldest son and it's the grandson's mom not wanting to discuss it, maybe you can talk to your son about it. Maybe a last minute plea to him to watch a circ video and research complications might work. If they really want to circ, it can still be done in one week, one month, etc. It doesn't have to be done/decided right now.

[RiverSky]

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[perspective]

Originally Posted by JessicaTX

and there is nothing I can do about it=( I've tried talking to her, and she appeared to listen, but now I'm not allowed to go near her or the baby if I'm going to mention circumsizing, he's supposed to come home from the NICU on tuesday, and will be circed tomorrow night...well I guess that's tonight..i'm up late agonizing over his perfect little body being put through that after the trauma he's already endured. *cry*

Someone please wave their magic wand and make her listen to reason.

I dont know if you have the money. But you could tell them if you dont circumcise him you will pay for part of his college education. Or maybe provide something else you know they could not resist refusing?

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by proudmomof4

circumcision is not illegal in the U.S

Actually it is...it has been for 12 years. The law is just not being enforced.

[philomom]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

Actually it is...it has been for 12 years. The law is just not being enforced.

This is the first I've heard of this... can you show us where this is written down?

[Fyrestorm]

The FGM bill was passed 12 years ago making it illegal to do anything to a girls genitals...that includes all 3 forms of FGM (including just the removal of the foreskin or even using a needle to draw a ritual drop of blood)

The US constitution guarantees equal protection under the law...therefore, it is already illegal to remove a foreskin from a boy since he has that equal protection provided by the FGM laws.

[philomom]

I don't think that is the same at all as having a MGM law on the books.

[Fyrestorm]

That will be decided when the first boy cut up after the law went into effect takes it to court in just a few more years.

But it is constitutionally illegal. The law is the law. Just because boys are not specifically mentioned doesn't change that facts.

[philomom]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

That will be decided when the first boy cut up after the law went into effect takes it to court in just a few more years.

But it is constitutionally illegal. The law is the law. Just because boys are not specifically mentioned doesn't change that facts.

No, I think that's wishful thinking.

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by philomom

No, I think that's wishful thinking.

Can you explain how the constitution is null in this one situation?

[philomom]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

Can you explain how the constitution is null in this one situation?

I just went and did a bunch of googling on this topic and not one article seems to support your claim.

What I did see was folks trying to get the whole FGM bill thrown out... saying that it is unconstitutional to protect one gender and not the other. The FGM bill though, has not been amended to include boys. Therefore, routine male infant circumcision is still legal. Distasteful and harmful yes. Illegal, no.

[Fyrestorm]

Like I said...just because it's not being enforced, does not make equal protection void.

Should it be a gender neutral law just to clear things up? Absolutely!
Is it unconstitutional to just protect girls? Absolutely!

If it's unconstitutional to just protects girls...then it's unconstitutional to NOT protect boys under that same law.

In my classes unconstitutional = illegal

Therefore...either boys are protected or girls shouldn't be.