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post #101 of 710
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Jane, I would love to hear more info about why NOT to choose organic kelp or dulse which has been tested free of heavy metals, instead for the iodine. Those absorb/bind with heavy metals in the large intestine, from my understanding; and help to excrete it, in addition to the whole food benefits AND iodine. Seems to 'kill two birds with one stone' as it were: iodine and helps with the (released/circulating) mercury/heavy metal stores (bromides too?). I'm not completely clear on the physiology of it. But, I'm just a whole foods gal.

Pat
Big reason NOT to choose seaweed for your iodine: BROMIDES. And arsenic.

Yes, seaweeds can contain significant amounts of bromide. It is thought to be the cause of goiter in certain Japanese studied with very high iodine intake from seaweed who by rights shouldn't have goiter at all. I wonder if my past large consumption of seaweed are contributing to my very hard time I'm having with 1-2 drops of Lugol's. I have to say I'm regretting not studying enough... as you know I'm a whole foods kind of gal too!

(and I think seaweed does NOT contain iodide?)

I can't do 2 drops of Lugol's (12.5mg). I feel completely horrible even with salt flushes 3x day. And I think I'm getting a yeast infection which I haven't had in years! This could also be mercury detox causing yeast? I need to find out more. Thank goodness for Candex.
post #102 of 710
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Just ordered Dr Brownstein's book.
Me too, his 2009 edition. The one I read before was his first one. This new ed. has info on children and detox I wanted to get.
post #103 of 710
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I would be very interested in your AM temps to see how your thyroid is doing. My understanding is that thyroid problems show up in the bloodwork after there has been a problem for quite some time... AM temps per Broda Barnes will tell you everytime (hypo or hyper).

I read somewhere, once, long ago, that taking 12.5 mg over time will slowly correct the deficiency, on the order of a year. I've got time, I've been putting this on the back burner for that reason. I am considering increasing for a while. One thing I've really wondered, since I've seen it with other nutrients, is, since I am doing some pretty intensive things to detoxify, well, that uses up nutrients. I've had to increase other supps at times as a result, so I wonder if I will use up iodine at an increased rate for the next year or so until I'm done, so my deficiency won't correct, even if other peoples' would.

Ooh, but I wanted to ask, what does Broda Barnes say for BBTs, and are the numbers pre- or post- ovulation? I have been confused in the past about BBTs in relation to ovulation. I know mine are a heckuva lot higher than they used to be, and my daytime temps overall are verging on normal--I am above 98F most days (during the day, I mean)! : I should start tracking my BBT again to know exactly what it is.


I know very little about this but Brownstein has done urine blood tests showing tiny amount of mercury in urine at baseline and a huge jump upon starting 50mg Iodoral. Still remaining elevated after 30 days. I thought I read that mercury binds to iodine receptors? I really don't know if this is true but it would be very important to find out!

I think mobilization is definitely possible, and I wonder about the effect on my son for this. But I don't think it pulls from what's actually in your amalgams, I think it's mobilizing what your body has stored. Though I didn't have any symptoms starting it, so I just don't know how variable this is. I was/am iodine deficient, definitely.

I'm still having such a hard time increasing my iodine, either I'm very bromide toxic or its the mercury. I think I will be doing the test although I really DO NOT want to take 50mg of iodine.
Is the test for the bromide? Have you tried the salt flushes to see if they help? I tried, just to see if it would be good/bad/do nothing, and ended up just rehydrating myself. Adrenal fatigue + consuming too little salt = dehydrated person. I'm hoping your adrenals are in better shape.

eta: you answered the salt flush question while I had my reply window open.
post #104 of 710
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One question I do have - I thought full strength Lugol's solution was only available with a prescription. Is that true? My understanding is that it's much cheaper than Iodoral, but that it tastes awful. So I'm considering trying to get ahold of some just to see if I could stand it and save a few $$.

Not sure yet if it's helping with my fibroadenoma...might need to give it a little longer, apparently it can take awhile.
It might take awhile and you might need 50mg per day at least. I have read that some clinicians use even more.

Full strength Lugol's is still available at compounding pharmacies only 1 oz at a time. You need to check and make sure it's the 5% iodine, 10% potassium iodide and 85% water recipe. They do not allow any more than one oz. b/c it can be used to manufacture drugs.

I don't think it tastes horrible, I wouldn't make my son take it but I don't mind. It tastes like iodine, no big deal. I mix in a couple oz of water or put in an empty gel cap.
post #105 of 710
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Is the test for the bromide? Have you tried the salt flushes to see if they help? I tried, just to see if it would be good/bad/do nothing, and ended up just rehydrating myself. Adrenal fatigue + consuming too little salt = dehydrated person. I'm hoping your adrenals are in better shape.

eta: you answered the salt flush question while I had my reply window open.
The flushes do work on the headache for a while but it comes back. I'm using 1/4-1/2 tsp. celtic sea salt 3x day. About 10 grams vitamin C, I cannot tell bowel tolerance right now b/c I'm taking more magnesium. Maybe I need more C?

I chug another glass of water after the salt and haven't noticed dehydration at all. But other symptoms it hasn't helped. I've been sooooooo cranky and not sleeping well either! The yi thing really pisses me off too after being so content for so long. Bah Humbug! Everyone else on this thread will be like, "I feel great, so energetic and euphoric, thanks Jane!"
post #106 of 710
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Also, I know calcium interferes with iodine, does magnesium? I'm very low on magnesium (get migraine headaches, had pre-eclampsia) & should supplement with that. Do you know if it interferes with iodine like calcium? Or is it safe to take mag to sufficiency while trying the iodine.

I'm also wondering if I should just start with iodine, THEN add in the rest of the supps one at a time. That way I'm sure any reactions I am having are due to the iodine rather than any of the other supps.

Oh, and a last question, What is your source for getting all the supplements. I don't want to go to Whole Foods to get these, since they are crazy $$ there. Do you have any online sources?

Thanks!!!

Ami
Actually Abraham recommends a month on supplements, THEN start iodine.

Magnesium is very important as an antioxidant on iodine supplementation. Abraham says any problems people have with iodine they are on a too high amount of calcium (he says 2000-3000 milligrams per day). He recommends 1200mg. per day. This should be spread out, it's a pretty high dose and might cause diarrhea.

I like www.IHerb.com for supplements myself, been ordering monthly for years and never been disappointed.

New customers can get $5 off with code: BOS439.

I do like Whole Foods for trying anything new though b/c their return policy is so easy.
post #107 of 710
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Tanya,

BBT Temp Testing is most accurate on 2nd and 3rd day of your period:

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Chapter 4


LOW THYROID:
The Unsuspected Illness

How can the thyroid affect my health?
During nearly 50 years of clinical practice, Dr. Broda Barnes, M.D., Ph.D. has seen thousands of people suffering from undiagnosed cases of low thyroid function (hypothyroidism). His discoveries led him to write a book called "Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness".

Dr. Barnes noted that hypothyroidism often goes undiagnosed because blood thyroid values are usually inaccurate. He recommends a simple test, called the Basal Temperature test, which the patient can perform at home.

Dr. Barnes has found the basal temperature to be one of the most valid tests to evaluate thyroid function. The temperature test should be done upon awakening in the morning, but before leaving your bed.

HOW TO TAKE THE BASAL TEMPERATURE TEST FOR DETERMINING LOW THYROID

1) If you are male or a non-menstruating female, take a digital thermometer or an oral mercury thermometer (which has been shaken down and placed at the bedside the previous evening) and place it in your armpit for 10 minutes immediately upon awakening while lying quietly in bed. Repeat the test three days in a row. Normal temperature is 97.8 degrees to 98.2 degrees. If your temperature is low, your thyroid gland is probably underactive. [If it is higher, that can signal hyperthyroidism.]

*************Note*************
DO NOT use an electric blanket for 24
hours prior to taking your temperature.
******************************


2)If you are a female who menstruates, do the above test on the second and third day of your period in the same manner.

3) If you have a very young child and you are unable to take his armpit temperature, you can take the rectal temperature for two minutes. Normal would be 1 degree higher than the above, that is 98.8 degrees to 99.2 degrees.

4)Record your results below and bring this record to your physician.

RESULTS: TEMPERATURE:

Date:________ Day 1: ___________________
Date:________ Day 2: ___________________
Date:________ Day 3: ___________________
Date:________ Day 4: ___________________
Date:________ Day 5: ___________________


post #108 of 710
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Me too, his 2009 edition. The one I read before was his first one. This new ed. has info on children and detox I wanted to get.
You had me freaking out for a minute there. The 4th edition is the 2009 edition, yeah?
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I can't do 2 drops of Lugol's (12.5mg). I feel completely horrible even with salt flushes 3x day. And I think I'm getting a yeast infection which I haven't had in years! This could also be mercury detox causing yeast? I need to find out more. Thank goodness for Candex.
Isn't there something about some people doing better on a high dose than a low-ish one? Something about the symporters and the way you process the iodine? I think the answer is linked on this page, but I haven't actually done the research yet
post #109 of 710
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Is the test for the bromide?

Forgot to answer before. Yes. Both the iodine and bromide tests. The more I've been reading about Sodium iodide symporter (NIS) system defects too I'm thinking if it's obvious I have issues I should just get it done the right way.

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I think mobilization is definitely possible, and I wonder about the effect on my son for this. But I don't think it pulls from what's actually in your amalgams, I think it's mobilizing what your body has stored. Though I didn't have any symptoms starting it, so I just don't know how variable this is. I was/am iodine deficient, definitely.
Yes you are right, it probably doesn't pull from amalgams. Mine are all gone, this would be body load for me. It seems to me if mercury is clogging iodine receptors it would make sense it would mobilize mercury. But like I said, I haven't researched yet.
post #110 of 710
[QUOTE=JaneS;13862366]Big reason NOT to choose seaweed for your iodine: BROMIDES. And arsenic.

Yes, seaweeds can contain significant amounts of bromide. It is thought to be the cause of goiter in certain Japanese studied with very high iodine intake from seaweed who by rights shouldn't have goiter at all. I wonder if my past large consumption of seaweed are contributing to my very hard time I'm having with 1-2 drops of Lugol's. I have to say I'm regretting not studying enough... as you know I'm a whole foods kind of gal too!

QUOTE]

That is interesting, because I've been wondering why my friend who lives in Japan was told by her doctors to avoid seaweed because of her thyroid or goiter issues.
post #111 of 710
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You had me freaking out for a minute there. The 4th edition is the 2009 edition, yeah?
Yes, all is well.

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Isn't there something about some people doing better on a high dose than a low-ish one? Something about the symporters and the way you process the iodine? I think the answer is linked on this page, but I haven't actually done the research yet
Hmmm... will read. I'm skeered though! I cannot tell you how crappy I feel just from trying to work up to 2 drops. And my lymph nodes are sore. I need to take another magnesium bath tonight. I'm considering a sauna! I so don't have the bandwidth in my life for this right now but I gotta start.

I wonder if mercury interferes with the symporters. I need to spend some time over at the CureZone Iodine forum.
post #112 of 710
Ok, not saying I understood every word of this study. But, from what I get out of it, kelp has some superior anti-oxidative properties, especially for bromide and iodide, it appears.

"Now scientists have determined that brown kelp, which boasts the highest concentration of iodide of any plant or animal."

"Iodide is accumulated in the cell wall space of the outer (cortical) seaweed tissues."

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=2383960
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/M300247200v1
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=2383960
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18458346
http://www.innovations-report.de/htm...ht-112680.html

The Importance of Kelp: http://www.jcrows.com/kelp.html

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The main argument is that ocean plants such as kelps, which are some of the most mineral rich plants on earth, can be used to provide the body with minerals and nutrition missing from land based food products.
  • detoxify people by removing toxins and waste from the tissue through the power of kelps and other sea plants2.
  • It contains many photosynthetic vitamins, trace minerals, lipids, plant sterols, amino acids, omega 3's and 6's, anti-oxidants, growth hormones, polyphenols, flavenoids.
  • It also contains cancer preventing photochemicals, Fucoidan, Laminarin and Alginate compounds, which are not found in land plants1.
  • It has been known that kelp is traditionally used to treat hyperthyroidism, enlarged thyroid glands5.
  • Fucoidan minerals, which are found in marine algae, are often used to maintain healthy skin and hair.
  • Kelps and other algae inhibit the uptake of heavy metals, which can shorten one’s lifespan2.
  • Studies have shown that the active ingredient in kelp, sodium alginate, inhibits the uptake of heavy metals and Radiostrontium 90 (nuclear fallout)2.
  • Fucoidan minerals are natural antioxidants which fights free radicals that damage cells4.
  • These minerals and nutrition are only found in seaweed and kelps and lacking in any land based plants.

http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/seavegg.htm


Where does all this bottled iodine come from?

Extracting iodine from seaweed

Ribbon seaweeds (sp. laminaria) contain iodine compounds which they obtain by extracting iodide ions from seawater. This iodine can be extracted from the seaweed by heating it in air to an ash, in which the iodine is present as iodide.

The iodide is dissolved out of the residue by boiling water, the solution filtered and the iodide oxidised to iodine using hydrogen peroxide. The iodine colours the solution brown at this stage. Isolating the iodine from this solution can be done by solvent extraction, followed by evaporation of the solvent.

http://www.practicalchemistry.org/ex...ed,256,EX.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=pNN...m=10#PPA264,M1




Pat
post #113 of 710
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Hmmm... will read. I'm skeered though! I cannot tell you how crappy I feel just from trying to work up to 2 drops. And my lymph nodes are sore. I need to take another magnesium bath tonight. I'm considering a sauna! I so don't have the bandwidth in my life for this right now but I gotta start.

I wonder if mercury interferes with the symporters. I need to spend some time over at the CureZone Iodine forum.
It was something Stephanie said on the iodine yahoo group, but I'm searching the archives now and can't come up with anything (well, besides my own post asking about it because I couldn't find it in the archives ). The best I can put together is that high bromine/low iodine shuts down the symporters and that the best way to get them going again is to blast with high dose iodine and tons of vitamin C.
I think these are the articles she pointed me to. Time to read them myself!
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-21/IOD_21.htm
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm
post #114 of 710
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The flushes do work on the headache for a while but it comes back. I'm using 1/4-1/2 tsp. celtic sea salt 3x day. About 10 grams vitamin C, I cannot tell bowel tolerance right now b/c I'm taking more magnesium. Maybe I need more C?

I've never taken mag to bowel tolerance, I just skate along with my usual supps and add a bit of extra mag if I feel I need it. You could be mobilizing a lot and really increasing your vitC need, it may be worth re-checking to see if it's changed a lot since whenever. If it's mercury causing the headache, modifilan will make it go away. At least it works for me and the kids, but if you do try it, you may need a lot. I took 8 capsules a couple hours after I had my amalgams out and my headache was coming on, then another 6 10 minutes later, as a comparison point.

I chug another glass of water after the salt and haven't noticed dehydration at all. But other symptoms it hasn't helped. I've been sooooooo cranky and not sleeping well either! The yi thing really pisses me off too after being so content for so long. Bah Humbug! Everyone else on this thread will be like, "I feel great, so energetic and euphoric, thanks Jane!"
For me not sleeping well means increased oxidative stress. My solution is increasing my melatonin (waiting for from a few people ) but it's working for now.

Heck, if you're gonna feel miserable, just get yourself some DMSA and or some ALA and go to it! Though it sounds like you're making progress on _something_.

Hey, if you want another option for circulating toxins, this is what I do...
http://www.perque.com/pdfs/Pt_Ascorbate_Slush_FIN.pdf
post #115 of 710
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For me not sleeping well means increased oxidative stress. My solution is increasing my melatonin (waiting for from a few people ) but it's working for now.

Heck, if you're gonna feel miserable, just get yourself some DMSA and or some ALA and go to it! Though it sounds like you're making progress on _something_.

Hey, if you want another option for circulating toxins, this is what I do...
http://www.perque.com/pdfs/Pt_Ascorbate_Slush_FIN.pdf
Yeah it doesn't feel like progress let me tell you. I've been chatting with my dietician who has done this herself and I'll probably be seeing the enviromental dr. she's worked with (he is also a DAN that's seen my DS in past). I feel weird going back to him myself! I don't feel like I should be doing this on my own and I definitely should be doing something. Time to stop focusing on DS or worrying about other family issues.

Melatonin never helped me believe it or not, but that reminds me I should up my Jarrow sublingual methyl B12, which did. My thinking is so foggy at times it's kinda scary, it's gotta be mercury right? I need some zeolite or modiflan! Man I knew not chelating was gonna bite me in butt at some point. I was having so much fun on my merry happy feeling good way though it was easy to ignore... :

Which ascorbate do you use, link to the brand if you could? I have Nutribiotics sodium ascorbate but I gather you use something different for the flush?
post #116 of 710
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It was something Stephanie said on the iodine yahoo group, but I'm searching the archives now and can't come up with anything (well, besides my own post asking about it because I couldn't find it in the archives ). The best I can put together is that high bromine/low iodine shuts down the symporters and that the best way to get them going again is to blast with high dose iodine and tons of vitamin C.
I think these are the articles she pointed me to. Time to read them myself!
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-21/IOD_21.htm
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm
100 mg iodine!!!! :

That's interesting though that it's combined with very high doses of B2 & B3 only in the first link.

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Further studies revealed that the potentiating effects of ATP cofactors vitamin B2 and B3 on orthoiodosupplementation in FM patients was not observed until the daily amounts were increased to 1,000 mg B3 and 200 mg B2, and that B3 alone at 1,000 mg/day was not as effective as in combination with vitamin B2 at 200 mg/day
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In patients with a normal gastrointestinal absorption of iodine but with a very defective iodine retention system, the absorbed iodine is quantitatively excreted in the urine with little or no retention. In these rare cases, the loading test will suggest whole body iodine sufficiency (90% or more excreted) but the serum inorganic iodide levels 24 hrs after the iodine load will remain low (less than 0.13 mg/L). The inefficient iodine retention mechanism could be due to either a defective cellular iodine transport system, or due to blockage of this iodine cellular transport by goitrogens that compete with iodide for the halide binding site of the symporter system. The defective iodine cellular transport mechanism could be due to genetic defects or oxidative damage to the halide binding site of the symporter
Bromide was the cause of one of them. Sounds like me who can only tolerate one drop of Lugol's per day. I take more than 3 grams of C though.

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She tolerated a daily average dose of 6.25 mg iodine well with increased energy. The iodine transport damage was corrected as least partially by administration of the antioxidant Vitamin C in a sustained released form at 3 gm/day for three months.

Elevated bromide levels were observed in urine and serum samples, twenty times the levels reported in the literature in normal subjects(8,9). Mild bromism may have been the cause of the oxidative damage to the iodine transport system and the side effects to orthoiodosupplementation. Chloride competes with bromide at the renal level and increases the renal clearance of bromide (10,11). Sodium chloride at 10 gm/day for one week resulted in marked increase in urine bromide levels, and a sharp drop in serum bromide.
Wow...

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Some patients require up to 2 years of orthoiodosupplementation to bring post loading urine bromide levels below 10 mg/24 hr,
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We are currently preparing a protocol for the evaluation of patients not responding to orthoiodosupplementation and with evidence of a defective whole body iodine retention mechanism: The results of the loading test showing 90% or greater excretion of the iodine load combined with baseline serum iodide levels below 10-6M (<0.13 mg/L). The evaluation of such patients ideally should include antibody titer to the sodium iodide symporter.
That means a test for Hashimoto's right? I"m clear on that at least.
post #117 of 710
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I'm also wondering if I should just start with iodine, THEN add in the rest of the supps one at a time. That way I'm sure any reactions I am having are due to the iodine rather than any of the other supps.

Oh, and a last question, What is your source for getting all the supplements. I don't want to go to Whole Foods to get these, since they are crazy $$ there. Do you have any online sources?

Thanks!!!

Ami
Hey Ami,

First, Vitacost.com is where I get my stuff from. Super cheap, fast shipping and flat rate shipping!

Ok so I started with the multi, Nature's Way Siberian ginseng (2 capsules a day), iodine and cod liver oil... but I did add magnesium shortly after because of the headaches... its very important to take that too. In fact, if you were to just start out with everything I take now it'd cost about $24 a month per adult.. not bad considering that my life has improved drastically (read my story my cure in my sig).

Here's what I take each day:

1 Multi (I believe the brand is important and the one I've had success with is One 'N' Only)
1 Cod liver oil
750mg of Magnesium
32.5mg of iodine
(I was experiencing some anxiety attacks a couple weeks ago and dropped my dose to try and figure out why I was having them, thought maybe I had reached sufficiency... realized what was happening, I was taking them at night because that's when I'm least nauseous, my body was trying to wind down but the vits were trying to wind up oops!)
1 Chromium with Vanadium pill (source naturals)
1 selenium (futurebiotics)
3000mg vit c (NSI brand)
I've also added inositol but still nauseous so skipping that giant horse pill til nausea passes...

Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions!
post #118 of 710
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RE: Kelp and Miss Pat the Whole Foods Link-Mama Extraordinare

I totally get you! Believe me I have been a longtime, 15 year, sushi freak. I cook with kombu and eat wakame salads and shake kelp. I had a hard time with Lugol's at first a year and half ago and then just depended on Coast of Maine high iodine kelp and then 1 drop Lugol's sporadically.

And here I am obviously having a problem if I can't even tolerate 12.5mg of purified iodine/iodide. And I DID NOT have any detox from seaweed that I could determine. At first I though that was a good thing, but my AM temps were still inconsistent so ultimately I wasn't getting enough iodine to feed my thyroid. And also why would I still be having this problem if I was full up on iodine from seaweeds? (And we eat a lot of wild seafood too.)

I don't know what to say. But the circumstances I find myself in I just want to go with the clinical evidence right now I guess. This bromide detox just makes me wonder where the heck it's coming from. My friend's swimming pool maybe? I know they use chlorine but maybe bromine too? I just hate feeling like crap, can I whine about it again?
post #119 of 710
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Yeah it doesn't feel like progress let me tell you. I've been chatting with my dietician who has done this herself and I'll probably be seeing the enviromental dr. she's worked with (he is also a DAN that's seen my DS in past). I feel weird going back to him myself! I don't feel like I should be doing this on my own and I definitely should be doing something. Time to stop focusing on DS or worrying about other family issues.

Melatonin never helped me believe it or not, but that reminds me I should up my Jarrow sublingual methyl B12, which did. My thinking is so foggy at times it's kinda scary, it's gotta be mercury right? I need some zeolite or modiflan! Man I knew not chelating was gonna bite me in butt at some point. I was having so much fun on my merry happy feeling good way though it was easy to ignore... :

Which ascorbate do you use, link to the brand if you could? I have Nutribiotics sodium ascorbate but I gather you use something different for the flush?

See it's weird cause aside from the detox headache and occasional fatigue during the first month supping, my family and friends have not felt this from taking the supps I take... there must be something to it...
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Yeah it doesn't feel like progress let me tell you. I've been chatting with my dietician who has done this herself and I'll probably be seeing the enviromental dr. she's worked with (he is also a DAN that's seen my DS in past). I feel weird going back to him myself! I don't feel like I should be doing this on my own and I definitely should be doing something. Time to stop focusing on DS or worrying about other family issues.

Melatonin never helped me believe it or not, but that reminds me I should up my Jarrow sublingual methyl B12, which did. My thinking is so foggy at times it's kinda scary, it's gotta be mercury right? I need some zeolite or modiflan! Man I knew not chelating was gonna bite me in butt at some point. I was having so much fun on my merry happy feeling good way though it was easy to ignore... :

Which ascorbate do you use, link to the brand if you could? I have Nutribiotics sodium ascorbate but I gather you use something different for the flush?
I have found it very hard to prioritize well between us all. I can't say I've done a great job, but we all seem to be seeing progress, except DH, and now I'm trying to fine-tune for him. It seems especially hard when your child seems more affected than you, because putting that aside even temporarily is just wrenching.

Foggy thinking sucks. It's so hard, and honestly, even last year when I was feeling better, that still was not impressive. You could consider actual thyroid support for a while, some of my fogginess was thyroid and until you can get the iodine thing sorted out, I think it's reasonable. But I'm glad to hear you've got a doctor to work with! And if you think you need professional support through this, go for it. There's a time for DIY and a time for help, I know I lean a lot on my HCP.

I remember some people didn't get help from melatonin, but they did with, I think 5-htp? I really should re-read the diagrams and understand that better. Out of curiosity, how much melatonin have you tried? I was taking a lot over the winter, but I never would've guessed, if I hadn't already been taking it, that I needed to go up to 8mg. But I'm guessing that's not your issue, it's just something that sometimes puzzles me in general.

For the flush, at first I just used Perque's vitamin C, I think it's high-quality but it's also somewhat pricey and the flavor is, well, not horrible but not great either, and the association of that flavor with induced diarrhea is tough.

Now I mix half Perque vitC with half Now sodium ascorbate. I don't think Now's SA is the best out there, but at the rate we go through the stuff, it's an economical choice.

This is the Perque vitC...
http://www.houseofnutrition.com/perq4.html

And Now SA is available everywhere.
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