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6/10/09 at 1:47pm
Ok so a few other questions.. btw I totally understand the fear of having the panic/anxiety attacks, I was recently having some and was racking my brain trying to figure out why. For myself, I was taking my vitamins right before bed, not a good idea at least not taking the iodine that way. I have also been going to bed around 2 in the morning due to dd sleep schedule being off, I've been eating more sugary foods (love ice cream) and I'm also pg, thanks to these things I believe I have restarted my adrenal fatigue.. oh did I also mention that I had stopped taking my siberian ginseng for about 6 weeks and then I started getting the attacks.
So I started taking my vitamins in the morning again, added the ginseng back to my supplement list, started goin to bed a bit sooner, added some iron to my supplement list and so far I havent had another attack since.
So my questions are:
How long have you been doing the iodine now?
Have you been going to bed later than usual or eating more sweets than usual?
I still think that more selenium is important and that along with needing some extra iron may be your problem... glad your taking the brazil nuts, try and up your iron with the molasses and see how that works for you..
Oh and I would start back at only half an iodoral and work up to one and stay there for a few weeks and give your body more time to detox, no need to rush.
|Evidence of Defective Cellular Oxidation and Organification of Iodide in a Female with Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue
We previously evaluated one hypothyroid patient with pre-supplementation high urinary excretion of the iodine load.5 The patient, a 52-year-old woman (height 64 inches; weight 140 lbs.), had a past history of hyperthyroidism followed by hypothyroidism and had taken Synthroid 50 µg/day for five years. She developed side effects to orthoiodosupplementation and could tolerate only half a Lugol tablet/day (6.25 mg iodine/day) due to the detoxification of elevated bromide levels by the iodine supplementation.
She was evaluated with serial serum samples for 11 hours post-load, before and after three months on a sustained-release form of vitamin C at 3 g/day. Previtamin C loading test showed 90% of the [iodine] load excreted in the urine, but her baseline serum iodide level was only 0.016 mg/L, compared to the expected levels of 0.85-1.3 mg/L in those with whole body iodine sufficiency.
[JaneS note: this means that her initial loading test showed her to be sufficient in iodine b/c she excreted 90%. But her blood testing revealed that the real problem was that she wasn't actually absorbing and utilizing the iodine. This is thought to be because of high body bromide burden.]
Prior to intervention with vitamin C, a sharp peak of serum iodide at 32 mg/L at one hour post-load was followed by a rapid drop. This suggested that the gastrointestinal absorption of iodine was very efficient, but the transfer of the serum iodide to the target cells was not efficient. After three months on vitamin C, the same test was repeated. The data revealed a normal profile of serum inorganic iodide levels. Her baseline serum inorganic iodide level increased from 0.016 mg/L to 0.42 mg/L, and she retained 50% of the iodine load, compared to 10% of the load prior to vitamin C supplementation.
To our knowledge, this was the first case report of a patient with evidence of a very defective retention mechanism for iodine who was studied with serial serum iodide levels prior to and following intervention. A combination of orthoiodosupplementation in amounts of iodine the patients could tolerate and administration of the antioxidant vitamin C via the oral route improved the performance of the iodine retention mechanism.
I think it's possible you might have autoimmune thyroid illness: Grave's or Hashimoto's. The latter is confirmed by antibodies in the blood. Not sure how Grave's is dx.
Dr. Brownstein treats his autoimmune patients as deficient in iodine and antioxidants. The B vitamins (ATP Co factors 100mg B2 and 500mg B3 1-3x per day) in addition to iodine are essential to treating. And vitamin C up to 10 grams per day he says. And magnesium. And salt flushes. I would be taking all of these w/o the iodine pending testing.
Selenium is also very important for autoimmune patients too I believe.
I think it's also possible from your symptoms such as headaches and others that you are bromide toxic.
What I would do in your case is get conventional blood testing done for thyroid including free T3 and free T4 as well as antibodies (I think there are two types). And the iodine loading/bromide testing. And read Brownstein's book.
I know how it is not to have the $ believe me.
What else were you taking when you decided to supplement iodine? It is very important to support your detox pathways to help your body properly excrete the heavy metals that are in your body...
And a good multi vitamin are a must (personal fave that I and many friends and family have used with success is one 'n' only)... but that's just with small doses of iodine, bigger doses require more...
Like more selenium, I take 300mcg a day
Chromium and Vanadium
higher dose of vitamin C (3000mg) and mag (500-1000mg)
Are brazil nuts sufficient for selenium? The Vit C has been a HUGE help as well as the salt flushes. I haven't heard much about chromium and vanadium - will have to google.
Thanks! You are right, the support nutrients are VERY important. Perhaps I could have avoided the unnatural and disturbing events of the last few days . . . or maybe one just shouldn't drink a cup of beet kvass daily and do a liver dump while detoxing halides! : )
I have a question about magnesium supping.. I took that magnesium taste test where I mix the epsom salt with water and it tasted thick and bitter... What does that mean? Because doesn't bitter mean sufficient, but thick means severely deficient?
I have not read this thread, yet. But I'm sure someone on here has the answer to my question.
The nutritionist I just went to put me on iodine (iodoral) and told me to get some lugols liquid for my girls. I have found 5% and 2%. Which one do I want that will have two drops equal to my one pill? (12.5 mg IIRC)
I know that bone broth is often sited as a source of magnesium, but if you look at the actual percentage of bone that is magnesium, it's actually really low a 1:40 ratio with calcium is one number I read. I'm trying to find a textbook reference, but nak so not having much luck... The other side of that is that calcium and magnesium will compete for absorption. So I see bone broth as a great source of calcium, but I don't count it for magnesium at all.
I just received my supplement order. I got a multi, Selenium (200mcg), Magnesium 500mg), Siberian Ginseng, Chromium with Vanadium, Vit C (1gram) & Cod liver oil (1000mg), and some liquid iodine (150mcg per 2 drops). Yay!
Now my only question is if it is okay to take all of these at the same time? Or are there any that compete with absorption & that I should split?
Oh, and I am going to get some Iodoral (12.5mg tabs) in a while. I want to taper up the dosage since I'm pretty sure I get almost no iodine in my diet. My question is, should I start at 150 mcg or should I start higher? Also, for tapering up, should I do it ever few days, every week, etc?
I take all the things you have listed together in the morning, I haven't had any issues with it. What brand ginseng did you get? I only take two capsules per day...
You can start at the 150mcg and increase it a couple drops every day or every other day and see how you feel. With your first dose you may feel a giddy sort of hyper and then you may also have a hot flash that lasts about 30min. to an hour, this is normal, you body is simply readjusting to the iodine, it hasn't had it in a pure form and is sorta "surprised" to be getting it. I had this as did my husband and my brother in law, my mother and sister however did not...
I doubt you will feel too much difference in the two drops or the steady increase, but we are here to help if you have any questions. Stick with the drops until you buy the iodoral (btw I got mine off of ebay for $33 which included shipping for the 180 pill count).