Don't go down without a fight! Make them justify themselves at the highest level!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by mommyrn5 <img title="View Post" class="inlineimg" alt="View Post" border="0">Thanks, Emmeline! Through Google, I found your response to another person with the same question only a couple of weeks ago. Because of the AFIs you posted, I was able to locate a few more AFIs. Everything I read said that dependents have to get whatever vaxes are required for entry into that particular country (Japanese Encephalitis for Japan, for example), but I couldn't find anything anywhere that stated a dependent's vaxes must be up to date in order to get command sponsorship or for the military to purchase the dependent's plane tickets.
I also found, through my research, that this seems to be a common "threat" people are hearing lately. I am beginning to think that this is one of those things like people telling you your kids can't go to school without being vaxed. It isn't true, but people hear it, they believe it, they repeat it. But at the heart of it is a veiled attempt to scare people into vaxing their kids. I also finally spoke with someone at Outbound Assignments at the base. She said that if you get medical clearance, they cut the orders and buy the tickets. Since I went through the medical clearance process last year, I know that dependent's vax records aren't looked at in that process.
Thanks, again, for all the pubs you listed. They were a huge help!
Good. I'm going to save this.
Yes, I've only been hearing stories like this in the past couple of months. One was a Navy spouse who's dh's inbound commander, at a naval base in Italy, was denied (verbally I assume) command sponsorship (thanks for that term; I forgot<img alt="" title="thumbs up" class="inlineimg" border="0">) due to their child's vaccine status and the dh was given another assignment.
So right now I'm thinking a commander can refuse a service member but their is no reg allowing denial of CS to dependents based on their vaccination status, and the service member would have to be given a new assignment.
Right now there is no country a dependent can go to that requires vaccinations for visitors and no SOFA that requires it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~on Apr. 17, 2009 at 10:12 PM
You know, in the two years since my son was born, I've only had one pediatrician (between my two children) question my decision not to vaccinate. Every other one just double checked with me (to confirm what I told the tech) and that was that. The one guy who questioned me was a real douchebag.
I was taking my daughter in who has numerous medical problems (was a preemie & low birth weight baby who probably has cerebral palsy or something similiar). She was gaining weight very slowly at 6 months, and was exclusively breastfed. I couldn't bottle feed or give her solid food because of her problems. He went on for 15 minutes about her weight gain, trying to make me feel bad for never pumping (supposedly that would tell me if I had a low supply, and when I told him pumping bears no reflection on your supply he looked at me like I was an idiot), then tried to make me feel bad for never giving her a bottle (when attempted it activates her severe gag reflex and she pukes everywhere, so why bother when my boobs work just fine) and then acted like I was an idiot when I told him she had sensory issues with her mouth and I couldn't feed her solids quite yet. I then asked him for a referral to a nutritionist, and he told me there wouldn't be a point because she was only breastfed. He said I shouldn't wait past 6 months to introduce solids because it could cause food allergies -WTF!
He then started in on vaccinations. I told him that we were very educated and researched a lot on the matter, and if we DID vaccinate, it wouldn't be until they were older. He then said that vaccines weren't as effective if you waited until they were older!!! I just stared at him and told him our minds were made up and I wasn't going to discuss my reasons with him. He was irritating me for treating me like an idiot and making things up to try to persuade me to go his way. And if he wasn't making them up, then I don't know what research he's reading, because I'd never heard the things he was saying.
I felt like I had to explain that I was an intelligent woman, that just because I'm a SAHM mom, doesn't mean I'm not smart and educated. I graduated from the Air Force Academy, for crying out loud.
I just hate being condescended to. But I know my rights, and for whatever reason, in the experiences I've seen with me and my sister, they tend to not try to push around officers/officers wives as much as enlisted. My sister said they tried fear tactics all the time with her when her DH was enlisted, but never when he was an officer. And having been enlisted and an officer, I've seen that as well.Just don't accept that answer. I really don't believe that they can refuse to PCS you overseas because you or your children aren't vaccinated.If this happened to me, this is the order in which I would take action:
- Contact my DH's chain of command to see if they can work the situation.
- Then make an IG complaint if that didn't work,
- Write to my congressman if that failed, and lastly
- Contact the media.