Kate Hudson...baby too big??? - Page 2

[applejuice]

My point exactly, Greaseball.

Women learn about birth from their mothers.

After over a century of having babies in institutions, most women have no concept of natural birth in their families.

[Ms.Doula]

[QUOTE]Fame and $ can't buy everything;



HAHAHAHAHA!! Applejuice-Your hilarious!!! :LOL :LOL :LOL

ITA as well!! If it is "what my mother went through" it is "Familliar" and therefore "Safe"..... right??? :LOL

NOT!!

Yes, I think that C-sec for ANY other reasone that MEDICALY NESESARRY (and MY definition of this is pretty harsh & narrow) is a CROCK!!!

[eilonwy]

My grandmother was 5'4" and weighed about 115 pounds when she delivered her first child (my uncle). He was 9 lbs, 10 oz, I believe. She didn't tear, and she pushed him out in about 5 minutes after maybe half an hour of labor. After delivery, she went right back to her pre-pregnancy weight of about 94 pounds.

I am 5'1" with a very large frame and had a great deal of difficulty pushing out a 7 lb 7 oz baby. He was actually born with a vacuum thingy. You can't really tell by size of the outside, it has to do with the space in the middle of your pelvis. So while it's unlikely, it is possible that the baby was too big for her to push out. I think that the quickie tummy-tuck is more likely, though. How else do you explain the way celbrity moms don't seem to have a post-partum chubby period like the rest of us?

[Victorian]

[i]And in the same issue, they mentioned Debra Messing's belly is getting big and they speculated her baby would be born sooner than expected. What does one have to do with the other?
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I was watching Ellen the other day, and Debra Messsing was on. She was showing off her beautiful belly, and Ellen asked when she was having the baby. She said that they doctor said that the baby will be done --- (can't remember the date). Ellen said something like "you can just schedule the birth now right" and Debra said no, no, no! Then Ellen asked if it was a boy or a girl and Debra said I don't know, and I don't want to know!

I was like YAAAAA!

[DreamsInDigital]

Schedule the birth?!?!?! Where do people come up with this?

[Ms.Doula]

From OBGYNs of course..... :

(arent they gods afterall???)

[ComaWhite]

I think the "baby is too big" excuse is bull..

[cottonwood]

"You can't really tell by size of the outside, it has to do with the space in the middle of your pelvis."

Unless the pelvis is deformed, it has a lot more to do with the management of the pushing phase. For instance, squatting opens up the pelvic outlet by 30%. Honestly, I would be surprised if Kate Hudson could push out a nine-pound baby, given typical obstetrical management.

[Glittergal]

Last year I caught a 9 lb baby that, quite literally, flew out of my patient, who was a stout 4'10 first time mom. The residents and my CNM instructor on the floor were convinced she wouldn't progress because of her size (lovely, I know). When I examined her (which my instructor had not), she had the roomiest pelvis I have ever felt! I was quite delighted when the baby came right down by himself and she barely pushed to get the little one out. She didn't need even one stitch! Pretty impressive and a great reminder to all those that doubted her ability that women are meant to birth!

[Greaseball]

With typical hospital management, I was unable to push out a 7.5 lb baby, but I know it has nothing to do with my pelvis. I believe at home I can deliver a much larger one with a lot less effort.

Remember, the pelvic ligaments stretch, and the baby's head molds...

[watermamma]

I can handle Kate Hudson having an unnecessary c-birth, but I hate to think of all the women out there reading these articles about celebrities and their "emergency" c-sections for their "gigantic" babies and believing that women are not made to birth babies, but surgeons are.

Unfortunately, celebrities have a huge influence on the general population, and we already know how educated the general public is already about birth. Ugh

[Greaseball]

These "big babies" are getting smaller and smaller. It used to be a sign of health if a baby was 9-10 lbs, now it's considered abnormal and 8 lb babies are "big."

Some doctors even say that for a mom under 5 feet tall, 7 lbs is too big.

[LDSmomma6]

I do know that Kathie Lee Gifford had the liposuction after her daughter was born. I watched the show after she returned (from maternity leave) and she was talking about after the OB was done (can't remember if she had a c/s), then the plastic surgeons came in, and did their work. I was like "wow! must be nice!!" Never really watched her after that, because she made me sick.

I do agree that most OB's put that thought in the mother's head about having a big baby. My friend was expecting #4, and her #3 had been almost 11 pounds. I think her #2 was 10 pounds. Anyway, both babies "got stuck", and had to be forced out with forceps or something. So, when she was going to have #4, the doctor measured the baby with u/s, and said this baby was going to be a whopper, and that she needed to schedule a c/s. She did, baby was born a healthy 8 pounds 6 ounces. :

My mom is 5'4" and weighs 120 at the most when pregnant. She had 7 natural deliveries (and 1 c/s in 1971 due to a stupid doctor, and then really blotched her scar...she should have sued, but it was a military doctor back in 1971. Had 6 naturals afterwards), and her #6 and #8 were both almost 10 pounds! Her smallest baby was #4 and she was 7 pounds 3 ounces! I think I was her next smallest at 7#12.

[Nemmer]

Originally posted by Greaseball
These "big babies" are getting smaller and smaller. It used to be a sign of health if a baby was 9-10 lbs, now it's considered abnormal and 8 lb babies are "big."

I agree! My mom had 5 babies. I was the smallest and I weighed 8 lbs 9 oz. Her youngest was 10 lbs 5 oz. She never had a c-section. And she's only about 5'5" or so, if that. (can't remember her height exactly, lol, but she's not much taller than me!) I remember people commenting on how "big" my sister, the 10 lber was, but the others were just normal!

[Greaseball]

So, when she was going to have #4, the doctor measured the baby with u/s, and said this baby was going to be a whopper, and that she needed to schedule a c/s. She did, baby was born a healthy 8 pounds 6 ounces.

I hear this a lot from moms, but the funny thing is they never seem too upset about it. They don't walk away feeling violated and like their lives were unnecessarily risked. I think it has to do with how all the risks are downplayed.

[crazy_eights]

Originally posted by doulamomvicki
I am going to let everyone in on a secret. When I worked in L&D we had quite a few local celebrity types deliver at our hosp. They would have their ob deliver the baby and then the plastic surgeon would step in to tip, tuck and close. It was all planned. Not one of these moms publically would say they had scheduled c/s for that reason, it was always "the baby was too big" or "I tried but was not progressing" and so on. My guess is that was the real reason for Kate's c/s.

I work L&D as a RN and one of the OB's who did her residency in LA said that all the stars come in for 4 week postpartum visits so they can get cleared for 6 week postpartum liposuction. That scares the heck outta me!

[crazy_eights]

Originally posted by applejuice
:All of you L&D nurses: how often are those scales in the delivery room calibrated?

Do doctors tell you to lie about the weight to gain and/or confirm the "lie" that the baby is too big for a vaginal delivery?

We use digital scales and I don't know how often they are calibrated. No way would a doctor ask a nurse to lie and even if they did, I doubt anyone would go along with it. Too much at risk - an honestly, the relationship between the OB's and nurses is that great. We tend to think that most of them are idiots. Truely. The doctors tend to come up with some idiotic reason to justify the c/sec - like "well, he was too big for YOU!" or "good thing we did this now, the placenta was deteriorating and the cord was around the neck!"

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With all of mine born at home, I know that those tired midwives were not all very careful about being precise with the weight. My youngest was weighed with a fishing scale. In three days at the pediatrician's office, there was a marked difference.

Yeah, my last hb baby weighed 8-12 a week after birth when the fish scale had called him 8-2 at birth. I thought he looked bigger than that and I'm generally a pretty good guess!

[cottonwood]

Tonight when I was in the supermarket check-out I skimmed through an article about Kate. Apparently she "desperately wanted a natural birth."

In the pictures she looked like a normal pregnant woman too, not like most celebrities who remain a size 2 everywhere but their bellies.

[crazy_eights]

Originally posted by blueviolet
Tonight when I was in the supermarket check-out I skimmed through an article about Kate. Apparently she "desperately wanted a natural birth."

I had read earlier that she was planning a waterbirth. That is some drastic change of plans....

[applejuice]

Alittle T

Originally posted by Mom2six
... No way would a doctor ask a nurse to lie and even if they did, I doubt anyone would go along with it. Too much at risk - an honestly, the relationship between the OB's and nurses is that great. We tend to think that most of them are idiots. Truely.

Have you ever seen the 1982 movie "Malpractice" starring Paul Newman? It is about just that; a woman becomes a vegetable at the hands of an experienced OB in a classy hospital after a doctor tells the OB nurse to lie about the hours sinc e the patient ate. She was given gas during labor and aspirated her own vomit. She told them it had been an hour since she ate, but the nurse was told to change the 1 to a 9. The nurse lost her job, but the doctor was still there.

That is as I recall it anyway.