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....so, I just received the updated edition of Gaia's Garden and of course I immediately want to throw in the towel on being an attorney and/or babywearing vendor and rush out and convert my suburban yard into a paradise of beauty with food plants interspersed, get certified as a permaculture designer, spread the permaculture gospel throughout New Jersey with a new design business, maybe start a commune, you know, the whole nine yards.

OK, but short of that -- I live in a shady forest! Our house is in an older, well-established neighborhood from the 1950s (ugly split levels, but beautiful trees) and there's HUGE trees all over our property -- maples, pines, an oak or two, even some cypress. I've converted our only sunny patch into a blueberry patch with some raised beds for veggies, but the front and back yards range from partial shade to deep shade.

I mean, trees are good and all, but can you really do a lot of permaculture stuff, interspersing food-producing plants, with lots and lots of big established trees?

I don't much have a point to this post, other than to ask -- has anyone BTDT? I don't want to cut down trees, but I'd also like to be able to put in new plants that are not only decorative but useful, the whole multi-functional thing.

And does anyone have any favorite permaculture websites to recommend?
post #2 of 8
There are lot's of edible forest plants out there. False Salomon's seal, Fiddlehead fern, currents and gooseberries all do well in partial shade. You could look into cultivating "wild" mushrooms. There are lot's of things you can grow, they just might not be traditional garden plants.

http://www.edibleforestgardens.com/
http://fukuokafarmingol.info/
post #3 of 8
I agree with the pp, you wouldn't really be able to do a traditional garden. Most edibles require full sun and you will have competition from tree roots. Also if you raise the soil around certain trees, it will kill them.

The edible forest links look interesting.
post #4 of 8
This isn't specifically permaculture but this family is an awesome inspiration...

Path To Freedom

And their journal/blog.

They produce 6000 lbs of food on 1/10th of an acre!
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Originally Posted by Jenn_M
This isn't specifically permaculture but this family is an awesome inspiration...

Path To Freedom

And their journal/blog.

They produce 6000 lbs of food on 1/10th of an acre!
Why do you taunt me! I live in New Jersey, with really huge trees! I'd have to a) clearcut and b) set up solar collectors/reflectors to be able to garden like them.
post #6 of 8
Can you have some of your trees limbed to open up some partial sun in your yard? We live in the woods and our house is sheltered by multiple trees. People around here usually have the middle of their trees pruned to open up their river views, leaving the very top canopy intact for shade and beauty. If you can move from full to partial shade, it opens up a ton of edible options for you!
post #7 of 8
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Wow, I hadn't thought of that! I will have to look into it!
post #8 of 8
One more idea...in Gaia's garden, there are two resources listed for designing a Forest Garden. One is by Robert Hart, the other is by Phillip someone-or-other. I have the one by Phillip ..., and from what I remember (I haven't looked at it in a few years, because I have no shade trees what-so-ever in my current house), it is useful for finding plants that work in the shade, and coming up with strategies for growing fruit in the shade.
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