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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I had posted about my health issues in this thread a week or so ago. http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1084635
So, I made the 45 minute trip to the health store and got magnesium, thyroid activator from Nature's Sunshine, and hi-lipase enzyme also by Nature's Sunshine. I bought some L. Reutri for DD1, and it came to $85. I could cry right now. I can't continue to supplement myself at that price for very long. I definitely can't afford a doctor's visit now. They offered bloodwork there by an RN who is also an ND for $150, but then you have to buy the supplements she suggests. I could cry my eyes out. I'm getting to where any kind of stress just sends me off the wall with outrage, I'm irritable, and tired. My diet is better than it has ever been, and otherwise I'm feeling great.
Can I heal my body of this problem? How long will I need supplements and/or medication if it comes to that?
post #2 of 17
Without knowing what symptoms you are having beyond "outrage, I'm irritable, and tired", thyroid issues- "labs ok", (heart palpitations, iirc from another thread and excessive weight loss and exercise), I could give a short or LONG version of a "To Do" list, lol.

Basically, our emotions are chemical in nature, to a great degree. Our thoughts effect our body chemistry. So, we can change our emotions by changing our thoughts, in simplistic terms. However, our chemistry impacts our thoughts (ruminating due to low dopamine, low serotonin, etc.). It is a bit of a vicious cycle, in some aspects, because as we aren't feeling well, we don't eat well, and then we don't sleep well---> so we don't feel well, so we don't eat well...

Although, what I've been learning about liver detox and micronutrients in whole foods has been fascinating. Here is a terrific diagram of chemical "Pathways to Happiness and Sleep" (Serotonin and Melatonin). http://www.understand-andcure-anxiet...Melatonin.html

It all comes back to SLEEP! There are nutrient deficiencies which interfere with nutrient absorption (insufficient stomach acid) and thus inadequate sleep. The nutrient deficiencies are cumulative and exacerbated with multiple pregnancies and extended nursing. Baby always gets what it needs first. Mama just gets more and more depleted nutritionally.

1. The EASIEST most nutrient dense food to ADD is homemade fresh green juice/smoothies a couple of times a day. This provides all of the listed nutrients: zinc, B1, B3, B5, B6, Folate, Iron, Calcium, Magnesium, Vit C, etc. and complete amino acids to produce protein. This site, "Got Greens?" has easy recipes. http://gotgreensrevolution.com/ Basically, you add any fruit and a handful of fresh greens to the blender and some water. Drink up. Do this daily and in two weeks, you'll feel amazing!!

2. A couple of other easy things to add are some homemade kefir for the probiotic benefits. This helps to rebalance the gut microbials (immune system). You just need a tablespoon a day to get significant benefits.

3. Another quick and nutrient dense food is raw nuts, seeds and dried fruits and berries.

The most important nuts are TWO Brazil nuts a day (for Selenium-critical for many chemical reactions in the body), Pumpkin seeds, Walnuts, Almonds, Pecans, Sunflower seeds (in that order of importance, essentially). I purchase them at Costco (or Earth Fare, Home Economist) and mix up about 10 pounds and put it big ziplock bags (lasts for a month or two). Then I just take them along when we leave the house. I never have to eat out suddenly when I'm hungry; and the essential fatty acids, and microminerals and nutrients are very important to replenishing your cellular and neurochemical functions. I buy dried goji berries, mulberries, gooseberries (at Home Economist) and dried blueberries, cranberries (Costco), coconut flakes (EF), and Giradelli 60% chocolate chips (Harris Teeter) for the mix too.

4. Another addition is 1 Tablespoon of Bubbies naturally fermented (refrigerated) sauerkraut each day for the probiotics (different ones) and the cabbage, which helps produce stomach acid which helps with digestion and absorption of nutrients.

5. Another addition is squeeze some fresh lemon juice in your water all day long, or whenever you think about it. The short version is, this helps correct acid-base balance of the body.

6. And consume either Beets, Broccoli, Brown Rice, Carrots, Eggs, Garlic, Spinach, Tomatoes, Wheatgerm, Melons, Peppers, Cabbage, Onions, Papaya, Avocado, Mushrooms, Asparagus every day for the liver detox benefits. An alternative to include is Milk Thistle 'tea' infusions- made from whole leaves/roots.

7. Foods to improve dopamine/serotonin/mood: chicken, turkey, fish, peanuts, almonds, avocados, bananas, yogurt, lima beans, pumpkin seeds, shellfish, eggs, chocolate, wheat germ, nutritional yeast, cabbage, cauliflower, beans, lentils, dates, papaya, strawberries, cherries, hemp seed. Include as possible.

8. Choose mineral water, green tea, and yogurt with "Live Active Cultures" when you can. Flax seed and kelp are other things we could add too.

9. Eggs, sea salt, honey (1 tablespoon raw, local), coconut oil (1 tablespoon raw, virgin), liver (1 ounce, grass-fed), Cod liver oil (1/4 teaspoon fermented), salmon (3 ounces wild Alaskan-Costco) are other things to include as you are able.

*****Also, Epsom salt baths are the most healing thing you could do, if you do NOTHING else. An Epsom salt bath daily would be the number one thing to consider. The Magnesium Sulfate helps digestion, absorption, detox pathways, neurotransmitters, sleep, immune system, all through skin absorption!! *****

If you are having issues with headaches, yeast, candida, have mercury fillings, let me know.

Total cost of above foods about $4 per day.




If you want the LONGER version...

Start here about detox pathways: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...bstacle-course

And here are a few informal videos about detox pathways: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/video/video

and here about evaluating digestion and stomach acid (beet "pink pee" test): http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/the-beet-test

This thread about Healing the Gut with Food: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...-gut-with-food

Nutrient Dense Foods: http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...nt-dense-foods

Foods to Help Phase I and Phase II Detoxification:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...4160Comment655

check out www.eatingcultures.com to try and guess on some of your detox pathways, and figure out which nutrients will be important for you. And www.detoxpuzzle.com to identify some of your detox pathways, nutrient deficiencies/needs.





Pat
post #3 of 17
Check out the Thyroid Thread: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=493320

And the Adrenal Fatigue Thread: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=685848

And the Gut Healing Thread: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=434071

My (limited) understanding is that the blood test for thyroid function is not as accurate for *bio-available* levels of thyroid function. See this old post of mine with more info: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&postcount=984

The recommendation is to have *saliva* testing done for progesterone estrogen, testosterone, cortisol, AND thyroid.

The hormones are interconnected. Basically, the thyroid, progesterone, estrogen, testosterone and cortisol levels all need to be evaluated, as they change over the course of day. Additionally, thyroid antibodies, and Free T3 and Free T4 are relevant variables.

Also, evening primrose and magnesium help with hormonal balance. Gut health is important to nutrient absorption which impacts hormone production and weight gain, new studies show.

It is all interconnected.

This post has more information about recommended lab work, nutritional issues, iodine supplementation, etc. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...9&postcount=14


HTH, Pat
post #4 of 17
Do you qualify for medicaid or reduced free care through a county health nurse or anything like that? I ask because I think given your symptoms and your family history you need at least a proper thyroid panel. Then if you need a med. you can look into prescription programs or some way to cover the cost. I know you're uninsured but it seems like this is one test you simply need to have.

Magnesium--can you get magnesium rich foods--maybe growing greens for example? Black beans have a lot of magnesium as well I believe.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
I will look into the links you gave and take those recommendations. As far as diet, I believe I'm doing well with what I am eating. I've looked into my diet since December when I got horribly sick with some kind of stomach illness and couldn't eat right for about 2 months.
I have been craving nuts and nut butters with increased intensity since starting traditional foods eating. I could eat a whole canister of Brazil Nuts and not think twice about it. I could do the sauerkraut for sure and am trying to learn to ferment veggies on my own, but my pickles didn't turn out. I don't have a place to get Bubbies in off grid Kentucky. I'm surprise the store I got the supplements at is even open.
I was on Medicaid until 8 weeks postpartum then they take it. There might be a reduced pay clinic around. I'm going to make some calls tomorrow, but I don't even know if I can afford that after buying these supplements. That's a huge chunk of change for us.
As far as sleep, I've been trying to function on about 7 hours of interrupted sleep. We co-sleep 4 to a queen bed, and it can get rough. I've been very fatigued. I am a writer and am doing that because I work from home.
I listed the symptoms on the other thread and if you look at both the magnesium deficiency symptoms and the thyroid symptoms I have most of them. The only thing different is instead of weight gain, I have weight loss, but it is explainable weight loss... not weird.
post #6 of 17
I'm sure you will find your path. Do caution about the Brazil nuts, more than TWO a day consistently could cause excess Selenium toxicity.


ETA: I thought I had linked a source regarding selenium nutrition, deficiency and toxicity, and sources. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...trient&dbid=95

Pat
post #7 of 17
Hair loss is a symptom of selenium toxicity as is nervous system damage.
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocente...ex.html#safety But you'd have to be eating the nuts over time. She's right, though, in that only six nuts are above the upper tolerable intake level for selenium so a whole container would be concerning.
Quote:
In an area of China with a high prevalence of selenosis, toxic effects occurred with increasing frequency when blood selenium concentrations reached a level corresponding to an intake of 850 mcg/day. The Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) of the Institute of Medicine recently set the tolerable upper intake level (UL) for selenium at 400 mcg/day in adults based on the prevention of hair and nail brittleness and loss and early signs of chronic selenium toxicity (15).
Six Brazil nuts are 544 mcg so over that 400 mcg limit.

I hope you get answers and can find a way to get the thyroid panel.
post #8 of 17
Wow, great info!
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the suggestions. I saw the doctor today as I am nauseated now and not wanting to eat much along with a headache that is really aggravating. The first thing he thought of course was pregnancy, but I didn't take a test as I really don't think that is it and it would have been extra. He wanted to do a whole run down of bloodwork which was okay by me. He got the thyroid panel, B12s, and my female hormones, along with one or two other tests that I can't remember right now because I'm walking around in a fog. I'll know Thursday morning what they say.

I don't think I have selenium toxicity as I could eat that many Brazil nuts, but I don't. I eat them in cans of mixed nuts, so probably no more than 4 a day at most... and not everyday... maybe 3-4 days a week.
post #10 of 17
I just posted this in another thread and am copying it to here regarding hypothyroid and selenium supplementation. I believe I may have this same chain of events. I've been eating the Brazil nuts (only two a day, though) and have thinning hair, tendency toward yellow tinted skin when I eat a lot of orange/yellow vegetables. Just started supplementing with kelp for the iodine, last week. Adding more liver and milk thistle for the benefits.

Quote:
What I was just reading yesterday (thanks to Tanya adding 'one more thing to worry about' ), was that with hypothyroid the use of selenium in the absence of correcting the iodine deficiency just leads to worsening thyroid issues. And hypothroid folks can't convert beta carotene (orange foods) to preformed vit A. Therefore, LIVER is an excellent source, plus iodine (kelp) and selenium (liver) together. Along with the B12 (liver), folate (liver and kelp) and magnesium, zinc (liver) and stomach acid, of course.

But, that selenium in the absence of the others doesn't help. And beta carotene in the absence of the others doesn't help.
http://www.ithyroid.com/vitamin_a.htm
http://www.vitasentials.com/a-25.htm
http://www.krispin.com/thyroid.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8475673
http://healthnotes.deliciouslivingma...tentID=1035002
http://www.publix.com/wellness/notes...Hypothyroidism

"Two months of selenium supplementation in people who were deficient in both selenium and iodine was shown to induce a dramatic fall of the already impaired thyroid function in clinically hypothyroid subjects.17 Researchers have suggested that people who are deficient in both selenium and iodine should not take selenium supplements without first receiving iodine or thyroid hormone supplementation.18 "
http://www.medfinds.com/healthnotes....tentID=1035002

Apparently, the "yellow tint" of skin from eating a lot of orange vegetables is a cue about thyroid insufficiency.

Zinc is really important to the thyroid also. http://www.ithyroid.com/zinc.htm

Not sure which deficiency comes first though. This experiment blocked iodine and then the other minerals were found to be low. http://www.springerlink.com/content/b857332n53140k15/ So, supplementing the minerals, in the absence of iodine doesn't sound like the best course of action. Sea vegetables, especially kelp, are nature's richest sources of iodine.

Iodine sources: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...trient&dbid=69

Sea vegetables: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...spice&dbid=135

Recent thread about thyroid issues and supplementation: http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1077629


Did I mention LIVER? http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...spice&dbid=129
Pat
post #11 of 17
Just bumping b/c this is AWESOME--another version of Pat's shortcut to health...LOVE IT!

Quote:
Originally Posted by WuWei
1. The EASIEST most nutrient dense food to ADD is homemade fresh green juice/smoothies a couple of times a day. This provides all of the listed nutrients: zinc, B1, B3, B5, B6, Folate, Iron, Calcium, Magnesium, Vit C, etc. and complete amino acids to produce protein. This site, "Got Greens?" has easy recipes. http://gotgreensrevolution.com/ Basically, you add any fruit and a handful of fresh greens to the blender and some water. Drink up. Do this daily and in two weeks, you'll feel amazing!!

2. A couple of other easy things to add are some homemade kefir for the probiotic benefits. This helps to rebalance the gut microbials (immune system). You just need a tablespoon a day to get significant benefits.

3. Another quick and nutrient dense food is raw nuts, seeds and dried fruits and berries.

The most important nuts are TWO Brazil nuts a day (for Selenium-critical for many chemical reactions in the body), Pumpkin seeds, Walnuts, Almonds, Pecans, Sunflower seeds (in that order of importance, essentially). I purchase them at Costco (or Earth Fare, Home Economist) and mix up about 10 pounds and put it big ziplock bags (lasts for a month or two). Then I just take them along when we leave the house. I never have to eat out suddenly when I'm hungry; and the essential fatty acids, and microminerals and nutrients are very important to replenishing your cellular and neurochemical functions. I buy dried goji berries, mulberries, gooseberries (at Home Economist) and dried blueberries, cranberries (Costco), coconut flakes (EF), and Giradelli 60% chocolate chips (Harris Teeter) for the mix too.

4. Another addition is 1 Tablespoon of Bubbies naturally fermented (refrigerated) sauerkraut each day for the probiotics (different ones) and the cabbage, which helps produce stomach acid which helps with digestion and absorption of nutrients.

5. Another addition is squeeze some fresh lemon juice in your water all day long, or whenever you think about it. The short version is, this helps correct acid-base balance of the body.

6. And consume either Beets, Broccoli, Brown Rice, Carrots, Eggs, Garlic, Spinach, Tomatoes, Wheatgerm, Melons, Peppers, Cabbage, Onions, Papaya, Avocado, Mushrooms, Asparagus every day for the liver detox benefits. An alternative to include is Milk Thistle 'tea' infusions- made from whole leaves/roots.

7. Foods to improve dopamine/serotonin/mood: chicken, turkey, fish, peanuts, almonds, avocados, bananas, yogurt, lima beans, pumpkin seeds, shellfish, eggs, chocolate, wheat germ, nutritional yeast, cabbage, cauliflower, beans, lentils, dates, papaya, strawberries, cherries, hemp seed. Include as possible.

8. Choose mineral water, green tea, and yogurt with "Live Active Cultures" when you can. Flax seed and kelp are other things we could add too.

9. Eggs, sea salt, honey (1 tablespoon raw, local), coconut oil (1 tablespoon raw, virgin), liver (1 ounce, grass-fed), Cod liver oil (1/4 teaspoon fermented), salmon (3 ounces wild Alaskan-Costco) are other things to include as you are able.

*****Also, Epsom salt baths are the most healing thing you could do, if you do NOTHING else. An Epsom salt bath daily would be the number one thing to consider. The Magnesium Sulfate helps digestion, absorption, detox pathways, neurotransmitters, sleep, immune system, all through skin absorption!! *****
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post

1. The EASIEST most nutrient dense food to ADD is homemade fresh green juice/smoothies a couple of times a day. This provides all of the listed nutrients: zinc, B1, B3, B5, B6, Folate, Iron, Calcium, Magnesium, Vit C, etc. and complete amino acids to produce protein. This site, "Got Greens?" has easy recipes. http://gotgreensrevolution.com/ Basically, you add any fruit and a handful of fresh greens to the blender and some water. Drink up. Do this daily and in two weeks, you'll feel amazing!!

2. A couple of other easy things to add are some homemade kefir for the probiotic benefits. This helps to rebalance the gut microbials (immune system). You just need a tablespoon a day to get significant benefits.

3. Another quick and nutrient dense food is raw nuts, seeds and dried fruits and berries.

The most important nuts are TWO Brazil nuts a day (for Selenium-critical for many chemical reactions in the body), Pumpkin seeds, Walnuts, Almonds, Pecans, Sunflower seeds (in that order of importance, essentially). I purchase them at Costco (or Earth Fare, Home Economist) and mix up about 10 pounds and put it big ziplock bags (lasts for a month or two). Then I just take them along when we leave the house. I never have to eat out suddenly when I'm hungry; and the essential fatty acids, and microminerals and nutrients are very important to replenishing your cellular and neurochemical functions. I buy dried goji berries, mulberries, gooseberries (at Home Economist) and dried blueberries, cranberries (Costco), coconut flakes (EF), and Giradelli 60% chocolate chips (Harris Teeter) for the mix too.

4. Another addition is 1 Tablespoon of Bubbies naturally fermented (refrigerated) sauerkraut each day for the probiotics (different ones) and the cabbage, which helps produce stomach acid which helps with digestion and absorption of nutrients.

5. Another addition is squeeze some fresh lemon juice in your water all day long, or whenever you think about it. The short version is, this helps correct acid-base balance of the body.

6. And consume either Beets, Broccoli, Brown Rice, Carrots, Eggs, Garlic, Spinach, Tomatoes, Wheatgerm, Melons, Peppers, Cabbage, Onions, Papaya, Avocado, Mushrooms, Asparagus every day for the liver detox benefits. An alternative to include is Milk Thistle 'tea' infusions- made from whole leaves/roots.

7. Foods to improve dopamine/serotonin/mood: chicken, turkey, fish, peanuts, almonds, avocados, bananas, yogurt, lima beans, pumpkin seeds, shellfish, eggs, chocolate, wheat germ, nutritional yeast, cabbage, cauliflower, beans, lentils, dates, papaya, strawberries, cherries, hemp seed. Include as possible.

8. Choose mineral water, green tea, and yogurt with "Live Active Cultures" when you can. Flax seed and kelp are other things we could add too.

9. Eggs, sea salt, honey (1 tablespoon raw, local), coconut oil (1 tablespoon raw, virgin), liver (1 ounce, grass-fed), Cod liver oil (1/4 teaspoon fermented), salmon (3 ounces wild Alaskan-Costco) are other things to include as you are able.

*****Also, Epsom salt baths are the most healing thing you could do, if you do NOTHING else. An Epsom salt bath daily would be the number one thing to consider. The Magnesium Sulfate helps digestion, absorption, detox pathways, neurotransmitters, sleep, immune system, all through skin absorption!! *****

If you are having issues with headaches, yeast, candida, have mercury fillings, let me know.

Total cost of above foods about $4 per day.

I have some questions here, if you have a minute, Pat.

For one, eating like this would mean a lessened to no need for multivitamins and such, correct?

Next, the nuts and seeds all need to be raw? I'm not sure where to find, or how to prepare raw pumpkin seeds. (love the idea of make your own trail mix).

Also, the "bubbies fermented sauerkraut" could you use your own fermented sauerkraut (I make mine based on the Wild Fermentation recipe).

And once again, the epsom salt baths - those are to be with how much epsom salt? Can they be taken in the AM? I've been told they help you sleep and wondered if it would be not something you could do in the morning without feeling sleepy.

Thanks so much, you're a wealth of information, so I hope you don't mind me picking your brain.
post #13 of 17
I thought lots of raw brocolli, kale, and the like causes goiter in thyroid patients?
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by nichole View Post
I thought lots of raw brocolli, kale, and the like causes goiter in thyroid patients?
blocks absorption of iodine
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
blocks absorption of iodine
That's what I was thinking. In my smoothie I put a whole navel orange with the peel and an avocado with the pit. Lots of vitamin C and magnesium in those. I need lots of magnesium some days. It makes me feel so much calmer. Check out ithyroid.com He explains vitamin deficiencies and thyroid pretty well.

I hope you get good answers from the dr!
post #16 of 17
Subbing to read later!
post #17 of 17

Bumping.

 

Pat

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