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post #41 of 108
I'm a little confused about the "unsafe" thing. How is being low in the basket less safe than being up high in the seat?

I don't care about the germ factor. Germs are honestly something that barely register on my radar.
post #42 of 108
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
I'm a little confused about the "unsafe" thing. How is being low in the basket less safe than being up high in the seat?

I don't care about the germ factor. Germs are honestly something that barely register on my radar.
It has to do with the center of gravity/balance of the cart. They are not designed to have large children in the basket and a sudden movement can cause them to tip. They are built to safely have small children in the seat- it's factored into the design.
post #43 of 108
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Originally Posted by Just Elsa View Post
It has to do with the center of gravity/balance of the cart. They are not designed to have large children in the basket and a sudden movement can cause them to tip. They are built to safely have small children in the seat- it's factored into the design.
I guess that makes sense, but it does presume that children are going to stay in the seat. IME, a lot of kids don't.
post #44 of 108
I have 4 young kids and I generally do the shopping with all of them along. I put them wherever I need to in order to get the job done! Seriously, how else would we eat? I am dealing with kids with ASD so it is necessary for me.

The 8 yo gets really overwhelmed/overstimulated in stores. He needs to go in the cart or he just can't function. The 5 yo also gets overstimulated in stores, but he swings the opposite way and becomes uncontrollably hyperactive. He can't help it, he just gets overwhelmed. I bribe him into the cart to prevent him from running around me in circles (coping mechanism) which inevitably leads to him getting hit full on by someone else's cart. Or running into people, or any other variety of things. It is safer for all of us to keep him in the cart.

The younger ones sit safely in the double seats (if available) though they are both quite adept at getting out of the belts if I am not looking! I am not generally worried about it. Like anything, a good amount of common sense is necessary. As is teaching kids to sit and WHY they should sit. But honestly, on my list of things that could be dangerous it is not a big priority for me.
post #45 of 108
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Originally Posted by funkymamajoy View Post
Honestly, I prefer to not bring the children when I'm shopping by myself. My oldest didn't object to the cart until he was past the running away phase and DD doesn't seem to mind the seat.
I love when I get to go shopping without DS but that's few and far inbetween. Since he is usually with me, I have to make do any way I can.
post #46 of 108
Personally, I don't do it because I think it's unsafe.
post #47 of 108
Wow, I've read most of the replies, and didn't realize until now that I'm very much in the minority. Since they were old enough to stand and "hold-on", I've let DD or DS stand in the cart, with the other one sitting in the designated area. Of course the child in the carrier part of the cart wouldn't allow me to actually put groceries there, so I placed a basket under the carriage (and if the car/truck option isn't available, I still use this method). I usually give them some kind of snack in order to make it through the store in peace and the rule is that DS has to hold onto the cart with at least one hand or sit down.

Funny that I thought this was a better option than the car/truck carts, until they were about 18 months, though I can't remember why. DD knew how to hold on at an earlier age, but she also seemed less trustworthy (i.e., she tried to hoist herself over the edge). She didn't come close to climbing out, but after that I switched them, and just stay within arms reach of the cart. Before they were able to stand I carried DD in a Beco, as she's much lighter, but she tired of being confined for the weekly shopping trip around 12 months.

Maybe it's different with twins? You just have to make otherwise unsafe things work?! I know that if I allowed one twin to walk the other would not be content in the cart, and if they were both walking they would take off in opposite directions, which seems really unsafe to me.
post #48 of 108
My sister had 2.5 yo twins tip the cart over while she was shopping. They both wanted to be on the side facing Mommy (and standing up). She luckily got to the cart before her 1 yo (who was sitting in the seat) got hurt. The stores around here have the fun carts so my nine year old often gives his 3 yo sister a race through the store. Thank goodness we shop at off times.
post #49 of 108
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Originally Posted by funkymamajoy View Post
I don't put my kids in the cart because I need that space for groceries.

When they start objecting to the seat, I start teaching them how to walk along with me.
This is what I did with my kids.
post #50 of 108
I don't have a problem with it at all.

I've put ds in there before when he was not feeling well (didn't want to walk) and I needed to get a few groceries. His biggest complaint was that his butt hurt, so I had to buy some TP rolls for him to sit on.

Now that he's 6.5 he thinks it's very babyish to sit in the cart and the last time I made him get in (he was running off and not listening) - he sat there and said "Mom, I feel like such a DORK in here!" I bursted out laughing, it was so cute.
post #51 of 108
We do it

I know it's not really safe

Usually at Kroger we go for one of the carts with a car attached. And sooner or later there is arguing, so we move one kid to the front "baby seat" (both kids are around 40 lbs)

But Walmart doesn't have car carts - only those big, molded seats at the back of a regular cart. And those promote kicking one another for amusement.

So the alternative is one in front, one in back. Or one walking, which soon turns to complaining, running in front of the cart, or hanging off the side of the cart, which I consider more dangerous (for tipping purposes).

Whoever sits in back must stay SEATED. FWIW, I was a kid who fell out of the shopping cart at age 3 -- one of those very high, very shallow kind (what was my mother thinking?!) I hit face first, lost consciousness, blacked both eyes ... daycare called CPS because of the black eyes and my refusal to give a plausible reason why ... yet I still do put a kid in the back of a (regular, deep) cart. And stay right beside the cart.

Shopping with 2 kids - it's not fun.

post #52 of 108
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It has to do with the center of gravity/balance of the cart. They are not designed to have large children in the basket and a sudden movement can cause them to tip. They are built to safely have small children in the seat- it's factored into the design.
Yeah but is a 50 lb kid any different than a big basket full of groceries? And if I don't have a kid with me, I put my purse in the seat part so that could roughly weigh the same as a small child (I have a big purse). Having a child sitting the basket can't be anymore dangerous than having it completely full of groceries really.
post #53 of 108
I DO NOT let my dc ride in the basket EVER. as you can see I have strong feelings on this issue.

When my 2 oldest where little I had ds14 in the seat and dd15 in the basket- she was 2 and 1/2.She had always been really good at staying sitting but just that once she stood up while my back was turned for just a moment, and fell out. She broke her arm.

Since that incident i have worked in a couple retail stores w/carts and have seen soooo many accidents and los getting seriously hurt.EVEN brain injuries (yes I know this because they come back and then try and SUE the store for damages!).The right fall at the right angle could snap their necks! I never thought about it before my dd fell but the distance they fall is about twice their height and usually these kids fall head first.I think its plain dangerous and worry very much every time I see someone ALLOWING their dc in the basket!

I have since had 4 more dc and if the store doesn't have the multi kid cart the littlest goes in the seat and the olders walk! If my dc won't sit in the seat (w/the belt on) then he can try to walk w/me and if that fails we leave. I want my children to be safe and not suffer unnessacarily.

Would you let your baby or dc ride in the seat w/o a belt? The car w/o a car seat or seat belt? I know some of you said you did it as a child and your mothers let you- but would you do everything your mother did as a parent? My mom was a great mom but I don't spank my dc which she did to me.
post #54 of 108
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Originally Posted by Alyantavid View Post
Having a child sitting the basket can't be anymore dangerous than having it completely full of groceries really.
Except for the fact that most groceries can't stand up unexpectedly or lean over the side just this one time. And if your groceries fall out when/if the cart tips, at worst there will just be a mess to clean up. If it's a child, there probably will be a serious injury. I really don't care if a watermelon or apple juice container bounces headlong along the floor--I'm sorry, but I don't really want to see a child do that.

But as people say, parents choose risk all the time. I don't think that parents who let their kids stand up in the back of the cart, ect. are horrible people, it's just a risk that I personally didn't feel comfortable taking, since I was able to find other solutions.

My kids have never ridden in the basket of the cart, and I have 3--my singleton is 17 months older than my twins. For awhile I was having to make shorter shopping trips, using my own shopping bag plus the cargo area of my triple stroller, did a babysitting trade so that I only had to take 1 or 2 kids with me, ect. It was a little more pain in the butt, but since I'd already had a scare catching a child falling out of the shopping cart, it was better on my nerves. Other people might choose differently.
post #55 of 108
Good grief. I only have one child, I can only imagine what it's like to go shopping with two or more!

For me, if DS wants to sit in the big cart basket, he can, I just remind him to stay seated. He's 5 and he's really too big to sit in th eseat of the cart, I can't get him out easily and it kills my back. It's much easier in the main cart compartment because I can swing his legs to the side when getting him out.

I mean, honestly, virtually everything is unsafe to one degree or another. I think our attention is most on the things that other people can be liable for because they have the most motivation to prevent or control our behavior. It's all a matter of risk reward, just like everything in life is.

I think whatever situation gets you through shopping alive with the least amount of heartache is OK, personally. When my DS was smaller shopping was a nightmare and it's one of those things that has to be done. Too bad they don't have carts that are designed differently, I mean these things were all made in the 70's or so, right? Have they fundamentally changed since then, except the seat belt? Don't think they have. I would think that they could make a better cart design at some point.
post #56 of 108
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Originally Posted by Alyantavid View Post
Yeah but is a 50 lb kid any different than a big basket full of groceries? And if I don't have a kid with me, I put my purse in the seat part so that could roughly weigh the same as a small child (I have a big purse). Having a child sitting the basket can't be anymore dangerous than having it completely full of groceries really.
Do the groceries wiggle?
post #57 of 108
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Originally Posted by Just Elsa View Post
Do the groceries wiggle?
well Jello does sorry, couldn't resist....that is all...
post #58 of 108
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Originally Posted by Alyantavid View Post
Having a child sitting the basket can't be anymore dangerous than having it completely full of groceries really.
I disagree. Groceries pretty much stay where you put them. If a child can't be trusted to walk along side, they can't be trusted to not move in such a way that may cause the cart to tip or for them to fall out.
post #59 of 108
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Having a child sitting the basket can't be anymore dangerous than having it completely full of groceries really.
Sitting in the basket. Not wiggling, jiggling or trying to jump out. Sitting.
post #60 of 108
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama View Post
I disagree. Groceries pretty much stay where you put them. If a child can't be trusted to walk along side, they can't be trusted to not move in such a way that may cause the cart to tip or for them to fall out.
I disagree with that. They are two different issues. My dd would get distracted when walking along the cart but had no problem sitting the whole time in the cart.
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