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post #201 of 710
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Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo View Post
is constipation a detox sign? The only way I've been comfortable the past few days is by taking 700 mg of mag. Being able two ingest that much mag is a new experience for me. I normally can't do more than 150. (I am taking taurine which is increasing mag bowel tolerance.) I am trying to drink more than normal to help myself out. I've tried a salt flush two times and I just end up feeling puffy, no extra pee. I'm taking two drops of Lugol's a day.
I've seen that doing stuff to mobilize toxins increases my nutrient needs--is your mag need going up just after the iodine, or after the taurine, or both? I was assuming the first.

I didn't pee extra after trying the salt flush, I think my adrenals meant that on an ongoing basis, I haven't been holding onto sodium properly. If you keep trying, maybe that would change? If you get fully hydrated first (if it's the same as the issue I'm having). Though I didn't feel puffy, I just noticed I felt better for the next day or two (energy-wise).
post #202 of 710
ok, I've been taking 12.5mg iodine for 3 days and I"m sleeping horribly. I'm taking between 1200 & 1500mg of mag. too and I'm definitely at bowel tolerance.
post #203 of 710
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is constipation a detox sign?

Yes, especially yeast die-off.
post #204 of 710
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ok, I've been taking 12.5mg iodine for 3 days and I"m sleeping horribly. I'm taking between 1200 & 1500mg of mag. too and I'm definitely at bowel tolerance.
Since you're nursing, I'd say stop and try to work on catching up with what's mobilized.
post #205 of 710
I have slowly upped my iodine intake to 2 1/2 Iodoral (31.5 mg approx.). Over the last week or so, I have had two nights where I had very vivid and somewhat disturbing dreams that once I wake from them, I'm up for about an hour with very heightened anxiety/anxiety attacks. Is this from the Iodine? Should I stop the iodine? Back way off to 1 pill a day? I'm taking magnesium (probably 600 mg a day), I get at least 125 mcg of selenium a day, and if I remember to eat a Brazil nut, I get more. I can't keep having these dreams/anxiety issues at night though. Help.
post #206 of 710
OK, I just got my results back:

Spot urinary iodide level - .142 mg/l

24 hr urinary iodine test

total iodine excredted 43.674 mg (from 50 mg loading dose)
% excreted 87%

So is this good or bad? Because below it says that if I excrete more than 90% I might have one of several problems and 90% is pretty close to 87%. How would I know for sure if I have one of these other problems?
post #207 of 710
Where do i find an iodine friendly doc?I tried the links provided but didn't seem to work
post #208 of 710
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
OK, I just got my results back:

Spot urinary iodide level - .142 mg/l

24 hr urinary iodine test

total iodine excredted 43.674 mg (from 50 mg loading dose)
% excreted 87%

So is this good or bad? Because below it says that if I excrete more than 90% I might have one of several problems and 90% is pretty close to 87%. How would I know for sure if I have one of these other problems?
What is the normal range for spot levels?
post #209 of 710
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What is the normal range for spot levels?
So my level was .142 mg/l

WHO define any measurement below .10 mg/l as an iodine deficiency.

But the thing that concerned me was the part where it said if I excrete "too much" I may have trouble utilizing or absorbing iodine. How would I know?

And the iodine seems to keep me up at night.
post #210 of 710
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Where do i find an iodine friendly doc?I tried the links provided but didn't seem to work
did you try this link? This is the one I have on 1st page for practitioners
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/ipractitioners.html

There is also another page here but I don't know if it's the same ppl or not:
http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com...titioners.html

If there is any other link not working, please lmk.
post #211 of 710
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
So my level was .142 mg/l

WHO define any measurement below .10 mg/l as an iodine deficiency.

But the thing that concerned me was the part where it said if I excrete "too much" I may have trouble utilizing or absorbing iodine. How would I know?

And the iodine seems to keep me up at night.
You mean "defective cellular transfer" ... this description is measured by serum which is different?

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her baseline serum iodide level was only 0.016 mg/L, compared to the expected levels of 0.85-1.3 mg/L in those with whole body iodine sufficiency.
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-20/IOD_20.htm

Looking for "spot levels"...
post #212 of 710
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Chlobo,

You didn't take iodine before the spot test did you?

The triple test of loading dose urine, saliva and serum would confirm a defective cellular transfer issue.

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Combining the loading test with the measurements of serum and saliva iodide 24 hours post-load gives an assessment of iodine sufficiency of the whole body and efficiency of the cellular uptake and utilization of peripheral iodide.(16) This is called the triple test for the combined assessment of sufficiency and efficiency.
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-18/IOD_18.htm
post #213 of 710
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Sorry, I'm really not trying to break my own record of so many posts in a row!

I'm afraid to say the loading test doesn't tell you if you are just excreting a lot of iodine or if you are really sufficient.

The saliva/serum iodide ratio as an index of sodium/iodide symporter efficiency
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-13/IOD_13.htm


Evidence of Defective Cellular Oxidation and Organification of Iodide in a Female with Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-20/IOD_20.htm
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In patients with normal gastrointestinal absorption of iodine but with a very defective iodine retention system, the absorbed iodine is quantitatively excreted in the urine with little or no retention.5 In these cases, the loading test will suggest whole body iodine sufficiency (90% or more excreted), but the serum inorganic iodide levels 24 hours after the iodine load will remain low (less than 0.13 mg/L). The inefficient iodine retention mechanism could be due to either an inefficient cellular iodine transport system or to an inefficient oxidation and organification of the intracellular iodide, or possibly both
The spot test is only useful to tell you how much iodine you are ingesting per day.
post #214 of 710
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Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders View Post
I have slowly upped my iodine intake to 2 1/2 Iodoral (31.5 mg approx.). Over the last week or so, I have had two nights where I had very vivid and somewhat disturbing dreams that once I wake from them, I'm up for about an hour with very heightened anxiety/anxiety attacks. Is this from the Iodine? Should I stop the iodine? Back way off to 1 pill a day? I'm taking magnesium (probably 600 mg a day), I get at least 125 mcg of selenium a day, and if I remember to eat a Brazil nut, I get more. I can't keep having these dreams/anxiety issues at night though. Help.
I would back off. Are you taking vitamin C? Do you have any headaches?
post #215 of 710
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Actually my username is a reference to Mean Girls! I never even thought of the Ruff Ruffaman connection!

I've been thinking about the article that you linked to about iodine inducing apoptosis in thyroid cells. If it does (and it certainly seems to) wouldn't taking iodine supplements be bad for you? Obviously everyone needs some iodine, but if a normally healthy person gets iodine from things like salt and seafood and then gets even MORE iodine from supplements, wouldn't that kill off some thyroid cells and cause them to develop hypothyroidism?
There is not much iodine in salt and seafood. Iodine research reveal that 13.8mg per day average intake of coastal Japanese is the amount that the body needs for both thyroid and other body cells for women, when the body is sufficiently stocked. We are exposed to and have extreme body burdens of other halides which are toxic to our cells, including blocking iodine in the thyroid. So other factors which may require more iodine is larger breasts, obesity, high toxin/halide exposure.

Apoptosis would only apply to cells needing to die, it doesn't cause cells in the thyroid or other places which are living their normal life cycle to die off randomly! Lack of apoptosis, lack of iodine that induces it, is what can lead to thyroid nodules and goiter. And other conditions throughout the body: ovarian cysts, uterine fibroids, fibrocystic breasts, and keloids.... abnormal cells which collect and grow b/c they have not undergone normal apoptosis.

I also want to add that I wonder if skin cancer is influenced by iodine deficiency?

Since the skin comprises 20% of our 1500 mg. body load. Interesting to think about.
post #216 of 710
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Can one of you more knowledgeable ladies give your opinion on what I have experienced since being on and off Iodoral? Perhaps some information has already been posted that I missed. I saw a soon to be naturopath in April and filled out several detailed pages concerning my health and diet. She and another educated friend seperately suggested Iodoral for symptoms I have experienced for some time - low energy, foggy brain, cold feet, breast cysts. I was warned by my friend that in rare instances the iodine could lead to a hyperthyroid state. I usually do more in depth research, but this time got some basic information, looked at the potential benefits, and thought that it made sense to try the iodine. We currently have no income coming in and are trying to get by until we have some means, so I did not do the testing. I started out at 50 mg because that is what the naturopath ordered for me. The first week I had more energy and maybe only a day of possible detox symptoms, and a couple of people said I was glowing. After two weeks, I woke up warm and jittery in the middle of the night and decided to go down to 25 mg. The third week I had severe headaches, red eyes that just felt weird (like air moving around them), and increased potty runs, so I cut back again to approximately 12 mg, and then after the fourth week stopped completely. I've continued to have terrible headaches.

I have been off for two weeks, and I keep feeling warm in the middle of the night and the first half of the day. Our house is kept at 76 degrees, and I keep wearing a sleeveless shirt, drinking ice water, standing in the freezer, and still feeling warm. Aside from warmth, I hadn't been jittery until the last couple of days. I feel completely exhausted again, like I am unable to cope, highly irritable, and afraid that I have permanently messed up my thyroid and put it into a hyper state by not being more cautious.

I might add that I do tend to magnify whatever is going on in my life at the time, so I don't know if perhaps I am being hyper-SENSITIVE to the possibility of a problem, experiecing detox or withdrawal symptoms, or if I've got a hyper thyroid state now instead of the previously presumed (but not confirmed) hypo state. My resting heart beat was already at a high 100 before the iodine and I've had a tremor since I was in the fourth grade, so those symptom indicators don't help me much.

So, I'd really love some feedback from those who have read, experienced more about what may be going on as I am afraid right now of having done permanent harm and we really don't have the means for me to do the thyroid testing and iodine testing, though I suppose there's always a way. Even if I wait until I can do the testing, should I be taking the support supplements? I have magnesium, wheat germ oil for E, CLO, sea salt, and brewer's yeast for B vitamins (though it looked like it would take 26 TB of the yeast to reach the amount of B vitamins recommended on the Breast Cancer Choices site which references iodine usage). Thank you so much for posting this thread, and please help!
I think it's possible you might have autoimmune thyroid illness: Grave's or Hashimoto's. The latter is confirmed by antibodies in the blood. Not sure how Grave's is dx.

Dr. Brownstein treats his autoimmune patients as deficient in iodine and antioxidants. The B vitamins (ATP Co factors 100mg B2 and 500mg B3 1-3x per day) in addition to iodine are essential to treating. And vitamin C up to 10 grams per day he says. And magnesium. And salt flushes. I would be taking all of these w/o the iodine pending testing.

Selenium is also very important for autoimmune patients too I believe.

I think it's also possible from your symptoms such as headaches and others that you are bromide toxic.

What I would do in your case is get conventional blood testing done for thyroid including free T3 and free T4 as well as antibodies (I think there are two types). And the iodine loading/bromide testing. And read Brownstein's book.

I know how it is not to have the $ believe me.
post #217 of 710
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I'll never get her to see anyone.
I can sympathize. Both my father and one of my best friends have thyroid nodules. It's very frustrating to have them ask their doctors and they say high iodine is dangerous and not the cause... then they let me have it. :
post #218 of 710
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I would back off. Are you taking vitamin C? Do you have any headaches?
I am taking vitamin C (SA), but some days only get 2000 mg. I always have a headache (seriously, my mom used to joke that when I was old and dead, my tombstone would read "I have a headache"). I think I was probably doing fine on 1 1/2 and maybe 2 tablets of Iodoral. Today I have had none and don't plan on taking any until I feel the anxiety is gone (it's much better today, but Rescue Remedy has still been my friend as has salt). I think when I do start back up, I'll start again with only 1/2 pill for a long while. I have no need to push this all too fast and despite toxic hair analysis, I more than likely have mercury issues to deal with as well. I just cannot do anxiety attacks in the middle of the night as the anxiety, though it diminishes throughout the day, stays with me for about 24 hours.
post #219 of 710
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post
did you try this link? This is the one I have on 1st page for practitioners
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/ipractitioners.html

There is also another page here but I don't know if it's the same ppl or not:
http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com...titioners.html

If there is any other link not working, please lmk.
thank you
post #220 of 710
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post
Well it sounds from Stephanie from Natural Thyroid Choices that there are thyroid cancer patients just treating with iodine and nutrients. I don't know if Brownstein does it, as I said she is his patient, maybe there is more on her Yahoo group. I'll have to keep my eyes open.
I know of multiple people who've had their thyroid RAI'd or removed or both that are supplementing with iodine, if they had cancer that's even more proof of their deficiency.

Did you know that a person can regrow their thyroid? It is possible with a diet that is rich in iodine, and yes you do want to grow it back, it's essential. The only reason why a person developed cancer of the thyroid in the first place is due to deficiency, just like breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, skin cancer, prostate cancer....

I'm unable to but perhaps Jane could add a link to the cancer page on my site...
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