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post #21 of 110
Haven't even read the comments, but mild drinking in pregnancy is fine. I read a study (and I wish I could find the link) that showed that they ahve NEVER EVER found an adverse effect from 2-10 drinks a week. Yes, binge drinking is bad, but a sane amount won't do anything.

FAS wasn't even discovered until like 1980.

On top of that Europeans have been drinking almost constantly for as far back as you can remember. Water purification has been a notorious problem in pre-modern European society, and so everyone always drank wine or beer (depending on location) because it was safer.

There's also a huge push in our society to get women to stop drinking, and this has been true at least since the Victorian era, probably even going back to the Puritans. It's a moral panic thing and this is the one scientific reason people have come up with why women shouldn't drink. Then there's the whole women's bodies are public property thing, which I won't get into here.

Also, notice that it's strictly consumption of alcoholic beverages that's a problem, never anything else that contains alcohol. I've never heard one person say a pregnant woman shouldn't use mouth wash (40 proof) or cough syrup. Heck, my midwife has encouraged my use of a couple of tinctures which are made with VODKA. If ANY alcohol was the problem, these would be verboten as well. And, yet, they're not.

So it's a social issue and total b.s. Don't binge drink, but the occasional glass of wine or beer will. not. cause problems.
post #22 of 110
I have a couple of drinks a week a lot of the time and feel fine with this decision. If someone grilled me indignantly on the educated decision I made I would tell them where they could stick it.
post #23 of 110
Not pregnant ... but, I'm from eastern Europe. It's totally normal there to drink while pregnant. I don't mean getting wasted at a bar. I mean a small glass of wine with dinner. Or a small beer after work.

From my culture, drinking while pregnant is no big deal at all. Again, I do NOT mean getting wasted on hard liquor. Every doctor in my country would tell you that it's OK to have a glass of wine here and there while pregnant. Small amounts have never proven to be harmful. And wine has antioxidants. I'm always surprised by the American extremism towards alcohol. No offense meant by this (I actually don't drink at all) ... it just surprises me that the guidelines in America are so darn extreme.
post #24 of 110
the info sheet from the practice I am using says two drinks per week is fine.
post #25 of 110
Yup, I've heard that for awhile now. Basically along the lines that most women don't even realize they are pregnant until a missed period and most will drink something at some point during that and not to fret. I've also heard that once you are buzzed (during pregnancy and nursing) the baby is (sometimes borderline depending on weights and everything of everyone involved) drunk.

That said, most of the "no-no's" in America are because we seem to lack the ability of self control. Most things in MODERATION are just fine during pregnancy. Very few other places are as strict as we (general we) are when it comes to that sort of thing. There is a difference between having a glass of wine/alcohol at an event and getting wasted but once you (again general ) are pregnant it seems a lot of people forget that.
post #26 of 110
"If someone grilled me indignantly on the educated decision I made I would tell them where they could stick it. "

Yeah, my problem is that the only person grilling my is my husband. Who, because HE doesn't like alcohol at all is absolutely convinced that any alcohol ever by anyone in any circumstance is bad and should never ever be done, ever.

Let's just say we're working on this.
post #27 of 110
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Originally Posted by OtherMother'n'Madre View Post
That said, most of the "no-no's" in America are because we seem to lack the ability of self control. l
Maybe, if it's true that Americans lack self-control, it's because of the "no-no's"? I really don't think it helps people to develop judgment and discipline, when everything is rules. (Some of the asinine developments from strict zero tolerance drug policies come to mind.) People are being taught not to think - just to obey.
post #28 of 110
my sister in law is pregnant for the first time and was told by her OB that she could have up to 4 oz of wine a day! i was less shocked that she was told that some wine was OK and more by the audacity of the OB to give her a definite number that was safe, you know? like, instead of giving her a vague "ok occasionally" he had given her a proven statistic or a rule that she could follow and be totally safe..... i just found that really misleading and very suspect!
post #29 of 110
Noboy knows exactly how much or how little alcohol can effect the baby, but no alcohol is proven safe. So, no doctor here is going to say that you can drink while pregnant. It's also looked down on, drinking while pregnant, nobody here does it openly, and hardly anybody does at all, I think that is a good thing that basically nobody does it.
post #30 of 110
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Originally Posted by OtherMother'n'Madre View Post

That said, most of the "no-no's" in America are because we seem to lack the ability of self control.
I actually think most of the no-nos in America are because we are so law-suit happy. Pregnancy is really sticky because whether or not there really is a high risk - the jury will always side with the mom of the injured baby.
post #31 of 110
I drink a glass of wine at least once a week,did so with my other three too.I have high risk pg with early labor and to be honest it helps relax me.I am from Europe though and they are way more laid back there.The only thing that I really limit is Tuna or other mercury fish.Heck I had sushi the other day and it was d-e-l-i-c-i-o-u-s!!!
post #32 of 110
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Originally Posted by PoppyMama View Post
I have a couple of drinks a week a lot of the time and feel fine with this decision. If someone grilled me indignantly on the educated decision I made I would tell them where they could stick it.
I wholeheartedly agree with this!
post #33 of 110
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Originally Posted by Smokering View Post
And "would you give your baby a drink a week?" makes no sense in this context. No, I wouldn't; but I wouldn't give a fetus hot chips either, and I was happily scoffing away on them throughout my pregnancy. I wouldn't give a fetus any kind of food or drink, in fact... it's a fetus.


I have to agree. I had a small drink of alcohol a few times in each pregnancy, and my midwife had no problem with that.
post #34 of 110
my doc wont say it is ok, but i did my own research when preg with DD. i decided that 3-5 glasses of wine a week were ok. no more than 2 a day. i spaced them out. DD is brillaint and very healthy. this time i have had heartburn so wine isnt looking too good. maybe later. but DH's beer tasted so good yesterday i drank some of it. not a whole can or anything, but it tasted so refreshing. ahhh.

i also read that it depends on how much you are used to drinking. someone who drinks regularly before preg can continue to imbibe about 3-5 a week, but someone who usually abstains should keep it to 1-3 a week at most. i dont remember where i read it. maybe shomeone would know. but it makes sense to me that someone who inbibes reg would be better at proccessing it before it gets to baby than someone who abstains. only a very little passes the placental barrier. it is less than when bfing i think. or is that the other way around?
post #35 of 110
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Originally Posted by RunnerDuck View Post
I actually think most of the no-nos in America are because we are so law-suit happy. Pregnancy is really sticky because whether or not there really is a high risk - the jury will always side with the mom of the injured baby.
So true! Makes sense the no-no list is the way it is...gotta cover their backsides from sue happy folk with no sense of moderation.
post #36 of 110
What everyone else said...

I've always heard/understood that an occasional serving of alcohol is fine.
post #37 of 110
I guess everyone else has pretty much covered why it's not a problem and the difference between 1 drink a week and drinking that can lead to FAS. I abstain from alcohol always for religious reasons, and I don't see any problem with women drinking in moderation during pregnancy.

I think what bothers me the most about it is that once women are pregnant, it's like we think they can't make informed decisions, or that every single woman must make the exact same decisions about everything. Or that every single decision we make must be the absolute safest/healthiest/etc., and that our decisions can be judged wrong by people we hardly know who see us do something and decide we're thoughtlessly endangering our babies.
post #38 of 110
I am sometimes just amazed, how strictly people are against smoking and alcohol in pregnancy and then, when it comes for instance to pesticide the pregnant woman shouldn't stress about it.... It's one of these daily life paradoxes, I never truly understood.
post #39 of 110
I want to know who the people are who subject their pregnancies to become a part of these studies to see how many drinks are "OK" to have and how many will lead to FAS. Because if that sort of research hasn't been done, then there is no way I am going to drink during my pregnancy and put my baby at risk.

If I can't wait 9 mos to have a drink of wine, then I would have to worry about myself. lol
I can drink, and I do, when not pregnant, and I have no problems quitting cold turkey when I am pregnant. I owe it to the baby to not pump alcohol into my body. It reaches the baby. I wouldn't just put some wine into a baby bottle and give it to her, so why do it now?
Is there proof that it IS damaging to have 1 glass? What about, is there proof that it ISN'T?

ETA from the March of Dimes website:
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No level of drinking alcohol has been proven safe during pregnancy. According to the U.S. Surgeon General, the patterns of drinking that place a baby at greatest risk for FASDs are binge drinking and drinking seven or more drinks per week (7). However, FASDs can occur in babies of women who drink less.
http://www.marchofdimes.com/professi...14332_1170.asp
post #40 of 110
A couple of glasses of wine of week have been extremely helpful to relax me through all the contractions and pains I have been having.
My SIL who has been a midwife for 20 years advised that I should have wine when too painful or tense.

Honestly? It is the typical way "rules" are made in the US: they assume people are not capable to drink in morederation, so they just forbid all drink.
Like others said, there are no more cases of FAS in Europe than in the US.
Just use common sense.

I hope you did not give your coursin a hard time about her drinking in the party.
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