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post #21 of 77
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Originally Posted by bizzeebee View Post
They are touch and go for me. If I feel like taking it I will, or I won't for a few days...just, whatever. I eat fairly well. I do take iron because I am too lazy to find out what I can eat with lots of iron. I am not big into red meat, but I make sure I get LOTS of calcium.
I would like to find a better alternative, cause I hate iron pills. They really mess your system up.
Floradix rocks for iron. I use the liquid and it's SO much better than any iron pill I ever used. Also, cast iron skillets!!! I haven't been anemic since my best friend bought me one! And I don't even use it everyday.
post #22 of 77
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Originally Posted by Leilalu View Post
well if you look up bee pollen alone- it has just about everything you could be missing.It is not EVERYTHING however. Which is why you would need other good supplements. You also need animal vitamin A- which is different than synthetic A and good for you.

I agree that you most likely won't get everything through eating well-prepared meals alone. But nature offers us an array of healthy superfoods.
Too much vitamin A can cause birth defects and you should not take any more than the recommended daily doseage.
post #23 of 77
What an interesting and thought provoking post.
post #24 of 77
Not pregnant, but I saw the title and couldn't stay away!

Vitamins never made sense to me, pregnant or not. I always thought that we have to be able to survive without them, people that don't take them seem to be doing just fine, so wouldn't it saturate and overload certain vitamins for those people if they began taking vitamins on top of their regular diet? I don't think clinically manufactured pill can be healthier than an apple or a carrot.

How cool that you found that kind of a doctor!
I'm glad to hear that I'm not crazy, and that there are people out there that think like I do. :
post #25 of 77
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Originally Posted by rachel65655 View Post
Too much vitamin A can cause birth defects and you should not take any more than the recommended daily doseage.
Actually this is only partly true. Synthetic A is not good for you. Which goes by the name retinal palmitate. It is extremely toxic and not for pregnant or nursing mothers in large doses.

Animal A, which occurs in foods that people have eaten from the beginning of time is perfectly safe in MASS QUANTITIES. It is found in animal fats. It is also found in good brands of cod liver oil. I dare you to eat enough animal source A to overdose! That would mean eating more meat than any of us could manage and it just wouldn't happen. We eat meats to taste, which is usually not terribly much.

Vitamin A is an essential building block. The stuff healthy babies are made from.
post #26 of 77
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Originally Posted by marinak1977 View Post
If you take whole food prenatals, they actually get absorbed, but it's true that most commonly available multis make for expensive pee.
I take Innate prenatals, and these are supposed to get absorbed. I am also trying to eat healthy, although with morning sickness it's a bit harder to get a balanced diet. Luckily I'm craving fruit.
Yeah, I agree - you need a high quality one that your body can absorb, hopefully one where the vitamins are derived from whole-food sources. I think your doc is on the right track, in that it's certainly better to get your vitamins from food, but you'd have to be a VERY conscientious eater in today's world of depleted soil and pesticide use. Better be safe than sorry and take a high-quality supplement. I take Rainbow Lite prenatals, and also do a little wheatgrass juice every day and fish oil.
post #27 of 77
I take CLO, but why fermented CLO? Is it nasty to take?
And for the other things that others were talking about where do you get them? (Various teas and such) I shop at Whole Foods, but additional resources would be good.
Hmm I wonder if a whole other thread would be good.....
post #28 of 77
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Originally Posted by Dea View Post
I take CLO, but why fermented CLO? Is it nasty to take?
And for the other things that others were talking about where do you get them? (Various teas and such) I shop at Whole Foods, but additional resources would be good.
Hmm I wonder if a whole other thread would be good.....
I got my fermented CLO on sale, because they were discounting the licorice flavor. I got several.
I like it because you take such a small amount, it really doesn't seem to matter. It comes with a syringe and we fill it up and squirt it right in our mouth. My CLO is from Blue Ice.

I got a pregnancy tea recently in bulk from Azurestandard.com If you are on their list of places they drop too you can get on a group drop and get lots of things fairly cheap.
post #29 of 77
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Originally Posted by Leilalu View Post
I got my fermented CLO on sale, because they were discounting the licorice flavor. I got several.
I like it because you take such a small amount, it really doesn't seem to matter. It comes with a syringe and we fill it up and squirt it right in our mouth. My CLO is from Blue Ice.
Thats the same kind of CLO I take as well. I believe the fermented blue ice is the only one on the market now that does not contain added synthetic vitamins. Please correct me if I am wrong on that! And so far even in all my nausuea it goes down just fine. Its like the only thing that goes down easy right now!
post #30 of 77
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Originally Posted by cahwilson View Post
Thats the same kind of CLO I take as well. I believe the fermented blue ice is the only one on the market now that does not contain added synthetic vitamins. Please correct me if I am wrong on that! And so far even in all my nausuea it goes down just fine. Its like the only thing that goes down easy right now!
I think you are right I'll get back to you for sure!
post #31 of 77
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Originally Posted by Leilalu View Post
Actually this is only partly true. Synthetic A is not good for you. Which goes by the name retinal palmitate. It is extremely toxic and not for pregnant or nursing mothers in large doses.

Animal A, which occurs in foods that people have eaten from the beginning of time is perfectly safe in MASS QUANTITIES. It is found in animal fats. It is also found in good brands of cod liver oil. I dare you to eat enough animal source A to overdose! That would mean eating more meat than any of us could manage and it just wouldn't happen. We eat meats to taste, which is usually not terribly much.

Vitamin A is an essential building block. The stuff healthy babies are made from.
It is possible to od on vitamin a from animal sources. There have been skeletons found from pre-historic humans that have obvious signs of vit. a overdose. It leaves clear signs on the bones. Presumably they found it from animal sources, and certainly it was not synthetic. The theory is that these people found a rich source of vit. a like a bee hive (maybe? not totally sure on that, but it rings a bell) or the liver of a carnivore, iirc. It's been a long time since that anthro class...
post #32 of 77
I am in favor of this. Multivitamins have recently been shown to not be helpful, and may in fact inhibit the real vitamins in your food.

Conclusion: a well balanced diet in which you're getting your vitamins directly from your food. Fresh fruits and leafy greens can give you all the folic acid you need.

My midwife told me not to bother with prenatals either. I think it's great that they're up to date on their info!
post #33 of 77
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Originally Posted by Leilalu View Post
I dare you to eat enough animal source A to overdose!
Maybe not overdose of A, but how about an overdose of a heart attack? Yikes. I wouldn't recommend "overdosing on meat".
post #34 of 77
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Originally Posted by Raene View Post
Maybe not overdose of A, but how about an overdose of a heart attack? Yikes. I wouldn't recommend "overdosing on meat".
Not to be snippy, but do you have real evidence from a good source that too much meat causes heart attacks? And do you know anyone who force feeds themselves large quantities of meat? It could be expensive. I was under the impression it was man-made foods such as vegetable oils, and refined sugars that caused heart problems.

for those interested, here is a reputable link about animal fats:
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html
And here are some great articles on womens health
http://www.westonaprice.org/women/index.html

that said, I still do not buy into the idea that you could easily overdose on animal sources of A. I eat butter until full, I eat meat until full. I don't take very much fish oil at one time because I would literally gag. I think one would have to try very hard. And for people who have not been consuming large amounts of fats their whole life- I would venture to say they could stand to eat even more than someone who has.
post #35 of 77
My doctor said the same thing, that multivitamins targeted at pregnant women are basically a scam, but that folic acid should be taken until 12 weeks. He also warned me to stay away from liver (not that I normally eat much liver...) because it contains too-high levels of vitamin A.

That said, I AM takin the prenatal vitamins, because I bought a whole pregnancy's worth just after I got the and before I saw my doctor...
post #36 of 77
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Originally Posted by Leilalu View Post
Actually this is only partly true. Synthetic A is not good for you. Which goes by the name retinal palmitate. It is extremely toxic and not for pregnant or nursing mothers in large doses.

Animal A, which occurs in foods that people have eaten from the beginning of time is perfectly safe in MASS QUANTITIES. It is found in animal fats. It is also found in good brands of cod liver oil. I dare you to eat enough animal source A to overdose! That would mean eating more meat than any of us could manage and it just wouldn't happen. We eat meats to taste, which is usually not terribly much.

Vitamin A is an essential building block. The stuff healthy babies are made from.
The Inuit don't eat polar bear liver because it will kill you, by causing an overdose of vitamin A. Any number of foolish European explorers met their end this way.
post #37 of 77
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Originally Posted by Bluegoat View Post
The Inuit don't eat polar bear liver because it will kill you, by causing an overdose of vitamin A. Any number of foolish European explorers met their end this way.
ok

But so on a practical level- day to day- I doubt any of us are likely to overdose on polar bear liver. You can't really overdose easily on cow liver or chickens for that matter. Mostly because you simply can't eat that much.
post #38 of 77

I have to admit, as much as I would love to stop taking my multivitamin, I continue to do so and probably will while pregnant


Edited by Mulvah - 10/16/11 at 6:32am
post #39 of 77
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Originally Posted by Leilalu View Post
Not to be snippy, but do you have real evidence from a good source that too much meat causes heart attacks? And do you know anyone who force feeds themselves large quantities of meat? It could be expensive. I was under the impression it was man-made foods such as vegetable oils, and refined sugars that caused heart problems.

for those interested, here is a reputable link about animal fats:
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html
And here are some great articles on womens health
http://www.westonaprice.org/women/index.html

that said, I still do not buy into the idea that you could easily overdose on animal sources of A. I eat butter until full, I eat meat until full. I don't take very much fish oil at one time because I would literally gag. I think one would have to try very hard. And for people who have not been consuming large amounts of fats their whole life- I would venture to say they could stand to eat even more than someone who has.

The China Study is a fabulous book, written by someone who grew up on a meat/dairy farm and set off to prove that eating meat was the way to go. Through his studies he came to find that people who do not eat meat live the longest and healthiest lives. It's fabulous.
post #40 of 77
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Originally Posted by Raene View Post
The China Study is a fabulous book, written by someone who grew up on a meat/dairy farm and set off to prove that eating meat was the way to go. Through his studies he came to find that people who do not eat meat live the longest and healthiest lives. It's fabulous.
I guess I just have to respectfully disagree I was a veggie for years and never felt worse! I actually regret having eaten so little meat before becoming pregnant with my first.

I don't want to fight with anybody. I just know I would want to know the whole story and not be misinformed when it comes to something as serious as healthy eating and childbearing.

There are numerous cultures that thrive on high fat, high meat consumption diets. I would also be curious to know what else those people in China were eating and whether they also have fish or fish oils, seaweeds, fermented foods, etc.
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