THE Iodine Thread - Page 5

[TopazBlueMama]

hmm..this guy http://www.wrightnewsletter.com/etip...20080703b.html says that it doesn't work on lipomas. darn. but he is talking about the topical SSKI and DMSO.
Thanks Nichole!

[FairyRae]

For those of you who supp your LO's w/ iodine, how much do you give? My ds is a bit over 2 (and 32+ lbs) and I'm interested in supplementing him (I'm still kind of waiting on myself here--nervous about the nursing and detoxing...looking to keep researching this! I'm thinking about the Lugol's drops, but I'm also interested in reading some responses to Pat's question:

Originally Posted by WuWei

Jane, I would love to hear more info about why NOT to choose organic kelp or dulse which has been tested free of heavy metals, instead for the iodine. Those absorb/bind with heavy metals in the large intestine, from my understanding; and help to excrete it, in addition to the whole food benefits AND iodine.

Also, for those who are choosing to take iodine and supping other vitamins, is anyone supping w/ whole foods for magnesium and other nutrients, and what foods are you using???? (At Pat's rec. I 'supp' my selenium w/ brazil nuts--I'd love to do this for vit. C and others as well but not sure if I could get enough...I'm still in the early learning phases about all this!!)

[ChristSavesAll]

Ok found some other info about using colloidal silver for lipomas...
http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1418943

And this
"FIBROIDS- goldenseal, ramp bark, squaw vine, red raspberries, dong quai, false unicorn, rose hips, sarsaparilla, peony, uva ursi, blessed thistle, rehmannia, ginger, lobelia.Treat LIPOMA or tumors same way."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6308680/He...onditions-12pp

[Theloose]

re: kelp

here's a snip of what the sidebar at breastcancerchoices says:

"Dr. David Brownstein writes:

Caution With Kelp Supplements

[snip]

Kelp can be an appropriate iodine source if the kelp has been tested and found free of toxic elements. I would be very cautious about taking a kelp supplement unless the manufacture is consistently testing the kelp for purity and consistency." (bolding mine)

[Panserbjorne]

whoMe, I'll also add to that that a good source of kelp or dulse can be great for maintenance but it would be VERY hard to get enough to close the gap of someone who was really deficient. I'm a whole foods gal myself, but I tend to look for stabilization first. It's just one perspective though!

In other words, yes for some people it would be fine. IF you have several symptoms of deficiency though...I wouldnt' want to wait for supplementation with seaweed to catch up with me.

[changingseasons]

I've seen lots of references here to Lugol's and Iodoral... which I was going to buy, and then opted for a cheaper brand.

Does brand make a difference? Are there different types of iodine supplements that we should/should not be using? (Like all the different forms of folate/folic acid/folinic acid/5-mthfr/you get the picture...)

Mine is a liquid, 1 drop = 600mcg. I figure that is a nice low dose to start out with and work my way up. Does that seem ok? (I mentioned the brand earlier, but it's Atomidine if anyone wants to know.)

[Theloose]

Okay. So still thinking about detoxing to nurslings...

If mom's not noticing any detox symptoms then is it likely that we don't have to worry about nursling so much? Or could the LO still be getting a bunch of toxins, even though mom doesn't feel it?

[Jennemiah]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Okay. So still thinking about detoxing to nurslings...

If mom's not noticing any detox symptoms then is it likely that we don't have to worry about nursling so much? Or could the LO still be getting a bunch of toxins, even though mom doesn't feel it?

I've kind of been wondering the same thing, given my lack of detoxing symptoms. Now that I think about it, DD did have some (really yellow) cradle cap suddenly crop up about 4 weeks after I started taking Iodoral. I wondered at the time whether this was a sign of bromide detox, since neither of us had eaten any of her usual food triggers recently, and since one of the articles at optimox mentioned something about yellow excretions being potential signs of bromide detox???

I feel like I just added to your question rather than answering it...anyone else?

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Okay. So still thinking about detoxing to nurslings...

If mom's not noticing any detox symptoms then is it likely that we don't have to worry about nursling so much? Or could the LO still be getting a bunch of toxins, even though mom doesn't feel it?

I'm going with B. If you want my input always ALWAYS watch the nursling. If your HPA axis is screwy you may not notice any mobilization.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Okay. So still thinking about detoxing to nurslings...

If mom's not noticing any detox symptoms then is it likely that we don't have to worry about nursling so much? Or could the LO still be getting a bunch of toxins, even though mom doesn't feel it?

Based on my playing around with various things (so, sample size = 1 adult and 1 nurseling), there's a gap between when we increase our circulating toxins and when we start feeling bad. To me, it seems like detox reactions like headaches, nasty fatigue, all that stuff, mean there's a big disconnect between what's mobilized and our excretion bandwidth. But when the gap is little, or if we are mobilizing more but we can excrete it too, then we don't feel bad, and we're getting healthier, but more "stuff" is circulating in our bodies, it's going to travel through our bloodstreams at some point while it tries to get out, and that's when it can get into our milk.

I tried something (on my own accord, not on my HCP's recommendation) a couple years ago, and a) I felt better, I felt happier and my mood was more stable, and b) I started smelling like cigarette smoke (from my skin), and I didn't feel at all bad or sick or anything, nothing that said hey, too much, but within a couple weeks I figured out that I'd mobilized a lot to my nursing son (he was maybe 18 mos old? more than 14 mos, less than 21). And he didn't start doing anything weird like spinning or anything, or getting sick more often, or whatever. So to me it seems like really being slow and cautious and doing everything possible to support kiddo's detox pathways and mom's is appropriate. FWIW, it was seeing my son's vitC need jump (the amt it took for him to be at bowel tolerance) that made me realize that my improvements were a sign that I was changing a lot in my body.

Panserbjorne--can you talk a bit about our HPA axis and how that plays in? I'm clueless but very interested if you have the time.

[neverdoingitagain]

I have only been able to find a few sources of Iodine where I am. Does anyone here have any opinions on these brands and types?

Trophic Iodine-liquid (625mcg)
Bernard Jessen Liquid Dulse(225mcg)

There is iodine in the form of kelp, but I don't think its a very good brand(Jamieson). I have looked for Lugol's and Iodoral locally, but no luck. Are the two I mentioned, brands that would be viewed favorably?

[prairiechild]

My brother picked up a couple of bottles of lugol's in canada for me a year or so ago. I believe it is easier to buy there than here in the usa. I would keep looking for the lugol's.

[ChristSavesAll]

Originally Posted by neverdoingitagain

I have only been able to find a few sources of Iodine where I am. Does anyone here have any opinions on these brands and types?

Trophic Iodine-liquid (625mcg)
Bernard Jessen Liquid Dulse(225mcg)

There is iodine in the form of kelp, but I don't think its a very good brand(Jamieson). I have looked for Lugol's and Iodoral locally, but no luck. Are the two I mentioned brands that would be viewed favorably?

I used the liquid dulse when I first began supplementing, along with One n Only multi, Carlson's Cod liver oil, and siberian ginseng. Liquid dulse is my personal fave when it comes to liquid iodine, I noticed a boost in energy within minutes of taking it.

I began supping when dd was 2months. I gradually upped my dose from drops of liquid-dulse, to half an iodoral, then a whole one, then two, then one potassium iodide pill (32.5mg) over the course of about 4-6 weeks..

I never saw any negative side effects from dd, only improvements. Shortly after supping, she stopped spitting up, her once a week poops became once a day poops, she stopped behaving colicky and she has only been sick a couple times despite being around my niece and nephew who were sick every weekend usually with a stomach flu. Oh and I convinced my sister to give them supps and they havent been sick since!

I found the siberian ginseng helps with your adrenals and when you begin supping with iodine it's important to properly support your adrenals as they are overworked and detoxing to help your thyroid puts stress on your adrenals. Haven't had any negative side effects in either myself or dd.

[mom61508]

Should I take siberian ginseng while nursing? I have adrenal fatigue. plan on starting liquid dulse soon. does calcium interfere with the iodine?

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by ChristSavesAll

I used the liquid dulse when I first began supplementing, along with One n Only multi, Carlson's Cod liver oil, and siberian ginseng.

On the liquid dulse I noticed it says caramel color do you happen to know what it's derived from?
I'm gluten free

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Panserbjorne--can you talk a bit about our HPA axis and how that plays in? I'm clueless but very interested if you have the time.

:
I've *never* noticed any dieoff or mobilization or anything I can identify, and that's part of why I'm assuming I don't have much of a metals issue...

[Theloose]

Bringing this over from the inflammation thread...

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

whoMe, if you think bromide could be a real issue for you, then that could be the cause of the inflammation. Various toxins mess with people in various ways, maybe the only way to figure it out is to get you some Iodoral/Lugol's or whatever and see how you feel with 1 pill, and then try to ramp up, using salt flushes as needed. Personally, I think if you're trying to mobilize toxins, you should actively avoid TTC, so deciding to do that has pros and cons. But I'd think within 2-3 weeks of actively playing with iodine and the salt flushes, you should see if that's likely a big issue for you.

I have 2.2% Lugols. So something on the order of 2.75mg/drop. A year ago, I started with one drop per day, and didn't notice anything. On two drops/day, I got a pinprick rash on the inside of one elbow that lasted a couple weeks, but never hurt or itched. I've been doing ~2 drops a day for a few months, and not noticed anything.

I'm a little confused about the salt flushes... It sounds like they mobilize bromine. But they help with detox symptoms from iodine, which are presumably from bromine? Would a salt flush plus the iodine companion nutrients, especially vitamin C but without the iodine... be dangerous for dd?

And we know an adult maintenance dose is about 12.5 mg. What would it be for a 2yo?

I'm just full of questions, aren't I?

[tanyalynn]

I can only compare with my experience, but supplementing only 5-ish milligrams per day and you had a rash, that sounds like it's doing something. I haven't had anything at 12mg/day. So this does sound like it's worth exploring. Panserbjorne would know better about salt flushes and nursing.

[JTA Mom]

Originally Posted by ChristSavesAll

I used the liquid dulse when I first began supplementing, along with One n Only multi, Carlson's Cod liver oil, and siberian ginseng. Liquid dulse is my personal fave when it comes to liquid iodine, I noticed a boost in energy within minutes of taking it.

I began supping when dd was 2months. I gradually upped my dose from drops of liquid-dulse, to half an iodoral, then a whole one, then two, then one potassium iodide pill (32.5mg) over the course of about 4-6 weeks..

Nichole, your story with your dd has calmed me a bit about the detox worries I've had. You mentioned that you took siberian ginseng to support adrenals. How much did you take? I haven't seen any recommendations on that part. Also, I know calcium interferes with iodine, does magnesium? I'm very low on magnesium (get migraine headaches, had pre-eclampsia) & should supplement with that. Do you know if it interferes with iodine like calcium? Or is it safe to take mag to sufficiency while trying the iodine.

I'm also wondering if I should just start with iodine, THEN add in the rest of the supps one at a time. That way I'm sure any reactions I am having are due to the iodine rather than any of the other supps.

Oh, and a last question, What is your source for getting all the supplements. I don't want to go to Whole Foods to get these, since they are crazy $$ there. Do you have any online sources?

Thanks!!!

Ami

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

I've started taking it again, I guess it's been about 3 months. For simplicity, I've just stayed at 1 Iodoral a day while I focus on other stuff. Not sure if that's good, bad, or indifferent, I'm reading the thread to figure it out! Need to go back and read a couple of the optimox links from Jane, I think they're going to argue that I should just take more.

Maybe!
12.5 mg or 1 tablet Iodoral or 2 drops Lugol's 5% is considered a standard daily dosage for women by Abraham/Flechas/Brownstein AFTER reaching full body sufficiency. To support the breasts and thyroid and 2mg for rest of body. Women who are larger or with larger breasts need more. Men will need less b/c they have less breast tissue. You need more if thyroid problems or other iodine deficient health indications.

I would be very interested in your AM temps to see how your thyroid is doing. My understanding is that thyroid problems show up in the bloodwork after there has been a problem for quite some time... AM temps per Broda Barnes will tell you everytime (hypo or hyper).

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

I've never seen anything to suggest that iodine will pull mercury out of your fillings.

I know very little about this but Brownstein has done urine blood tests showing tiny amount of mercury in urine at baseline and a huge jump upon starting 50mg Iodoral. Still remaining elevated after 30 days. I thought I read that mercury binds to iodine receptors? I really don't know if this is true but it would be very important to find out!

I'm still having such a hard time increasing my iodine, either I'm very bromide toxic or its the mercury. I think I will be doing the test although I really DO NOT want to take 50mg of iodine.