Originally Posted by geekgolightly
You didn't mention physical symptoms, you said it was all "mental." There are certainly other physical symptoms than "stress and anxiety." ... Or is that too dismissive?
It's that BPD patients are extremely difficult to treat and it is the rare therapist indeed who is willing to take it on wholeheartedly.
I have wonderful in-laws, both of whom are psychologists and you should hear the crap they say about borderlines. It's horrific. And they do it in front of me! I know they don't see me as one of those patients, as I am for the most part healed, but it's very difficult to hear two wonderful, competent and usually empathic people sit and discuss how awful this patient population is and make fun of the things that they do.
I summarized. I'm definitely not dismissive. Remember, I too had a traumatic childhood, lived for years with a "Borderline Personality" AND I have Bipolar I Disorder. Clearly I'm hitting a nerve... let me see if I can better communicate my
perspective (i.e. I'm not trying to "change your mind" I think the dialogue is interesting) via analogy.
Alcoholism, like Borderline Personality Disorder, is a disease (a dis ease) that is a culmination of psychological & environmental factors & probably a genetic disposition. Treatment requires the alcoholic to feel "their life has become unmanagable" and desire to change. They have physical symptoms of withdrawl and physically compelled to drink. They have to have the will to stop drinking.
It's a rocky road. They might not get sober right away. They might not stay sober. They might have 3 years sobriety under their belts only to slip back into drinking. They must always examine their thoughts from the perspective of an alcoholic. Having an "Addictive Personality" or "Codependant Personality" means they have to be careful in certain situations or they'll act in ways that are detrimental to themselves. Through behavior modification, however, they can move beyond the pain and live whole lives.
In the end it's up to them; not their family, not their sponser, not their doctor. It's not easy, but it's true. How difficult the road will be to recovery depends upon the degree of the trauma, the steps which have already been taken and the will of the individual.
Parkinsons, like Bipolar Disorder, is a neurological disease that causes a mood disorder. Its cause is neurological, probably some gene or genetic mutation. Treatment with medication, theraputic support, sleep, nutrition etc can alleviate symptoms but there is no cure. No amount of will, medication, therapy, sleep, nutrition will make Parkinsons go away. It takes will to survive and live with any degenerative disease (such as Bipolar disorder and Parkinsons), but the will doesn't make the disease go away.
This isn't apples to apples here. The two get confused because they have similar symptoms, but clearly they are completely different animals.
The physical symptoms of Parkinsons are caused by a neurological disease. The physical symptoms of alcoholism are caused by alcoholism.
Do you believe it's possible for situations to have both tragic and humorous qualities? Is it possible for people to have empathy and fustration?
Psychologists are no different from the rest of us except that they listen to the rest of us talk about our problems. You clearly recognize how extremely difficult a "Borderline Personality" is to treat. Can you have empathy with the people who have chosen the occupation to try? I can't imagine. I think Linehan is some kind of saint.
I'm Bipolar & was "borderline" since I was about 9. I've done some pretty outrageous things, and in retrospect most of them were pretty hillarious. I definitely would have laughed at myself behind my back in ADDITION to having empathy.
The man who lives next door to me is a drunk. I feel really bad for him... he's seriously imparied. However, he can also be hillarious. He's simultaneously tragic and humorous. Too bad for him.