THE Iodine Thread - Page 12

[ChristSavesAll]

Originally Posted by SeekerJayne

Can one of you more knowledgeable ladies give your opinion on what I have experienced since being on and off Iodoral? Perhaps some information has already been posted that I missed. I saw a soon to be naturopath in April and filled out several detailed pages concerning my health and diet. She and another educated friend seperately suggested Iodoral for symptoms I have experienced for some time - low energy, foggy brain, cold feet, breast cysts. I was warned by my friend that in rare instances the iodine could lead to a hyperthyroid state. I usually do more in depth research, but this time got some basic information, looked at the potential benefits, and thought that it made sense to try the iodine. We currently have no income coming in and are trying to get by until we have some means, so I did not do the testing. I started out at 50 mg because that is what the naturopath ordered for me. The first week I had more energy and maybe only a day of possible detox symptoms, and a couple of people said I was glowing. After two weeks, I woke up warm and jittery in the middle of the night and decided to go down to 25 mg. The third week I had severe headaches, red eyes that just felt weird (like air moving around them), and increased potty runs, so I cut back again to approximately 12 mg, and then after the fourth week stopped completely. I've continued to have terrible headaches.

I have been off for two weeks, and I keep feeling warm in the middle of the night and the first half of the day. Our house is kept at 76 degrees, and I keep wearing a sleeveless shirt, drinking ice water, standing in the freezer, and still feeling warm. Aside from warmth, I hadn't been jittery until the last couple of days. I feel completely exhausted again, like I am unable to cope, highly irritable, and afraid that I have permanently messed up my thyroid and put it into a hyper state by not being more cautious.

I might add that I do tend to magnify whatever is going on in my life at the time, so I don't know if perhaps I am being hyper-SENSITIVE to the possibility of a problem, experiecing detox or withdrawal symptoms, or if I've got a hyper thyroid state now instead of the previously presumed (but not confirmed) hypo state. My resting heart beat was already at a high 100 before the iodine and I've had a tremor since I was in the fourth grade, so those symptom indicators don't help me much.

So, I'd really love some feedback from those who have read, experienced more about what may be going on as I am afraid right now of having done permanent harm and we really don't have the means for me to do the thyroid testing and iodine testing, though I suppose there's always a way. Even if I wait until I can do the testing, should I be taking the support supplements? I have magnesium, wheat germ oil for E, CLO, sea salt, and brewer's yeast for B vitamins (though it looked like it would take 26 TB of the yeast to reach the amount of B vitamins recommended on the Breast Cancer Choices site which references iodine usage). Thank you so much for posting this thread, and please help!

What else were you taking when you decided to supplement iodine? It is very important to support your detox pathways to help your body properly excrete the heavy metals that are in your body...

CLO
Magnesium
Vitamin C
And a good multi vitamin are a must (personal fave that I and many friends and family have used with success is one 'n' only)... but that's just with small doses of iodine, bigger doses require more...

Like more selenium, I take 300mcg a day
Chromium and Vanadium
higher dose of vitamin C (3000mg) and mag (500-1000mg)

[ChristSavesAll]

Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders

I am taking vitamin C (SA), but some days only get 2000 mg. I always have a headache (seriously, my mom used to joke that when I was old and dead, my tombstone would read "I have a headache"). I think I was probably doing fine on 1 1/2 and maybe 2 tablets of Iodoral. Today I have had none and don't plan on taking any until I feel the anxiety is gone (it's much better today, but Rescue Remedy has still been my friend as has salt). I think when I do start back up, I'll start again with only 1/2 pill for a long while. I have no need to push this all too fast and despite toxic hair analysis, I more than likely have mercury issues to deal with as well. I just cannot do anxiety attacks in the middle of the night as the anxiety, though it diminishes throughout the day, stays with me for about 24 hours.

What all are you taking again?

Iodine
Mag
and vit c?

It seems that a lot of people on here are unaware of how important it is to supplement ALL you vitamins and minerals. Our bodies are deficient in all of them in one way or another and when you start supping high doses of others, such as iodine and vit c you need more of all the others..

One n Only seriously is an awesome multi, take a look here to read the info on how much of each vitamin and mineral is in it.

Selenium is also an important factor, http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/87/4/1687

One must be sure to supplement appropriately.

[Junegoddess]

I read through the first several pages of this thread, as best I can with scattered attention... and I just couldn't wait any longer. I'm 9 1/2 weeks pregnant, and really want to make sure my iodine level is good, but probably have a lot of detoxing to do... yikes.

I'm guessing I should start low and increase slowly?? I have not managed to understand the detox pathway stuff, although I've tried to set aside time to read up on it.

So many sources say iodine is critical during pregnancy, but... what if I suddenly start dumping bromine and mercury? And fluoride.. our city water is fluoridated, and also so HARD that it breaks every decent water filter I've bought. Can't do a whole house system quite yet, although we are hoping to buy a house soon.

Anyway... since the pills are such a high dose, I'm thinking I need one of the liquid supplements, so I can water it down. What do you think?

[MyLittleWonders]

Originally Posted by ChristSavesAll

What all are you taking again?

Iodine
Mag
and vit c?

It seems that a lot of people on here are unaware of how important it is to supplement ALL you vitamins and minerals. Our bodies are deficient in all of them in one way or another and when you start supping high doses of others, such as iodine and vit c you need more of all the others..

One n Only seriously is an awesome multi, take a look here to read the info on how much of each vitamin and mineral is in it.

Selenium is also an important factor, http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/87/4/1687

One must be sure to supplement appropriately.

I do a multi every day (which has 125 mcg of selenium in it),
magnesium (about 600 mg a day, a bit more when I feel I need it),
vitamin C (I try for at least 2000 grams a day, sometimes I'm good and get more),
B-Complex
vitamin D (2000 IU on its own),
CLO & fish oil (though I haven't the last few days because it has sounded rather disgusting for a strange reason - plan to restart today, but just in the middle of the day probably with food),
MSM (4000 mg a day, though I try to do 5000 mg a day when I remember),
GABA (1500 mg a day).

I just restarted a supplement my ND had me start back in November (I stopped in January or so to see if it was "essential" or not) called AdreneVive; it has Siberian Ginseng in it, L-Theanine, PhosphatidylSerene, plus a few other herbs in it.

I think that is everything I'm taking. I am a bit scared to restart the iodine, though I know I was doing fine on the smaller doses. Oh, I also try to get a Brazil nut in me every day to up the selenium. I want to make sure I'm back to a more baseline level of anxiety and then I might restart very, very slowly. Any suggestions?

[JTA Mom]

Nichole, is there anything extra (other than vitamins/minerals) that you take to help with detoxing stuff, like metals?

I know you were ebf when you started iodine, and since ds is still bf, I want to take everything I can to make sure that what I do detox is sent out other ways than in breast milk.

For starting out, do you think I should get a liquid supplement or go with the iodoral? If a liquid supplement, which brand do you recommend?

Originally Posted by 1 Multi (I believe the brand is important and the one I've had success with is One 'N' Only)
1 Cod liver oil[COLOR="Plum"

Do you have a brand preference for CLO?[/COLOR]
750mg of Magnesium How do you get this amount? Online all I seem able to find is 500mg tablets. Is it ok to split them? Also, does it matter what type of magnesium it is?
32.5mg of iodine (I was experiencing some anxiety attacks a couple weeks ago and dropped my dose to try and figure out why I was having them, thought maybe I had reached sufficiency... realized what was happening, I was taking them at night because that's when I'm least nauseous, my body was trying to wind down but the vits were trying to wind up oops!)
1 Chromium with Vanadium pill (source naturals)
1 selenium (futurebiotics)
3000mg vit c (NSI brand)
I've also added inositol but still nauseous so skipping that giant horse pill til nausea passes...What does the inositol help with?

Thank you!!!

Ami

[mom61508]

thought this was interesting although i live in the US.

http://www.usyd.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=904

[MyLittleWonders]

Ami, I'm not Nichole, but we use Natural Calm magnesium - it's powered and you mix it with hot water to make a "tea". It tastes good, and is a nice bedtime drink around here. 3 teaspoons of the power is about 615 mg. And yes, it does matter the form of magnesium; some are quite bioavailable and some are not at all. IIRC, the Natural Calm is magnesium citrate, which is a good form.

[ChristSavesAll]

Originally Posted by JTA Mom

Nichole, is there anything extra (other than vitamins/minerals) that you take to help with detoxing stuff, like metals?

I know you were ebf when you started iodine, and since ds is still bf, I want to take everything I can to make sure that what I do detox is sent out other ways than in breast milk.

For starting out, do you think I should get a liquid supplement or go with the iodoral? If a liquid supplement, which brand do you recommend?

Thank you!!!

Ami

I began with a liquid supp and it's called Liquid-dulse by Bernard and Jensen, I found it in the "liquid iodine" section at whole foods, for about $3.

One of the best way to help keep detox out of breastmilk is to drink extra water, it helps you to excrete it through your urine.

What I had listed is all I take, I think I mentioned siberian ginseng, but that's just for adrenal support...

I used to use Nature's Way Mag complex, I liked it but wanted to try one with malic acid in it as well so I bought source naturals to try out for now... Haven't seen a difference btw, thinking of switching back.

Inositol is a b vitamin, number 8 actually, here is some info on the importance of it...

Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders

I do a multi every day (which has 125 mcg of selenium in it),
magnesium (about 600 mg a day, a bit more when I feel I need it),
vitamin C (I try for at least 2000 grams a day, sometimes I'm good and get more),
B-Complex
vitamin D (2000 IU on its own),
CLO & fish oil (though I haven't the last few days because it has sounded rather disgusting for a strange reason - plan to restart today, but just in the middle of the day probably with food),
MSM (4000 mg a day, though I try to do 5000 mg a day when I remember),
GABA (1500 mg a day).

I just restarted a supplement my ND had me start back in November (I stopped in January or so to see if it was "essential" or not) called AdreneVive; it has Siberian Ginseng in it, L-Theanine, PhosphatidylSerene, plus a few other herbs in it.

I think that is everything I'm taking. I am a bit scared to restart the iodine, though I know I was doing fine on the smaller doses. Oh, I also try to get a Brazil nut in me every day to up the selenium. I want to make sure I'm back to a more baseline level of anxiety and then I might restart very, very slowly. Any suggestions?

How much do you get of each of the b vitamins?

Are you ok with your bm's at the 600mg, is it possible to try and up it a bit?

I would also look into an additional selenium supplement, you should get at least 200mcg, but up to 400mcg would be beneficial.

How is your iron? Are you getting that in your multi? How much? If none, do you experience lightheadedness when stepping out of the shower or standing up?

Does your multi have chromium or vanadium? How much?

[chlobo]

Nichole,

Do you have any idea how to interpret these results? It makes mer nervous to supplement when it appears I"m not deficient.

OK, I just got my results back:

Spot urinary iodide level - .142 mg/l

24 hr urinary iodine test

total iodine excredted 43.674 mg (from 50 mg loading dose)
% excreted 87%

So is this good or bad? Because below it says that if I excrete more than 90% I might have one of several problems and 90% is pretty close to 87%. How would I know for sure if I have one of these other problems?
__________________

[MyLittleWonders]

Originally Posted by ChristSavesAll

I began with a liquid supp and it's called Liquid-dulse by Bernard and Jense


How much do you get of each of the b vitamins?

Are you ok with your bm's at the 600mg, is it possible to try and up it a bit?

I would also look into an additional selenium supplement, you should get at least 200mcg, but up to 400mcg would be beneficial.

How is your iron? Are you getting that in your multi? How much? If none, do you experience lightheadedness when stepping out of the shower or standing up?

Does your multi have chromium or vanadium? How much?

Of the B's, I'm getting:
Thiamine - 40 mg
Riboflavin - 28.6 mg
Niacin - 80 mg
Folate - 200 mcg
B12 - 100 mcg
Biotin - 80 mcg
B5 - 45 mg
Plus Choline Citrate - 40 mg

I think I do okay on 600 mg. I could probably up it to at least 800 mg without issue, and can add more calcium if I need. It's just making time to do it all, yk?

My multi has 120 mcg of Chromium and 10 mcg of Vanadium in it. I've often suspected low iron as I can get light headed pretty easily. But, I hate taking something for it for fear of taking too much. I've usually just pulled out the black-strap molasses for when I feel I need it. Oh, and today I ate 2 Brazil nuts (can you see I'm trying to avoid taking more supplements?!). I did not take any iodine yet today and probably won't until at least the weekend. I've had a couple episodes in the last 7 months of night time anxiety/panic attacks and I just do not want to experience one again. (The first one was the week before we were diganosed with Adrenal Fatigue - I had not yet started any supplements. I'm guessing it was more from extremely low serotonin. The last two have been just this last week and I think related more to going up to 2 1/2 tablets of Iodoral.)

[mom61508]

When you take all these supps does it matter when? Meaning do you spread them out throughout the day?

[ChristSavesAll]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Nichole,

Do you have any idea how to interpret these results? It makes mer nervous to supplement when it appears I"m not deficient.

OK, I just got my results back:

Spot urinary iodide level - .142 mg/l

24 hr urinary iodine test

total iodine excredted 43.674 mg (from 50 mg loading dose)
% excreted 87%

So is this good or bad? Because below it says that if I excrete more than 90% I might have one of several problems and 90% is pretty close to 87%. How would I know for sure if I have one of these other problems?
__________________

Well, how old are you?

Have you ever supplemented before?

Do you drink fluoridated water? Eat brominated bread? Drink brominated beverages?

Does your family have a history of known thyroid conditions or other symptoms associated with iodine deficiency?

Do you have mercury fillings?

Were you vaccinated as a child?

I'm sorry if you already posted elsewhere, but what all have you been taking?

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by ChristSavesAll

Well, how old are you?

43

Have you ever supplemented before?

no

Do you drink fluoridated water? Eat brominated bread? Drink brominated beverages?

not for the past 8 years but prior to that

Does your family have a history of known thyroid conditions or other symptoms associated with iodine deficiency?

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Mom had thyroid removed due to tumor[/COLOR]

Do you have mercury fillings?

no

Were you vaccinated as a child?

Sadly

I'm sorry if you already posted elsewhere, but what all have you been taking?

I'm not taking iodine. Currently I'm taking

vit d
selenium
zinc
vit b12
vit c
magnesium
mag/calcium
HVCLO

recently stopped a multi-b

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Whome,

I cannot wait until you read the Oxidation and Organification section of Brownstein's new book!

I just got it and devoured it. I think I've likely got bromine issues and perchlorate issues. I'm assuming LA water is coming from the contaminated part of the Colorado River?

I bet the organification of iodine that only happens with 100x the RDA is what I was remembering from the iodine list.

I don't think I posted here, so I'll throw it in. I stopped 3 things this week - iodine (was about 8mg every other day or so), taurine, and switched back to ghee from butter. Dd is a much happier camper. I'm tentatively blaming the iodine. Now I've added in milk thistle and switched from mag citrate pills to natural calm. The Natural Calm definitely is better for me - it's significantly upped my bowel tolerance, woohoo!

From the book reading I've done so far, I think my plan is to really push the salt water (I've only been doing it occasionally and I *know* I've got salt issues), maximize my mag (got to get those Ca channels regulated!) then get dd on iodine herself, then do the loading test for me, but with a 25mg dose instead of the 50mg dose. My intuition is that the slow ramp up just isn't working for us, and I'm just dumping bromine to dd without seeing much of the benefit. I want the loading test so that if dd crashes and burns from it, at least there was some information gained

[MyLittleWonders]

Originally Posted by whoMe

I just got it and devoured it. I think I've likely got bromine issues and perchlorate issues. I'm assuming LA water is coming from the contaminated part of the Colorado River?

Can you tell me a little bit more about perchlorate issues? I have lived my whole life on LA county water (though we have had RO water for the last 3 years and now have a whole-house water softener plus RO for drinking/cooking). I'm trying to find out if my city itself draws its water from the same sources, but it looks like from LA county down to through all of San Diego county gets at least 50% of all water from perchlorate contaminated Colorado River water.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders

Can you tell me a little bit more about perchlorate issues? I have lived my whole life on LA county water (though we have had RO water for the last 3 years and now have a whole-house water softener plus RO for drinking/cooking). I'm trying to find out if my city itself draws its water from the same sources, but it looks like from LA county down to through all of San Diego county gets at least 50% of all water from perchlorate contaminated Colorado River water.

from Brownstein's book:

"[Perchlorate] can damage the iodine transport system (NIS)."
"In large enough doses, the chlorine in perchlorate will displace iodine."
"The entire lower Colorado River is contaminated with perchlorate. The lower Colorado River irrigates more that 1.8 million acres of land which encompasses over 15% of the nation's crops and 13% of the nation's livestock. Approximately 20 million Americans drink water from the Colorado River which is contaminated with perchlorate."
"Perchlorate is known to cross the placenta and can cause in-utero thyroid abnormalities."

So basically, it's another toxic halide, and it's really prevalent, especially in off season lettuce (organic or not). It also talks about all breast milk samples had *some* level of perchlorate, and the amount was inversely correlated to iodide content, so maybe the RDA for iodine for pg/nursing moms should be raised.

[MyLittleWonders]

Originally Posted by whoMe

from Brownstein's book:

"[Perchlorate] can damage the iodine transport system (NIS)."
"In large enough doses, the chlorine in perchlorate will displace iodine."
"The entire lower Colorado River is contaminated with perchlorate. The lower Colorado River irrigates more that 1.8 million acres of land which encompasses over 15% of the nation's crops and 13% of the nation's livestock. Approximately 20 million Americans drink water from the Colorado River which is contaminated with perchlorate."
"Perchlorate is known to cross the placenta and can cause in-utero thyroid abnormalities."

So basically, it's another toxic halide, and it's really prevalent, especially in off season lettuce (organic or not). It also talks about all breast milk samples had *some* level of perchlorate, and the amount was inversely correlated to iodide content, so maybe the RDA for iodine for pg/nursing moms should be raised.

Oh yay. Thanks for the info though. I think I need to work on other nutritional supplementation (more vitamin C, more selenium and more magnesium) before beginning iodine again.

[JayGee]

I just wanted to post a quick update. I started Iodoral (12.5mg) and the One-n-Only multi recommended by Nichole 9 days ago and feel immeasurably better . The fatigue is gone, I am not foggy anymore, and my workouts have improved. I've also dropped 4 pounds. I would like to add in a magnesium and the CLO too, but have to hit the HFS without kiddoes to get those . I did have headaches for the first 4 or 5 days on Iodoral, but they resolved with lots of water (and a hit of caffiene).

Thank you so much for this thread!

[Dera]

I have a question about the vitamin C being mentioned. Why is that one of the important ones here? Isn't vit C easily available in many fruits and veggies? Are many people found to be deficient with symptoms? Does it help with detox?

Thanks!

[ChristSavesAll]

Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders

Of the B's, I'm getting:
Thiamine - 40 mg
Riboflavin - 28.6 mg
Niacin - 80 mg
Folate - 200 mcg
B12 - 100 mcg
Biotin - 80 mcg
B5 - 45 mg
Plus Choline Citrate - 40 mg

I think I do okay on 600 mg. I could probably up it to at least 800 mg without issue, and can add more calcium if I need. It's just making time to do it all, yk?

My multi has 120 mcg of Chromium and 10 mcg of Vanadium in it. I've often suspected low iron as I can get light headed pretty easily. But, I hate taking something for it for fear of taking too much. I've usually just pulled out the black-strap molasses for when I feel I need it. Oh, and today I ate 2 Brazil nuts (can you see I'm trying to avoid taking more supplements?!). I did not take any iodine yet today and probably won't until at least the weekend. I've had a couple episodes in the last 7 months of night time anxiety/panic attacks and I just do not want to experience one again. (The first one was the week before we were diganosed with Adrenal Fatigue - I had not yet started any supplements. I'm guessing it was more from extremely low serotonin. The last two have been just this last week and I think related more to going up to 2 1/2 tablets of Iodoral.)

Ok so a few other questions.. btw I totally understand the fear of having the panic/anxiety attacks, I was recently having some and was racking my brain trying to figure out why. For myself, I was taking my vitamins right before bed, not a good idea at least not taking the iodine that way. I have also been going to bed around 2 in the morning due to dd sleep schedule being off, I've been eating more sugary foods (love ice cream) and I'm also pg, thanks to these things I believe I have restarted my adrenal fatigue.. oh did I also mention that I had stopped taking my siberian ginseng for about 6 weeks and then I started getting the attacks.

So I started taking my vitamins in the morning again, added the ginseng back to my supplement list, started goin to bed a bit sooner, added some iron to my supplement list and so far I havent had another attack since.


So my questions are:

How long have you been doing the iodine now?

Have you been going to bed later than usual or eating more sweets than usual?

I still think that more selenium is important and that along with needing some extra iron may be your problem... glad your taking the brazil nuts, try and up your iron with the molasses and see how that works for you..

Oh and I would start back at only half an iodoral and work up to one and stay there for a few weeks and give your body more time to detox, no need to rush.

Originally Posted by chlobo

43

Have you ever supplemented before?

no

Do you drink fluoridated water? Eat brominated bread? Drink brominated beverages?

not for the past 8 years but prior to that

Does your family have a history of known thyroid conditions or other symptoms associated with iodine deficiency?

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Mom had thyroid removed due to tumor[/color]

Do you have mercury fillings?

no

Were you vaccinated as a child?

Sadly

I'm not taking iodine. Currently I'm taking

vit d
selenium
zinc
vit b12
vit c
magnesium
mag/calcium
HVCLO

recently stopped a multi-b

Based on this I'd say that you aren't sufficient, it is much more likely that you are excreting it all prior to your body being able to utilize it properly..

Although, did you stop taking the iodine for a few days prior to doing the loading test and spot test? I believe I read somewhere that you must stop in order for the test to be accurate.

How long have you been supplementing iodine now?

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