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Puppy just starting to meet other dogs, showing aggression (fear?)

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I have a 16 week old Boston Terrier who is just now going out and meeting other dogs this week. She is great at leash walking, pulling very little, and the only obvious aggression/dominance she showed was a few weeks ago starting to show some nervousness around her food bowl by immediatley putting her head back at our hand when petting her or her paw up on my hand when it was in the bowl, which she no longer does...we can all put our hands in and out of it, take it away, etc, and she ALWAYS sits before she gets it even with the kids. We do not let her just jump on us and right away tell her off and put her into a sit which she willingly does, and we make her wait before coming in the house (ie-she lets us go in first). She is not allowed up on furniture or our beds. She also is willing to do things like wait for a piece of her food on the floor when we place it there and tell her too. She is doing great with all this and we practice this stuff daily and she complies with it..

My concern is in the past two days when she has met two dogs (one pomeranian, one daschund) who came within her personal space. Previously on walks all dogs have been across the street. She stops, and has lunged, but not growled and barked. I have immediately put her into a sit, but I could tell it was a very "tense" sit for her. Today, she met the Pom at a playground. She was in a sit and I thought she appeared calm, and I told the girls they could let their dog approach. Immediately when the dog made nose contact, mine lunged and growled, I got her attention with a shush/"pinching" at her side above her front leg (kind of like Cesar Milan does) and pulling her back, and put her in a sit. The other dog was upset/lunging as well. The girls picked their dog up and left, we tried about 5 min later, same thing. With the dashund, it was at a vet, and she jumped up and put her front legs over the dog's shoulders, and I did the same correction.

Any advice about this? I am wondering if it is fear because normally she is pretty compliant, although she wasn't submissive looking with ears back and such...she was more showing a heightened interest with ears up (don't know about tail...she doesn't have one, LOL!) We are trying to take her for walks so she can be around the moving vehicles, people on bikes and walking (which she is doing better at being calmer around and immediately sitting and letting them go by). I am worried about exposing her to enough dogs...no dog parks are around here at all, and we have one friend with a lab, otherwise, the only dogs she will meet are the ones we see on walks.

Anyone have any suggestions about what to do????
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It sure sounds like you know all about the pack leader rules and your family is doing very well in training this young pup.

Regarding her interactions, I can tell you're wanting to make sure she allows you to interact first, as the pack leader. But after that initial status check, I am thinking she is just wanting to play. It is perfectly natural for dogs to establish dominance or submission with each other. There is nothing wrong with that. With the pomeranian, your dog was forced to stay in a sit, while the other dog was given permission to approach. I think both dogs should have been free to approach on equal terms. Your dog being forced to remain in a sit, may have put her on the defensive. I think if you'd let up and allowed them to each approach, it would have been some puppy play going on.

With the dachsund, your pup putting her paws on the dach's shoulders is definitely a display of dominance. This is not necessarily wrong. However, the interaction should have been allowed to play out. If the dach didn't like it, it should have been given the opportunity to express that thereby allowing your pup to be properly put in her place.

Sometimes our fear can hold back a natural process.
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With the pomeranian, your dog was forced to stay in a sit, while the other dog was given permission to approach. I think both dogs should have been free to approach on equal terms.
I agree. Some of the things we get our dogs to do are very unnatural for them. For example, dogs would normally not approach each other head on as humans would - rather they do a semi-circle type of thing which is considered more "polite" in dog terms. Approaching head one can be seen as a pushy/aggressive move. I think in this situation it is fine to ask your dog to sit, look at you (if you want) and then release her to meet the other dog. Be sure to give lots of slack on the leash as keeping it tight essentially "telegraphs" your tension to the dog.

Also, I'm not a fan of the correction you are doing to her. If this is in fact a fear-based reaction, then correcting is the last thing you should do. Think of it this way: she sees another dog approach, gets a little nervous/tense because she hasn't been around many other dogs before, dog approaches, she freaks out, and gets corrected. Lesson learned for next time: approaching dog is scary and gets you pinched, must react faster - that's not the lesson you want her to learn!

If there are any puppy kindergarden classes near you I would strongly recommend signing up. If not, see at what age they will accept you for a beginners class - these tend to have many adolescent dogs usually. I think you would both benefit from some hands-on help and to learn to communicate a bit clearer.
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As young as she is....are you sure she is lunging and growling aggressively and not playfully...pups are often very vocal.

Cesar Milan has some great advice but IMO a lot of his training is for dogs that are already in the redzone.....it can be a bit dangerous or innapropriate for a person to use his techniques if they are misreading the situation and dont know for sure what they are doing or correcting. I would get her enrolled in a training class and they can help you asses the situaion. Personally, I would look for one geared to positive reinforcement.
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I agree with Ola and greenmagick. Puppy socialization classes are most excellent. Usually, basic obedience isn't taught for puppies under 6 months, but puppy 'kindergarten' or socialization classes cannot be started too early. They just allow young pups to get together and learn how to interact in a very relaxed atmosphere supervised by someone who knows doggie language.
Cesar Milan does train older dogs who already have issues. At this point, all your puppy seems to need is structured play time with other pups.
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I agree with Ola and greenmagick. Puppy socialization classes are most excellent. Usually, basic obedience isn't taught for puppies under 6 months, but puppy 'kindergarten' or socialization classes cannot be started too early. They just allow young pups to get together and learn how to interact in a very relaxed atmosphere supervised by someone who knows doggie language.
Cesar Milan does train older dogs who already have issues. At this point, all your puppy seems to need is structured play time with other pups.
There are no puppy kindy classes here unfortunately and I cannot start obedience until 6 months.

I don't know if I am convinced she was just playing...I have seen her puppy playing with us and this had a totally different vibe. Like Ola mentioned, she approached head-bang-on, there was NO circling and sniffing other than initial nose contact. The other two dogs backed off and seemed to be growling out of fear, one tried to run, and seemed scared to me, and the other then lunged back snapping and growling. How would I correct that, if I think she truly is being "bullying" in nature?

Tina
post #7 of 9
So she's about 4 months now? I'd sign up now for a class in 2 months (or 1.5, not like it they will know exactly).

I don't know if I would correct her for the dog thing, they are much better at "speaking dog" than we are and unless the other dog is very timid, she will be told off. Which, btw, should involve a fair amount of posturing and noise and sound scary to you, but no actual tooth contact. Really, the best thing for teaching bratty pups manners is a stable, "take no BS" adult dog.

If you can find someone with a dog like that (maybe your vet or the training school can put you in contact with someone for "play dates"?) that would be ideal. Your pup is getting older and the most important socialization takes place early, you don't want to wait till 6 months.
post #8 of 9
the family dog class that I go to starts at 16 weeks...Ivy is just over 4 month and we just started
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So she's about 4 months now? I'd sign up now for a class in 2 months (or 1.5, not like it they will know exactly).

I don't know if I would correct her for the dog thing, they are much better at "speaking dog" than we are and unless the other dog is very timid, she will be told off. Which, btw, should involve a fair amount of posturing and noise and sound scary to you, but no actual tooth contact. Really, the best thing for teaching bratty pups manners is a stable, "take no BS" adult dog.

If you can find someone with a dog like that (maybe your vet or the training school can put you in contact with someone for "play dates"?) that would be ideal. Your pup is getting older and the most important socialization takes place early, you don't want to wait till 6 months.



Most definitely true! A wise adult dog can put your pup in her place and the lesson learned will most certainly be more effective in teaching your pup proper doggie etiquette than any training you can give her. But as Ela said, it can be loud, dramatic, showy, but no injuries are involved.
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