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Lyle update with a couple of questions

post #1 of 8
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Lyle's home and he's doing so well. He's just as sweet as can be, very loving, a great mix of playful and couch potato. I've got a couple of questions for all you "experts". We ended up finding a different house so the mold issue is no longer a problem.

1) Food -- In foster he ate, Mighty Dog canned food mixed with kibble (not sure what kind). I stuck with the might dog and tried different samples of high quality kibble (at least that's how they were described by the people at the "doggie health food store" we went to) -- most of them he sucked off the MD and spit out the kibble, but eventually we discovered that he liked EVO brand red meat small bite kibble (yes, he's picky). Once we had that down I started trying higher quality of canned food and found 2 that he'll eat -- Welluva Steak Frites flavor, and Canidae chicken, fish and something else flavor. He's been getting about 1/2 to 3/4 of a cup of EVO with about 1/5 of a can of one of those two twice a day -- does that sound like a good permanent plan. He's 27 lbs, and about the right weight.

2) Chewing -- the only behavior problem we've had has been chewing on blankets and sheets, and only at night. I can leave him in my son's room all day (with the dog walker coming in the middle) and he'll ignore the blankets, but once we turn off the lights to go to sleep he just settles down and starts chewing -- everything has holes. The one thing that helps is giving him one of these http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...ductId=3200150 at bedtime -- then he chews on that until he's ready to go to sleep, but I worry about him splintering it while we're asleep. The dog walker said he wants our smell, and to give him old Tshirts that we've worn, and just redirect him to those whenever he starts chewing on something -- but wouldn't that confuse him and make him think he can chew our clothes? He will only chew bones and fabric -- he's got a rope chew toy and a doggies stuffed animal he likes. Rubber things like a kong he will not touch.

3) Going outside -- he will not go in the backyard without us, just stands on the porch and stares at the back door. A couple of days ago I left him with DS and a teenage babysitter for 2 hours. I told them not to go outside (not a great neighborhood) but they ran him around so much that he got thirsty and drank a lot -- then he started asking to go out. They kept trying to let him in the backyard, but he'd refuse (because the didn't want to go with him because I told them not to leave the house), when I came home he was desperately waiting at the front door because he had to pee. I don't need to him to spend long periods of time in the backyard, but there are moments when I'd love for him to go out and pee (e.g. late at night, or when we've just come home from the grocery store and I want to unload the groceries before we go out for a walk). Any suggestions on how to train this?

4) Dog park -- we went to the dog park the other day, and he kept trying to hump the other dogs, who were turning and snapping at his ears. He didn't get the message and kept trying, and went back after I pulled him off. His "victims" were all about 3 times his weight which made me very nervous. So, we left. But he loved it there, so I'd like to go back. Any suggestions on how to teach him not to do this?

5) Tail -- he's got an Spitz type tail -- all curled up most of the time, which makes it hard for me to read him sometimes (dog books say -- high tail is aggressive, but it's always high. It doesn't exactly wag). But when we come home after a long walk or other form of exercise, it's droopy and he gets all cuddly. My son swears this means he's "sad" and that we're doing something wrong. He says that he doesn't like what I'm doing to him at this time (which is usually stroking him, scratching behind his ears and telling him he's a good dog). -- but I'm thinking it means "tired", and that if he didn't like being scratched like that he'd walk away. He does walk away from other things he doesn't like -- e.g. he likes tug of war and fetch for about 1/2 an hour and then he's tired and done and will walk away and ignore my son even if he keeps throwing the rope toy. Is the drooping tail something I should be worried about? It usually lasts about 20 minutes and then he's ready to move around again.

Thanks!
post #2 of 8
two quick things...

fill the kong with peanut butter or cheese. don't give him your shirts as it is totally confusing.

the tail thing means he's relaxed not sad. my mom had chows with curled tails like that and they'd only stretch out their tails when they were gettting scratched.
post #3 of 8
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Thanks!

He won't touch peanut butter, cheese, or rubber -- either alone on in combination with each other, so a kong stuffed with those won't work.

I did get him to chew a hollow sterilized bone stuffed with one of the 2 brands of canned dog food he'll eat yesterday, which was a first.

So far I've been offering him his stuffed toys when he starts chewing which seems to work.

Thanks for the tail comment -- he's definitely relaxing, he's gone in the backyard now -- I need to walk him down there, but he'll stay for 4 or 5 minutes after I come back up. He's also happy now to lie on the floor and watch us from a central spot on the first floor, rather than needing to follow us everywhere. The other day I was up later than usual, and he apparently got tired because he went upstairs by himself, lay down next to DS's bed and went to sleep.
post #4 of 8
You can get frozen raw beef marrow bones and he's almost guaranteed to like that. Some people worry about the dogs chipping a tooth on them, but they're not as hard as the sterilized bones you have been giving.

He sounds a lot like our older mutt mix, Seamus. He should be about 27 lbs, too (could lose a few). I think he's a border mix. He's all black, but has a curly tail like you describe. His is usually over his back if he's alert. He does put it down when he's relaxed. He rarely puts it really low, like between his legs. We have had other dogs that do that when they're scared, but Seamus not so much. Lyle's ears and facial expressions and body language will tell you a lot about how he's feeling, too. You don't have to rely solely on the tail.

As for going outside, Seamus doesn't really like to do that w/o us for very long periods either. I think that is just his nature. He will go out and do his business, but he doesn't like to hang outside. He'll check the perimeter and then he's ready to come back in and make sure everything is okay in the house. I imagine Lyle will start to go out when he needs to, but he may just be a people dog and need to be with you guys. Seamus is 10, btw, and we've had him since he was about 8 weeks old, so it's not like Seamus going outside by himself is going to get better with age. He had a buddy dog, Pancho (RIP), from the get go and Pancho would hang outside, but within 5 minutes Seamus would be back barking at the door to come back in. Now we have Poppy, our lab/coonhound 7mo pup, and she will stay outside all day long if the weather is good. She gets a little stir crazy/cabin fevery in the house if she's cooped up too long unless she has a raw beef bone to chew on in which case she will be occupied for hours on end. It doesn't matter to Seamus if he has a dog friend with him outside or not. If there's not a person he's not going to stay out there for an extended period.

Seamus is fairly mellow now, but he likes to be with us or in the house. I took him down to my mom's by myself (DH had the kids) and I left him with her for a few hours. She said he howled for me repeatedly. It was not his house and not his person and things were just not right!

I imagine Lyle is still just adjusting to his new home and his new people. He'll probably start going out more by himself and hopefully the chewing thing will abate. Seamus used to chew up his own beds all the time. We just bought cheap ones and replaced as needed. He doesn't do it anymore, but now we've got Poppy and she will!
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Thanks!

He won't touch peanut butter, cheese, or rubber -- either alone on in combination with each other, so a kong stuffed with those won't work.

I did get him to chew a hollow sterilized bone stuffed with one of the 2 brands of canned dog food he'll eat yesterday, which was a first.

So far I've been offering him his stuffed toys when he starts chewing which seems to work.

Thanks for the tail comment -- he's definitely relaxing, he's gone in the backyard now -- I need to walk him down there, but he'll stay for 4 or 5 minutes after I come back up. He's also happy now to lie on the floor and watch us from a central spot on the first floor, rather than needing to follow us everywhere. The other day I was up later than usual, and he apparently got tired because he went upstairs by himself, lay down next to DS's bed and went to sleep.

nak!!
about the kong... all of ours have loved them.

good idea about walking him into the backyard... my aussie was totally a velcro dog too, she just wanted to be next to me all the time, i used to try and sneak away when she was sleeping because i hated to wake her when i was just going to the bathroom or something

also on the stuffed toys, good idea!

i'm so happy he's working out for you guys!!
post #6 of 8
I'm the crazy cat lady, so I don't have any help for you on the dog front. I just wanted to say that I think you're a fantastic dog mama. And I'm sure that translates into an awesome people mama too. I'm really touched by how much attention you pay to Lyle and his needs and by your desire to help him settle in. I really am happy you found each other.
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As for going outside, Seamus doesn't really like to do that w/o us for very long periods either. I think that is just his nature. He will go out and do his business, but he doesn't like to hang outside. He'll check the perimeter and then he's ready to come back in and make sure everything is okay in the house. I imagine Lyle will start to go out when he needs to, but he may just be a people dog and need to be with you guys. !
I should clarify that I love the fact that he likes to be with us, and definitely want him inside with us, as much as possible. I'm also happy to walk him and have DS take him to the park up the street to play.

So, I don't need him to go outside for long, but I would love to have the option of him peeing in the backyard once in a while. Our routine right now is I get up, take him into the backyard, then come back in, feed him, take a shower while he's eating, and then wake up DS and we all go out for a long walk. This morning we seemed to make progress, in that when I took him down to the yard he actually peed! Up until this point he goes down with me, comes back up with me and then if I leave him outside (which I've done long enough to bring the groceries in, for example, since he tries to run out the front door) he doesn't bark or while or paw the door -- he just sits on the deck and stares at the front door.

BTW, I think I've hit a new level or "Pet Parent Paranoia". I am writing this from across the street from my house because I'm stalking the dog walker. We had a power outage at school and so I got to leave early. I realized that it was dog walker time, so I'm sitting across the street from my house using the wireless and watching. The dog walker went in, and the two of them came out together, walking nicely and seeming happy. I figure I'll stick around and see how long they stay out. Is that crazy?
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As for going outside, Seamus doesn't really like to do that w/o us for very long periods either. I think that is just his nature. He will go out and do his business, but he doesn't like to hang outside. He'll check the perimeter and then he's ready to come back in and make sure everything is okay in the house. I imagine Lyle will start to go out when he needs to, but he may just be a people dog and need to be with you guys. !
I should clarify that I love the fact that he likes to be with us, and definitely want him inside with us, as much as possible. I'm also happy to walk him and have DS take him to the park up the street to play.

So, I don't need him to go outside for long, but I would love to have the option of him peeing in the backyard once in a while. Our routine right now is I get up, take him into the backyard, then come back in, feed him, take a shower while he's eating, and then wake up DS and we all go out for a long walk. This morning we seemed to make progress, in that when I took him down to the yard he actually peed! Up until this point he goes down with me, comes back up with me and then if I leave him outside (which I've done long enough to bring the groceries in, for example, since he tries to run out the front door) he doesn't bark or while or paw the door -- he just sits on the deck and stares at the back door.

BTW, I think I've hit a new level or "Pet Parent Paranoia". I am writing this from across the street from my house because I'm stalking the dog walker. We had a power outage at school and so I got to leave early. I realized that it was dog walker time, so I'm sitting across the street from my house using the wireless and watching. The dog walker went in, and the two of them came out together, walking nicely and seeming happy. I figure I'll stick around and see how long they stay out. Is that crazy?
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