THE Iodine Thread - Page 8

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Caution killing-off candida, if one has or had mercury fillings in their teeth. It releases mercury into blood circulation to be redeposited in organs, brain and breastmilk. Taking Vit C, selenium, clay, (zeolite?) could help to bind the mercury for excretion.


Pat

This.

[JTA Mom]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Caution killing-off candida, if one has or had mercury fillings in their teeth. It releases mercury into blood circulation to be redeposited in organs, brain and breastmilk. Taking Vit C, selenium, clay, (zeolite?) could help to bind the mercury for excretion.


Pat

Ok, so how much of those other supplements do I need to take to have 'sufficient' binding?

Honestly, I don't think I'm ready to take 15 different supplements to get 'better'. I mean, seriously, I 'need' to take iodine, cod liver oil, magnesium, a multi, vit c, selenium AND clay???? And those last three are to counteract the magnesium & iodine side effects (candida die off)? How in the world is this any better than pharmaceuticals??? I'm not a pill popper. The only thing I take religiously is a round of antibiotics because I HAVE to. It just seems really unnatural to me to have to take ALL those supplements. If I need so much support for iodine, then maybe it's not a good thing to take, kwim?


Ami

[Panserbjorne]

any reputable source that talks about iodine also talks about the other supplements as well. It is important to support your body in detoxification. Iodine is essential and quite natural. What is NOT natural is what we have done to our bodies. It takes time and effort to undo damage.

It's better than pharmaceuticals because all of these things are essential to life. All of these things work to increase vitality. All of these things work to nourish your body and create optimal health.

This isn't (IMO) a rest of your life regimen. This is restoration.

[JaneS]

Believe me I understand the frustration, however...

Pharmaceuticals damage your health, nutrition can heal you... simple as that.

Pharmaceuticals only make you think you are getting better but you are not fixing anything in your body. Your disease state only continues.

It is "unnatural" because living in a toxic world, consuming substandard nutrient-deficient food for all of our life, is unnatural and leads to disease.

What are you taking antibx for?

[JTA Mom]

I'm not taking antibiotics. I'm not taking pharmaceuticals. It just feels overwhelming to have to take soooo many pills. It reminds me of dh's grandparents who are on crazy amounts of pharmaceuticals, where some of them are there to just counteract the side effects of others.

I understand that soil quality isn't great, but something feels wrong about taking all these refined supplements, some of which are just to counteract the side effects of others. It's one thing to take cod liver oil and Lugols, quite another to say that now I need to add selenium, clay and magnesium and (insert other supplement) to stay healthy while taking iodine. Not to mention expensive. That, and I'm not finding any sites that are saying much beyond 'take iodine, vit c, magnesium and vit b.' Where is all this info coming from?

There's even less info on detoxing. I'm not looking to detox, I'm looking to increase my thyroid function. I've been diagnosed with adrenal failure, which, through study, I've found is more a function of thyroid insufficiency. If detoxing is a side effect, ok. But I don't want to poison my bf baby either. I'm doing child-led weaning, so I'm not going to wean him just to do this. On the other hand, I don't want to overload him on metals. I know I have mercury in my system (hello 13 amalgam fillings), I just don't want to do anything to endanger ds. Now I'm being told that if I supplement with iodine & magnesium, I'm going to have massive detox AND that I need to take a bunch more supplements that may bind with it. I'm not finding the info elsewhere about this, and it's extremely frustrating.

How about, from now on, when things like detoxing or candida die-off or whatever else is brought up, links are added so we can get more specific info? It's easy to say take 'these' things to counteract detox, quite another to find out reasoning, dosages, etc.

Ami

[MyLittleWonders]

Ami, I can totally hear your frustration. And believe me, there are many days (and I sure there still will be more) when I hate taking everything I take. But, I try to look at it this way: everything I am taking is to heal my body and nourish it deeply. Honestly, nothing I am taking is from the view-point of detoxing, though I know some of what I am taking will cause detoxing and some of what I am taking will help mop up the detoxing.

Though we eat fairly well (gluten free, food additive free, whole foods, mostly from scratch and rarely eat out), I know we are still not getting what we need from our food. Plus, I have generations of healing to do (as I am guessing most everyone on this thread, plus the adrenal thread, plus the allergy thread). My mom was/is hypothyroid. Her mom was/is hypothyroid. They also both have symptoms of adrenal fatigue. We have family history of cavities. (Fortunately, I *only* had two; one is now a root canal/crown. ) We have generations of undernourishment to correct. My boys have generations upon their bodies to correct. This is a long-term healing rather than a quick, pharmaceutical symptom-based bandaid.

We take a multi to get a broad range of vitamins/minerals. We take a B-complex, which is very important for the nervous system, plus well-functioning pathways. We take vitamin C for all it's benefits. We take iodine to correct a long-term deficiency. (Remember, generations of deficiencies here.) We take magnesium because of it's numerous functions in the body. We eat a Brazil nut a day to help up our selenium - another very important nutrient. We take MSM for the sulfate. Dh and I both have issues with connective tissues (torn meniscuses). The sulfate not only nourishes the connective tissues, but it too is important for well functioning pathways. We take vitamin D to help correct long term deficiency. We also take cod liver oil for the A & D, fish oil (to maximize our intake of omega 3's to reduce inflammation and also nourish our nerves).

I am also still nursing my 3 year old. I know I am probably mobilizing something as I take all this. But I also know he is getting benefit from everything I am taking as well. (We also have the boys on a high-quality children's to help them correct their deficiencies while still young - Brainchild Nutritionals.) Maybe if you can see what you are taking as beneficial for you, instead of just seeing as needing X to heal something and then Y and Z just to help detox from X, it might be easier. Every nutrient you are taking is important in and of itself. Yes, some also have the benefit of helping you detox. But, ultimately, what you are doing is nourishing your body deeply. And you need each of those different nutrients to do that. We, as a people, are severely deficient in so many key nutrients. Why do you think people pop so many pills? They are trying to cover up symptoms caused by severe deficiencies. If they were to take as many pills, but instead make them high quality nutrients, then they could heal. That is what you are doing. That is what we are all doing. We are healing.

There are definintely up days and down days. There are times I don't want anything to do with anything I take. Last night I consciously went to bed without taking my cod liver oil or fish oil. I just didn't want to put one more thing in me at the time. And tonight, I'll make sure I take it. But, ultimately, everything is for a purpose, and that purpose is to break the cycle of deficiency and illness and bring deep healing.

[Panserbjorne]

Okay, I guess *I'm* a little confused because I feel like the links you are asking for have been provided. I'm sorry it feels overwhelming to you, I know it can be hard to start learning about this stuff.

Here's one citation: http://drshevin.com/patient_educatio...deficiency.php
"It is also worth noting that no nutritional factor works in isolation. Other nutritional factors which strongly influence thyroid function and iodine biochemistry include Selenium, Magnesium, Iron, Vitamin A, Niacin (Vitamin B-3), and Riboflavin (vitamin B-2). This list should not be considered to be complete, however."
He also mentions vitamin C and in other places talks about D too. The A and D can be taken in cod liver oil, assuming you have a brand that retains the natural vitamins.

There are plenty of others that Nichole and Jane linked to as well.

I think it's worth mentioning that you aren't taking a bunch of pills to counter the affects of iodine. That's not correct. You are taking supplements to allow the body to use it properly. IF you take calcium without magnesium you could end up with muscle cramps, depression, migraines, etc. It is important to have magnesium and potassium to balance the calcium. This is the same thing. Also, selenium provides the cofactors for thyroid hormone synthesis. If you thyroid isn't functioning this is how you help it. It will also, as a bonus, help with detox.

I will also point out that what Pat posted about candida was in response to a previous post about candida die off. This has been discussed, with links quite a bit elsewhere on the board. When you start with iodine supplementation there generally is a die off and Jane did post the link to the salt flush to deal with it. The point of most of this (IMO) is simply if you start feeling crappy there are reasons to consider. The release of mercury (if it happens) won't be noticable to many people. But to those it is, it's nice to understand why and know there are things you can do.

Again, the detox portion doesnt' last forever and we are talking about more like a month of two of support in many cases.

I will let the three link queens (Pat, Jane and Nichole) swoop in to add more! I learned much of this in school and have other things on my mind now-I dont' have all of them at my fingertips.

[babygrace]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Caution killing-off candida, if one has or had mercury fillings in their teeth. It releases mercury into blood circulation to be redeposited in organs, brain and breastmilk. Taking Vit C, selenium, clay, (zeolite?) could help to bind the mercury for excretion.
Pat

is candida the agent, then, that transports mercury from site of origin to various other parts of the body? just trying to understand the mechanism involved here. thanks!

[dannic]

Wow, what a great thread (and so timely, too!) Def. subbing!

[JTA Mom]

MyLittleWonders & Panserbjorne, thank you for your views. It is much more helpful to view it from a support aspect rather than the deductive view I was using. I just am very anxious about detoxing all these nasty things to ds. There's autism on dh's side of the family, so the thought of suddenly loading mercury into my breastmilk just has me scared.:

I believe in generational deficiencies. I know there is some calcium/magnesium issues in my family, almost all of us have cavity issues & really weak teeth. There's also thalassemia in my family somewhere (Greek background). I have an incredibly mild form of it, but due to it I can't be a vegetarian and need really easy to access forms of iron regularly (so lots of red meat like lamb, & dark meats of poultry, etc). Ds is/was? deficient in iron. I think he may have inherited that condition too. So far he's been eating a lot of nutrient dense foods naturally (I think I had the only 1 yr old whose fave veggie was asparagus, lol). I'm just worried about 'overloading' his system.

On the iodine links, there's a ton of them. My frustration was when the candida die-off was mentioned as letting loose a lot of mercury, that the suggestions to take care of it where mentioned, but no link given. Maybe I'm not using Google well, because when I googled magnesium & candida die-off I didn't find any protocols.

Ami

[lactationmom]

Do any of you experts know if I can do all the iodine supplementation (I ordered iodine, selenium, magnesium and siberian ginseng...already have vit c and calcium) while breastfeeding? I have a 2 year old I don't plan on weaning anytime soon but I also have a mouthfull of metal fillings (thank you military upbringing!) that are not removed yet (have to wean toddler first).

Love this thread, it is confusing at first, I have read, re-read and re-read it over and over. It really makes sense overall. I am going to tell everyone I know about it, I think everyone needs this information!

Plus, I did some serious searching on prices and got great deals at vitaminshoppe.com and amazon.com. I got the iodine book recommended here somewhere on half.com for only $14!!! I ordered it last night and it shipped today.

:

[MyLittleWonders]

I'm curious how much iodine can be taken at once? (Basically is there an upper limit of what the body will absorb/utilize at one time?) Right now I am only taking two Iodoral a day (one in the morning and one at night), but plan on increasing and was hoping that I could take 2 at one time without wasting any of it. (I do okay if I only have to remember to take things twice a day, but if I have to try and fit things in the middle, I start missing doses.)

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by JTA Mom

MyLittleWonders & Panserbjorne, thank you for your views. It is much more helpful to view it from a support aspect rather than the deductive view I was using. I just am very anxious about detoxing all these nasty things to ds. There's autism on dh's side of the family, so the thought of suddenly loading mercury into my breastmilk just has me scared.:

My frustration was when the candida die-off was mentioned as letting loose a lot of mercury, that the suggestions to take care of it where mentioned, but no link given.
Ami

I'm glad it helped. I also understand your concern. However I will also say (and I'm certain others will chime in) that passing the iodine along with what you are detoxing should help your ds detox in his own right. My kids all have diagnosed metal issues which are pretty extreme, as do I. I still chose after much research to supplement iodine in high doses while nursing an infant and a toddler. I know you aren't me, but I just wanted to let you know that from what I read I felt it was the right thing to do.

The autism in the family means that you should be vigilant (IMO) about detox pathways. Your ds may needs you to have that additional support.

And to another poster: candida and mercury have a symbiotic relationship. Mercury binds to the biotin receptor sites which allows candida to thrive (which it will do in the absence of biotin.) When you kill off candida (which has sequestered mercury for it's survival) it releases it into the bloodstream/tissues/organs.

[treemom2]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Actually Abraham recommends a month on supplements, THEN start iodine.

Magnesium is very important as an antioxidant on iodine supplementation. Abraham says any problems people have with iodine they are on a too high amount of calcium (he says 2000-3000 milligrams per day). He recommends 1200mg. per day. This should be spread out, it's a pretty high dose and might cause diarrhea.

I like www.IHerb.com for supplements myself, been ordering monthly for years and never been disappointed.

New customers can get $5 off with code: BOS439.

I do like Whole Foods for trying anything new though b/c their return policy is so easy.

Do you order your iodine supplement from here? If so, which one?

[so_fetch]

Originally Posted by JaneS

We have iodine receptors all over our body.
The mineral iodine is an essential one. Essential for the health of many more organs and hormones and bodily processes than just the thyroid. We have receptors for iodine not just on the thyroid but also: the breast, uterus, prostate, skin, pancreas, saliva glands, stomach, intestines, choroid plexus (brain) and eye.

Iodine is required by every single cell in the body. It is connected to the manufacture of every hormone in the body including estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, insulin, aldosterone, etc. So it starts to make sense that deficiency can lead to so many different disorders other than the more commonly known goiter.

I just joined so forgive me for responding for the first post on such a very long thread. This statement confuses me though. I had thyroid cancer and as part of my treatment I received a dose of radioactive iodine. This was meant to kill off any remaining thyroid cells (I had already had my thyroid surgically removed). How then, if iodine is used by organs of the body besides the thyroid, would this treatment make sense? Can someone please explain?

[aris99]

which one did that??? WOWEE!

I've had stomach ache for most of the day most likely from eating sunflower seed butter....I just took 2 iodorals, about 400mg mag and 1/2 cup of goodbelly (AKA belly button by my 3yo) (has an amt of selenium and probiotics) and I am almost 100% better....which one did that?!

[lactationmom]

Code JAM268 can also get you $5 off your order at www.iherb.com (for new customers-once you become a regular customer iherb will give you a code you can share for $5 off and if someone uses it then you will get a small percentage, like 1%).)

I love iherb.com, they have fantastic prices and free shipping and if you order a lot, even more of a discount. They even have TONS of shampoos, body care, baby care, etc and it's all organic/natural and the best brands. You can practically buy everything but groceries there.:

[Theloose]

I'm curious. So the Japanese eating a ton of sea veggies is what's always sited as proof that lots of iodine is 'normal' and healthy, yeah? And we're saying that since we have such longstanding deficiencies, we need a more purified form to counteract that. Because lots of us are bromine toxic, and that bromine competes with iodine. So we're cautioned against using kelp as a source of iodine because it has so much bromine in it as well.

Here's my question: once the deficiency is corrected and we're no longer bromine toxic, what makes us think that we need a full 12.5mg (or whatever) iodine? Because at that point, we're not using it theraputically any more, right? And sure, kelp has that much, but it also has lots of bromine, and the bromine competes with iodine. What makes us think the Japanese are actually getting that much useable iodine from diet?

Can you see the circle I'm stuck in? Are there other major food sources of iodine that are not also significant sources of bromine?

[TopazBlueMama]

hmm..good point whoMe

[ChristSavesAll]

They tested the amount that the japanese excrete through urine... I'm NAK so I can't put much but wanted to pop in... also I found some info, I'll have to see if I can find the link that says bf Japanese babies get around 20mg iodine from mommas milk... be back later...

Oh btw they've been getting iodine since before birth, there iodine stores have been passed down through the generations. This is my theory, that there was a lesser amount of bromide previously than there is now, as we have contributed to so much pollution in the water... So the Japanese maintain their sufficiency because they have always had high amounts of iodine that their bodies are able to quickly and efficiently excrete the bromide before it settles... hope that makes sense.. will see what I can find to back it up...