Ped talking about swine flu vaccine

[mommy2jonah]

I was having a great conversation with a friend yesterday about vaccines. Her daughter has a allergy to eggs that she believes was caused after her 1 yr vaccinations. She has decided to stop vaccinating for now and has found a better ped. Then she told me that the ped wants her to talk to the allergist about getting the a vaccine that is really important even though she has this egg allergy. I asked which vaccine and she said swine flu. I was shocked. I should not have been but I figured that until there was an actual vaccine we would not have to deal with this.
When I told her about the swine flu vaccine in '76 she was shocked and wanted to know more. I really hope that she doesn't do this and I think I may have said enough yesterday to start another conversation with her in the near future.

[Gitti]

Vaccines are a dirty business in every respect. And some doctors are nothing but drug pushers.

[mamakah]

I cringe to think of all the babies and children that will get that shot this fall. :

[Jade's Mom]

Originally Posted by mamakah

I cringe to think of all the babies and children that will get that shot this fall. :

In the 1918 flu pandemic that killed 10s of thousands, the majority of people who died had been vaccinated - their immune systems were compromised.

In Mexico this month, doctors and nurses and other hospital staff that were vaccinated against swine flu died within 6 days!

The best way to protect against swine flu is to protect your immune system. Vaccines do not to that. They weaken it.

[saimeiyu]

What is he peddling as the swine flu vax if everyone "official" says we don't HAVE one?

Nuts!
On the other hand, I have a WBV tomorrow... so we'll see if DD's ped decides to try and scare-monger me into getting a vax. He's usually been pretty good about leaving us alone about it, just makes me sign a "bad mommy" form. I alter it a little bit, sign it, and that's all.

[peainthepod]

Originally Posted by Jade's Mom

In Mexico this month, doctors and nurses and other hospital staff that were vaccinated against swine flu died within 6 days!

Where can I read more about this? I was just ranting to DH about how the vaccinated people in 1918 were among the first to die.

Do you have a link? I would love to pass it on!

[mommy2jonah]

I was also thinking there is not a vaccine yet and we aren't even sure it will come back in the fall. I am sure the vaccine industry will some how spin it to look like the '76 problem has been all fixed.

[Jade's Mom]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

Where can I read more about this? I was just ranting to DH about how the vaccinated people in 1918 were among the first to die.

Do you have a link? I would love to pass it on!

Unfortunately, I don't. I learned it in a training call from the health expert at our company. He had been avidly perusing world news for a training call on swine flu, sorting out the fact from the fiction.

I do have an mp3 of that call, though. If you're interested pm me with your email address and I'll send it to you. It was really interesting. This was about 3 weeks ago, right as the CDC was going from the extreme of "it's a pandemic" to "it's no different than seasonal flu." His take is that it's somewhere in between, we just don't know yet. the 1918 pandemic started really mild like the swine flu, but it went through 4 cycles, each one getting stronger. It was the 4th cycle that killed so many people. The same could happen w/ swine flu. And, b/c it's never been seen in humans before we don't have a natural immunity to it.

Also, it's similar to avian flu, & if they combine there is the potential for it to become very deadly.

So, it's a waiting game. It could turn out to stay mild and just be nothing, or it could become really dangerous in the future.

That being said, he's adamantly against vaccination and feels the best way for us to protect ourselves is to bump up our immunity (he has a long list of natural things to do).

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Jade's Mom

In the 1918 flu pandemic that killed 10s of thousands, the majority of people who died had been vaccinated - their immune systems were compromised.

In Mexico this month, doctors and nurses and other hospital staff that were vaccinated against swine flu died within 6 days!

The best way to protect against swine flu is to protect your immune system. Vaccines do not to that. They weaken it.

Since there is no swine flu vaccine yet how can those people in Mexico have been vaccinated against swine flu??
While I agree that vaxes weaken the immune system and I don't get ANY for my family...maybe you were thinking that they had received a regular flu shot in hopes that it would protect against the swine flu??

[Jade's Mom]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Since there is no swine flu vaccine yet how can those people in Mexico have been vaccinated against swine flu??
While I agree that vaxes weaken the immune system and I don't get ANY for my family...maybe you were thinking that they had received a regular flu shot in hopes that it would protect against the swine flu??

I don't think so, but I'd have to go back and listen to the call.

And I believe there is a vaccine, it just hasn't gone through all the clinical trials for US approval. It could have been approved in Mexico.

[SunshineJ]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

Where can I read more about this? I was just ranting to DH about how the vaccinated people in 1918 were among the first to die.

Do you have a link? I would love to pass it on!

I'm pretty sure there was a post here a month or 2 ago with an article from a Mexican dr who was trying to get the word out about how bad it really was down there (hundred's dying vs the 20 or so being reported, etc.). I recall his comment that all the medical personnel were given a vaccine against swine flu and within 6 days his co-worker was dead of the same flu. I don't know where else I'd have read it - I'll see if I can go back and find it.

ETA: It's in this thread http://www.mothering.com/discussions...t=swine+mexico somewhere in teh first 3 pages

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Jade's Mom

I don't think so, but I'd have to go back and listen to the call.

And I believe there is a vaccine, it just hasn't gone through all the clinical trials for US approval. It could have been approved in Mexico.

No there is no swine flu vaccine yet.....Several manufactuerers are working on one, but they will not be able to start producing them until July (or so the WHO says) I remember when this all started they were urging people to go get the regular flu shot because it may offer SOME protection against the swine flu.

[Jade's Mom]

Not able to produce it doesn't mean not developed. When this all first started I remember reading an article about a company that had a vaccine and was trying to get the government to relax the approval process so they could get it on the market in a matter of weeks. (Luckily, that didn't happen)

[anewmama]

I heard about quite possibly this situation of docs and nurses being vaccinated. Someone posted it here only weeks after the Swine flu situation went public in April. This account was posted by a doctor on a site that had eye witness accounts of people talking about the situation in Mexico. There is NO WAY that they had the vaccine back then. They barely even understood what was going on back then.

[nicolebeth]

Originally Posted by Jade's Mom

In the 1918 flu pandemic that killed 10s of thousands, the majority of people who died had been vaccinated - their immune systems were compromised.

In Mexico this month, doctors and nurses and other hospital staff that were vaccinated against swine flu died within 6 days!

The best way to protect against swine flu is to protect your immune system. Vaccines do not to that. They weaken it.

There was a vaccine for the flu in 1918?! Do you have more information about that? I had no idea there was a vaccine then. Thank you.

[ZoeyZoo]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

Where can I read more about this? I was just ranting to DH about how the vaccinated people in 1918 were among the first to die.

Do you have a link? I would love to pass it on!

I don't have the link but I remember reading it through BBC news. There were articles with the doctors talking about how people died when they were vaxed.

MSNBC reported they were vacinating in Egypt.

I posted something on this because I found it odd that they were vaxing for something that supposedly didn't exist. I know some of the media was calling Tamiflu a vax but that doesn't explain in my mind why so many doctors (many were young in their 20s) were dropping dead. Their deaths didn't seem to be included in the official swine flu death count so I'm not sure what killed them.

[k9sarchik]

There is a vaccine for it. It is a synthetic one and the company was trying to push it through for approval. http://www.bostonherald.com/business...e_flu_vaccine/

I don't know if it ever went through.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

Where can I read more about this? I was just ranting to DH about how the vaccinated people in 1918 were among the first to die.

Like almost every other outbreak, the "Spanish Flu" began at a military installation. It was Fort Riley. It's interesting how this "flu" killed off young healthy men the most who were in their 20's and 30's. It's also interesting that the outbreak mainly occurred in 1918 just when the U.S. was entering the war and all their soldiers, mostly new recruits, got many shots, including the typhoid one. It's interesting that children and the elderly who are always the ones to die from the "flu" did not do so in this outbreak and they also did not receive all the shots.

It's interesting that this "flu" did not look like the flu at all in regards to symptoms and at first many believed the men were somehow coming down with typhoid. It's also interesting how they somehow called it the "flu" when the 1st flu virus wasn't even discovered until over a decade later. It's also interesting how soldiers were dropping like flies after the shots but it was somehow a coincidence that they just happened to die from the "flu."

Like I said, anyone who wants the swine flu shot they concocted for me can have it.

[Lillitu]

excellent article on tamiflu for children:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6734056.ece

[dessismama]

Please, do get your facts right!! There was no pandemic vaccine in 1918!! And there is no swine flu vaccine right now--it is still under development and testing.

And actually if you educate yourselves, you will find out that the people who were injected with blood from the dead victims of the virus in 1918 never died themselves... this was the only type of vaccination I am aware of from back then. They did not even know what caused the infection--in the UK they thought it was HIB, a bacteria. There were no big pharma companies, no dangerous adjuvants and other toxic substances, but also no flu sequences to follow the evolution of the virus.

The Mexican doctors were given a shot for the seasonal influenza, it takes 3-4 weeks for immunity to develop and it only works in about half of the people anyway. From a public health standpoint, this is better than nothing. Also, the seasonal shot does not offer protection for this new type of flu; neither do previous exposures to the seasonal flu.

So the doctors dying after 6 days has more to do with big viral load, stress, lack of proper personal care, etc. Remember when the pandemic broke out in Mexico, not much was known about the virus and those poor Mexican health workers were working around the clock, vastly unprotected from exposure.