swine flu: anyone still following it? 1st NY death

[newmum35]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/18/ny...tml?ref=health

From page 2:

At Flushing Hospital Sunday night, Mary S. Meguerditchian, 60, whose husband has been recovering from a stroke on the same floor as Mr. Wiener, said the family had seemed optimistic about Mr. Wiener’s chances on Saturday. But on Sunday Ms. Wiener had told her that a “special vaccination” had been administered to Mr. Wiener, “but it didn’t work,” Ms. Meguerditchian said.

The poor guy died, and his death is going down as "swine flu" - anyone else feel perhaps if they left him alone he might have lived? I can only speculate of course, and it is always "possible" he may have died anyway... but it did strike me as odd that his wife was optimistic about his recovery just the day before he died... then he gets a "vaccination" ... then the next day he is dead.

So, does this mean they already started human experimental trials (with the swine flu vaccine) already? Goes to show you how uneducated (and trusting) people are (about vaccines) if all they remember about the injection was that it was "special" ----- just what was it they injected him with for crying out loud? (probably not her fault, the doctor could have stressed the "special" part and downplayed the rest)

[Viola]

I'm not sure I even get it. If he already had swine flu, how would being vaccinated with more of it help? I wonder it that was just a mistake and the doctor meant something like an antiviral drug.

[gbailey]

A "special" vaccine? Sounds like this poor guy was used as a human lab experiment. That's like administering the varicella vax once a child already has chicken pox.

[Marnica]

I don't think we will ever really know will we?

I believe that often times when someones dies of the flu it is about how the illness was managed and treated, rather than the actual flu or pneumonia or whatever they "died" of.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by newmum35

The poor guy died, and his death is going down as "swine flu" - anyone else feel perhaps if they left him alone he might have lived?

Ancient Chinese proverb: "He who gets to write down cause of death has all the power."

The correlation I always see in these cases where someone dies from "swine flu" or some other rare, strange disease is they all went to the hospital. Hmmm.

I find it interesting that time and again this contagious disease doesn't spread to the people who spend considerable time with the victim.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by gbailey

A "special" vaccine? Sounds like this poor guy was used as a human lab experiment. That's like administering the varicella vax once a child already has chicken pox.

Actually he was

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...treatment.html

One has to wonder if they didn't use this if he would have recovered??

[medusaatemydog]

something like this will be used against a person in court... similiar to what happened to that poor kid being force to undergo chemo... next the doctor will have an experimental treatment like this, they will tell the parents if they don't submit to this experimental treatment... for the good of humankind... the are being medically neglectful to thier child.
I feel bad for this man... he was talked into this and the doctors have a free pass if the guy dies... but it's a scenario like this that will handed to the next generation when mandatory medicine will have it's way ... and we will be forced to partake in these life threatening experimental treatments...not unlike vaccination

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by medusaatemydog

something like this will be used against a person in court... similiar to what happened to that poor kid being force to undergo chemo... next the doctor will have an experimental treatment like this, they will tell the parents if they don't submit to this experimental treatment... for the good of humankind... the are being medically neglectful to thier child.
I feel bad for this man... he was talked into this and the doctors have a free pass if the guy dies... but it's a scenario like this that will handed to the next generation when mandatory medicine will have it's way ... and we will be forced to partake in these life threatening experimental treatments...not unlike vaccination

It may have been experimental and perhaps the pros and cons were not fully explained...we will never know. But he did consent to this treatment. He was able to make that choice

[Hopesmommy]

It was an experimental antiviral, not a vaccine. I think his wife is just a little confused. At least, that's what I'm reading.

[Hopesmommy]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Actually he was

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...treatment.html

One has to wonder if they didn't use this if he would have recovered??

That's weird. Hmm.

[k9sarchik]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Actually he was

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...treatment.html

One has to wonder if they didn't use this if he would have recovered??

WTF? This is weird. I did read that he also had an under lying condition as well. But they are not stating what that condition was.

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by Marnica

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...treatment.html

All I have to say is WOW!! I guess they have more up their sleeve than just wanting to make money off the vaccine (that is supposedly in development)
That must have been some salesmans' pitch!!

[luminesce]

Originally Posted by k9sarchik

WTF? This is weird. I did read that he also had an under lying condition as well. But they are not stating what that condition was.

One news story said he had high blood pressure, had previously been treated for gout and was a little overweight but that his doctors said none of those things made him more likely to have complications.

[treemom2]

I have to admit, I haven't been worried about it or even really thinking about it until yesterday. When I took my DD to her Kumon they had hand sanitizer out and everyone who came in the door had to use it (they even had a teacher stationed by the door to make sure everyone used it). The head teacher explained that I guess in just the last week there have been 120 new cases in Japan (where we live). I'm still not too worried. . .I guess

[medusaatemydog]

Originally Posted by Marnica

It may have been experimental and perhaps the pros and cons were not fully explained...we will never know. But he did consent to this treatment. He was able to make that choice

very true, but it is sad that this ended his life. I'm sure that this man didn't think he would die from it.

and they are telling people he died from swine flu, when there is a good possibility it was the 'novel' treatment he recieved.

i am sitting here watching the news... they now have a vaccine for brain cancer... i find that very disturbing that they will come out with a vaccine for anything... as if all our problems can be solved with an injection, this whole idea is so unrealistic and it's scary because people cling to this idea out of fear, much like this guy jumped at the 'novel' treatment for swine flu.

[carriebft]

his underlying condition was gout.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar..._to_swine_flu/