14 yr old ds vaxed, can he still get chx pox?

[Trisha]

My 14 year old son had the chicken pox vaccine 13 years ago. My other three kids are not vaccinated.

My sister just called and her daughter has the chicken pox so we are packing up and heading down state to 'share the love' in hopes that the last two get them naturally (the 3rd had a very mild case two years ago abut it didnt pass on to the other kids - boohoo).

Anyway, I wonder if my oldest might still get the chicken pox nautrally even if he had the vaccination. I hope so but wonder what the actual chances are.

Also, someone said that by getting the chicken pox naturally, you can then get shingles when you are older but if you get the vaccine, you wont get shingles. It sounded wrong but I coudlnt really find information about that.

Thank you!

[suschi]

Originally Posted by Trisha

My 14 year old son had the chicken pox vaccine 13 years ago. My other three kids are not vaccinated.

My sister just called and her daughter has the chicken pox so we are packing up and heading down state to 'share the love' in hopes that the last two get them naturally (the 3rd had a very mild case two years ago abut it didnt pass on to the other kids - boohoo).

Anyway, I wonder if my oldest might still get the chicken pox nautrally even if he had the vaccination. I hope so but wonder what the actual chances are.

Also, someone said that by getting the chicken pox naturally, you can then get shingles when you are older but if you get the vaccine, you wont get shingles. It sounded wrong but I coudlnt really find information about that.

Thank you!

Well, last I read, there was no information on how effective the chickenpox vax would be, the only info they had was based on a country that used the vaccine but it wasn't "mandated".

My son got chickenpox a year or two after being vaccinated. Pretty lousy "effectiveness"

As far as the shingles, it's from the live virus, and the vaccine is live virus, so having chickenpox OR the vaccine would make one susceptible. In fact, you can search the VAERS database and find that many children are reporting shingles AFTER getting the vaccine! And in some cases, the PARENT of the vaccinated child got shingles.

So many people, so many blinders.

[nettlesoup]

My nephew got the chicken pox vaccine, and at 13 he got a bad case of the chicken pox. Because of the vaccine, it was difficult to diagnose for some reason, so my sister was telling me never to get it for my daughter. I'm sure I heard that having the vaccine means that you'll have a higher chance of getting shingles. But I don't know how true it is. But basically having the vaccine seems to make chicken pox more complicated.

[JBaxter]

My oldest 2 were vax'd and both got chickenpox about 3 yrs after their vax. NOW they are giving 2 shots one at 12 months one at 5yrs because of the immunity wearing off.

[Gitti]

He can still get the cp even if he was vaccinated. He may already have natural immunity and so might your other two. So don't be surprised if they don't break out. They have been exposed and many kids get immune without symptoms.

As for shingles, the can get them in old age whether they are vaccinated or got them naturally. The cp virus is stored in the body either way.

The best way to prevent shingles in old age is to keep getting exposed to natural cp every 20 years. That's how it used to be and that's why shingles was so rare.

[k9sarchik]

Its a good idea to continue to expose all the kids including the vaxed one to CP throughout their childhood. This helps build immunity. When children get CP their immunity actually wears off in 3-5 years and they can be susceptible to getting shingles in their teens and 20's. This is because there is little wild-pox circulating. Wild pox circulation helps with immunity from shingles. When someone's titers get low shingles can present itself. And it can be debilitating.

There are so many cases of shingles now (and it is epidemic) which used to be unheard of and only in the older population. Prior to the vaccine shingles was only seen in people over 50. Not any more.

When you are an adult, after having multiple exposures to CP as a child, immunity is good for 7-20 years.

Read the book Chickenpox Vaccine: An epidemic of disease and corruption.

[MyBoysBlue]

My DS 2 who was 2 when he got the CP. Just a few months ago. DS 1 was just 7 at the time. He was vaxed sometime before he was 2 for it. I think around 15 months. He didn't get any boosters when he started school as we had stopped vaxing by then. For some reason he didn't pick up CP. I was hoping he would, but for him the vax seemed to have worked. Though I will keep trying to expose him just in case.

[SoCaliMommy]

Originally Posted by k9sarchik

When you are an adult, after having multiple exposures to CP as a child, immunity is good for 7-20 years.

Do you have a source to prove that other than that book you linked to ?

Because i was exposed a lot as a child and never got it, at almost 27yrs old, i have No Immunity. I was checked for immunity when i was 20 when i was pregnant with my daughter in 02 and again with my sons pregnancy in 05.

[k9sarchik]

Originally Posted by SoCaliMommy

Do you have a source to prove that other than that book you linked to ?

Because i was exposed a lot as a child and never got it, at almost 27yrs old, i have No Immunity. I was checked for immunity when i was 20 when i was pregnant with my daughter in 02 and again with my sons pregnancy in 05.

I only have this from a personal email from Gary S. Goldman, Ph. D. as well.

But you probably could find it in one of these studies:

The Nature of Herpes Zoster: Long-term study and a new hypothesis.
(Proc R Soc Med. 1965 Jan; 58:9-20) Hope Simpson RE

Immunilogical evidence of reinfection with varicella-zoster virus.
(J Infect Dis. 1983 Aug;148(2):200-5 Arvin AM, Koropchak CM, Wittek AE

The epidemiology of varicella-zoster virus infections: the influence of varicella on the prevalence of herpes zoster. (Epidemiol Infect, 1992 Jun; 108(3):513-28 Garnett GP, Grenfell BT

Cell-mediated immunity to varicella-zoster virus.
(J Infect Dis. 1992 Aug;166 Suppl 1:S35-41.) Arvin AM

Incidence of herpes zoster in pediatricians and history of reexposure to varicella-zoster virus in patients with herpes zoster.
(Kansenshogaku Zasshi. 1995 Aug;69(8):908-12.) Article in Japanese
Terada K, Hiraga y, Kawano S, Kataoka N.

The protective effect of immunological boosting against zoster: an analysis in leukemia children who were vaccinated against chickenpox.
(J Infect Dis. 1996 Feb;173 (2):450-3
Gershon AA, LaRussa P, Steinberg S, Mervish N, Lo SH, Meier P.

Varicella-zoster virus.
(Clin Microbiol Rev. 1996 Jul;9(3):361-81
Arvin AM

Universal vaccination against varicella (Correspondence)
(N Engl JMed 1998 Mar 5; 338(10):683)
Spingarn RW, Benjamin JA, Meissner HC

Contacts with varicella or with children and protection against herpes zoster in adults: a case-controlled study.
(Lancet. 2002 Aug 31; 360(9334):678-82

Exposure to varicella boosts immunity to herpes-zoster: Implications for mass vaccination against chickenpox.
(Vaccine 2002 Jun 7;20(19-20):2500-7

There is a few more, but I think you can find what you are looking for here.

Also since you have no immunity to CP. Then you won't get shingles.

[nia82]

I never had CP as a kid, and to get the green card, I had to get the CP shots (mandatory). I couldn't have cared less back then, I didn't start to question vaccines til I saw Gardasil commercials, and then being pregnant and reading up about it.
So anyways... They shot me up with 4 CP shots, as the first 2 didn't take (2 is the minimum nowadays). Even after 4 shots, they couldn't find a single antibody for CP in my blood (no titers). Go figure how well that stuff works, and my body prolly got pretty badly poisoned by that stuff.