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post #121 of 710
So, I ordered some liquid dulse and it says 4 drops = 225 mcg. I have been taking that for a week and thinking "wow, I feel better." But now I realize that is really only .255 mg which is nothing, right!!?? ha!

What is a good slow starting dose if my drops are 4 drops = 225mcg?

Thanks ladies!
post #122 of 710
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post
Big reason NOT to choose seaweed for your iodine: BROMIDES. And arsenic.

Yes, seaweeds can contain significant amounts of bromide. It is thought to be the cause of goiter in certain Japanese studied with very high iodine intake from seaweed who by rights shouldn't have goiter at all. I wonder if my past large consumption of seaweed are contributing to my very hard time I'm having with 1-2 drops of Lugol's. I have to say I'm regretting not studying enough... as you know I'm a whole foods kind of gal too!

(and I think seaweed does NOT contain iodide?)

I can't do 2 drops of Lugol's (12.5mg). I feel completely horrible even with salt flushes 3x day. And I think I'm getting a yeast infection which I haven't had in years! This could also be mercury detox causing yeast? I need to find out more. Thank goodness for Candex.
You probably know this as everyone seems to know more than me but I was just reading that mag supplementation is implicated in candida infections...

Do you have a link about seaweeds containg bromides? Everywhere I've read says that seaweeds counteract the affects of bromide...I am getting more and more confused...
post #123 of 710
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Originally Posted by aris99 View Post
You probably know this as everyone seems to know more than me but I was just reading that mag supplementation is implicated in candida infections...

Do you have a link about seaweeds containg bromides? Everywhere I've read says that seaweeds counteract the affects of bromide...I am getting more and more confused...
Actually Iodine is used for treatment in candida and systemic yeast infections....

"Iodine appears to be the best remedy to eliminate systemic yeast infections."

"He had read that potassium iodide solution could be used to treat Candida infestation of the blood. So he put the patient on six to eight drops of Lugol's solution four times a day and soon the patient was again completely well."

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/candida.html
post #124 of 710
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
Jane, I would love to hear more info about why NOT to choose organic kelp or dulse which has been tested free of heavy metals, instead for the iodine. Those absorb/bind with heavy metals in the large intestine, from my understanding; and help to excrete it, in addition to the whole food benefits AND iodine. Seems to 'kill two birds with one stone' as it were: iodine and helps with the (released/circulating) mercury/heavy metal stores (bromides too?). I'm not completely clear on the physiology of it. But, I'm just a whole foods gal.

Pat
Just what I was thinking. I have Maine Coast kelp, dulse, ect. flakes & wanted to take them. The back of the bottle has a blurb by Dr. Brownstein, so I was/am hoping that they're tested for heavy metals.

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Just ordered Dr Brownstein's book.
I thought I'd read about him in the salt society's newsletter, but it was on the back of my kelp bottle.

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Me too, his 2009 edition. The one I read before was his first one. This new ed. has info on children and detox I wanted to get.
Good to know, I'd like to order it as well.

I skimmed the last few pages, need more time to read....later. I wish these long, interesting threads could have a post in the beginning summing everything up!
post #125 of 710
Overthinking this as usual....brazil nuts for selenium? I have often wondered how well whole nuts actually get digested? I mean they may contain a good amt of selenium crushed up under laboratory conditions but it's my experience that even if you chew them as well as is possible they never quite get fully broken down iykwim....does brazil nut butter exist ?
post #126 of 710
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Overthinking this as usual....brazil nuts for selenium? I have often wondered how well whole nuts actually get digested? I mean they may contain a good amt of selenium crushed up under laboratory conditions but it's my experience that even if you chew them as well as is possible they never quite get fully broken down iykwim....does brazil nut butter exist ?
Not sure how well they digest, good question but here's brazil nut butter
http://www.sunfood.com/Categories/1/...d-butters.aspx
post #127 of 710
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Not sure how well they digest, good question but here's brazil nut butter
http://www.sunfood.com/Categories/1/...d-butters.aspx
NUTS:!!!!! I was hoping it didn't exist! Thanks!

OMG look what pumpkin seed butter can do for you!!!!
post #128 of 710
Yep, that's why I grind up pumpkin seeds to use as flour in our muffins (we're GF). I also rely on Brazil nuts for selenium - 2/day for me & 1/day for the kiddos.
post #129 of 710
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I remember some people didn't get help from melatonin, but they did with, I think 5-htp? I really should re-read the diagrams and understand that better. Out of curiosity, how much melatonin have you tried? I was taking a lot over the winter, but I never would've guessed, if I hadn't already been taking it, that I needed to go up to 8mg. But I'm guessing that's not your issue, it's just something that sometimes puzzles me in general.
I used this one, I think just 2 sprays so 3 mg?
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals...4-ml/1301?at=0

My issue was never fallling asleep if that makes a difference. I can go to sleep just fine, but I wake at 3 or 4 AM and not fall back asleep. Like buzzing anxiety but not really anxious, just really awake! Now that you mention it I think more vitamin C helped so the ox stress idea does make sense.

I tried 5 HTP too, and I thought it was helping but then I thought it didn't. Of course was going through extreme emotional issues at the time who knows what nutrients I was burning through. I should probably take some methyl folate, I haven't been as good a girl with chicken liver.

Thanks for the C rec, I can get Perque through our RD.
post #130 of 710
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post #131 of 710
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by aris99 View Post
You probably know this as everyone seems to know more than me but I was just reading that mag supplementation is implicated in candida infections...

Do you have a link about seaweeds containg bromides? Everywhere I've read says that seaweeds counteract the affects of bromide...I am getting more and more confused...
more magnesium causing candida?

Here are references for bromides in seaweed:

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Seaweed also concentrates other halides such as bromide, which possess goitrogenic, carcinogenic and narcoleptic properties (1). Seawater is very poor in iodide and relatively rich in bromidewith 0.05 PPM iodide and 70 PPM bromide. There is 1400 times more bromide than iodide in seawater...

Although seaweed has been the main source of iodine for the Japanese population, inorganic iodine/iodide in supplements (liquid or tablets) seems a much purer, safer and more accurate form for supplementation of this essential element than seaweed. It is more difficult to titrate the amount of seaweed needed to achieve whole body sufficiency for iodine than the amount of a pure standardized solid dose form of this essential element. It was not conclusively proven that iodine was the cause of the reported seaweed-induced goiter with normal thyroid functions 40 years ago in Hokkaido, Japan (15). This seaweed-induced goiter eventually disappeared (23). Suzuki et al (15) questioned whether seaweed itself was the cause of this goiter, since much larger amounts of iodide in pulmonary patients did not induce goiter. Suzuki et al commented: "Considering the paucity of reported cases of iodine goiter with the wide spread usage of iodine medication, we cannot exclude factors other than excessive intake of dietary iodine as a cause of the goiter." Also, residents in Tokyo, Japan, who excreted similar levels of iodide in their urine (around 20 mg/24h) did not experience goiter. Contamination of seaweed with bromide is the most likely explanation, since bromide is a goitrogen (1), and there is 1400 times more bromide than iodide in seawater (20). The presence of excess goitrogens in the diet would require greater amounts of ingested iodine to prevent the goitrogenic effect of these substances (2).
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-12/IOD_12.htm
post #132 of 710
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Originally Posted by ChristSavesAll View Post
Actually Iodine is used for treatment in candida and systemic yeast infections....
I guess I'm just a freak!
Iodine probably would have nuked it if I had taken larger doses but I don't think my detox pathways can handle whatever I'm getting rid off at the same time. So weird. I'm okay now, Candex and kefir are my friends.
post #133 of 710
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
Just what I was thinking. I have Maine Coast kelp, dulse, ect. flakes & wanted to take them. The back of the bottle has a blurb by Dr. Brownstein, so I was/am hoping that they're tested for heavy metals.

I thought I'd read about him in the salt society's newsletter, but it was on the back of my kelp bottle.

Good to know, I'd like to order it as well.

I skimmed the last few pages, need more time to read....later. I wish these long, interesting threads could have a post in the beginning summing everything up!
I tried to sum it all up but I get too lost in the trees! Tell me something that my first few posts are missing and I will edit.

The last I heard every seaweed that Brownstein tested was high in arsenic and that is why he doesn't recommend it, I don't know about bromides.

I have no idea why Coast of Maine is using his cites on their bottle then... will investigate...
post #134 of 710
[QUOTE=JaneS;13869520]more magnesium causing candida?

I read that on the link I got from Tanya yesterday....

http://george-eby-research.com/html/...n-anxiety.html

Quote: "Warning! Too much magnesium has been known to cause diarrhea for at least 100 years. Each magnesium ion will attract about 800 molecules of water, which is usually believed to be the cause of the diarrhea. However, too much magnesium exponentially stimulates the growth of Candida yeast cells in vitro, which was preventable by added calcium. Consequently, large doses of magnesium without calcium may stimulate intestinal Candida overgrowth in the human. Consequently, magnesium should be taken using several antifungal agents, and especially garlic with coconut oil. Also, Indole-3-Carbinol will greatly help in detoxifying the intestines and inducing immunity to Candida, thus reducing diarrhea and reducing magnesium wasting. These antifungals will also amplify the absorption of magnesium and greatly accelerate recovery but may increase toxicity of magnesium due to increased absorption. Consequently, when magnesium (without calcium) and antifungals are being used therapeutically, potential for overdose should be considered. "
post #135 of 710
Thread Starter 
100 years!

Hmmmm. Eby certainly was right about mag. deficiency and depression connection but this is the first I've heard of candida. I have greatly increased my mag. recently but I've done that before w/o issue. I have only heard that having yeast problems means you cannot absorb your mag. not that it would encourage it! Wonder what Mark Sircus or Carolyn Dean would say, they are the mag. experts it seems.

Abraham says mag. is essential for high iodine support. Geez, I wish everyone would agree. Maybe I will stick with just the transdermal mag. and stop taking it by mouth too (was only doing 200-400mg orally).
post #136 of 710
In regards to candida and yeast infections...

Coconut oil also works wonders, so instead of using pharma meds you could try that.

"Coconut oil appears to be effective within days. With Candida take initially 4 tablespoons of coconut oil spread out during the day, and after improvement you may reduce this to 2 tablespoons for several more weeks. This seems to be effective against systemic as well as localised infestations, including those of the genitals. However, it is advisable to apply coconut oil topically as well."

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/candida.html
post #137 of 710
Thank you so much for the details, Nichole!!

I'm having some issues with the iodine. The ones I keep finding seem to be all kelp based, which I've gathered is a no-no. What brand of iodine do you use?

Also, the selenium, chromium and vit c are to help detox, right? I feel like I'm starting to understand the bigger picture, but there are so many little details that confuse me.

Ami

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Hey Ami,

First, Vitacost.com is where I get my stuff from. Super cheap, fast shipping and flat rate shipping!

Ok so I started with the multi, Nature's Way Siberian ginseng (2 capsules a day), iodine and cod liver oil... but I did add magnesium shortly after because of the headaches... its very important to take that too. In fact, if you were to just start out with everything I take now it'd cost about $24 a month per adult.. not bad considering that my life has improved drastically (read my story my cure in my sig).

Here's what I take each day:

1 Multi (I believe the brand is important and the one I've had success with is One 'N' Only)
1 Cod liver oil
750mg of Magnesium
32.5mg of iodine
(I was experiencing some anxiety attacks a couple weeks ago and dropped my dose to try and figure out why I was having them, thought maybe I had reached sufficiency... realized what was happening, I was taking them at night because that's when I'm least nauseous, my body was trying to wind down but the vits were trying to wind up oops!)
1 Chromium with Vanadium pill (source naturals)
1 selenium (futurebiotics)
3000mg vit c (NSI brand)
I've also added inositol but still nauseous so skipping that giant horse pill til nausea passes...

Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions!
post #138 of 710
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
A brand of cod liver oil. *Fermented* Blue Ice is currently the only brand of CLO that doesn't use synthetic vitamins. (AFAIK)
No, we use Radiant Life which is the natural A and D only as well.
post #139 of 710
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Originally Posted by Panserbjørne View Post
: I appreciate it! Off to look now. I haven't seen it offered in 50 mg pills. That's good info to have!
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Iodoral.htm
post #140 of 710
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In regards to candida and yeast infections...
Caution killing-off candida, if one has or had mercury fillings in their teeth. It releases mercury into blood circulation to be redeposited in organs, brain and breastmilk. Taking Vit C, selenium, clay, (zeolite?) could help to bind the mercury for excretion.


Pat
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