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post #21 of 62
i want to move ds ff so I can move my passenger seat back... for now i just have everyone taller than me drive or sit in the back..
post #22 of 62
We switched DS to FF at 13 months. DH was so excited and kept pestering me about when we could do it. At the time, he was convinced DS would enjoy himself more and interact with us if he was FF.

Neither of us had a clue, which is surprises me because I was totally out of control when it came to safety and danger issues. Somehow, the information on NOTff as soon as the owner's manuals say it is ok completely passed me by.

It wasn't until I came over to MDC that I realized not everyone turned their children around as soon as possible.

Now, I definately would have kept him RF longer than I did.
post #23 of 62
My DD was a pretty good car seat screamer as well, but we worked with her on it. Turns out, it was just a phase, and she outgrew it by around 18 months. Once she started being able to entertain herself, she did a lot better.

Now we take long trips a few times a year, and she just sits back there and plays the whole time.

She is 3 years and 2.5 months, and is perfectly happy RF. I do hate installing her car seat RF, though. If she keeps on her current growth curve, she wont hit 35lbs until 4.5-5 years. That's cool. The longer the better.
post #24 of 62
I think a big part of it is that they are told to turn them, or rather... Informed they can turn them, and information that they don't have to/shouldn't is not forthcoming. One of those things society stresses as a big milestone and something you want to happen OMG NOW! (DH is still having trouble with this. He knows safety is better rear facing, but still says he can't wait to turn her and be able to see her and talk to her, etc. I told him he is not supposed to see her, he is supposed to see the road And if he wants to see her, I'll get my licence and drive and he can sit in the back. To which I got a big ol' No ) You know kids can't grow up fast enough in North America (they have to, so we can complain about how fast it went by and why they don't stay little longer )

Example: DD had her 1 year well visit at 13 months, and they started to tell me I could turn her forward and then stopped and said "Well, not yet, she's still only 19 lbs, but soon right? " and I said "Uh... No, she still fits in her bucket-" to which I was interrupted with "She does? What kind? (Keyfit 30) Oh well, she'll be out of that in 2 weeks surely!" to which I finished with "If you think so, but she'll be going into a true fit and rear facing to 35 lbs." to which I received a look that made me think I had 2 heads
And for the record, we got another 5 weeks out of it
post #25 of 62
eager to FF...

The puking, the screaming, the crying, the kicking, again, the puking!
Did I say puking?
I didn't turn him until he was at the weight limit for his seat, though.
post #26 of 62
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Originally Posted by bobandjess99 View Post
Yep, a combo of everything mentioned. but mostly, they just don't know. Most parents dont equate FFing with..letting your kid play with a rattlesnake in the middle of a freeway surrounded by knives..which is about how dangerous it is. I know that *I* didn't know. which is why dd FFed at 8 months old when she outgrew her carseat rearfacing. Now that i do know, it's just a given. Ds won't be FFing until he is 35 (or more!) pounds or has exceeded the height limit on the tallest seats.
No, trying to drive with a screaming carsick child is a little more dangerous, IMO, than forward facing and neither is anywhere near what you described...but it was a nice visual.LOL

I'm eager to ff because I hate when they scream. There are studies showing that rear-facing is dangerous in rear-end collisions, so you can find a study pretty much supporting anything you want when it comes to safety.....except maybe you can't find one supporting putting your baby in the middle of the hwy, with knives and rattlesnakes....maybe. Pretty soon, we'll be putting helmets on our kids while in the car.
post #27 of 62
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love hearing everyones stories even tho dd wasnt even 2.5 when she maxed out her marathon rf limit, she is a good 3' tall and honestly could pass for a 4 yr old......i got similar comments about her rfing. i dont mind them, as most everyone here i use it as an opportunity to educate. i am astounded at the ppl who really dont seem to care. im the type of person that loves to learn about new research, different techniques, etc to make all aspects of my family's life safer and more efficient. i just dont get some ppl...

i actually hadnt heard about this new seat that rfs to 40lbs and if i hadnt just spent $300 on a new frontier (to replace our backup scenera that she is about 5 lbs from outgrowing), i might have considered it i thought the frontier would be our safest bet given how fast dd seems to be growing!!
post #28 of 62
Thread Starter 
oh and i do sympathize with those whose kiddies have motion sickness
post #29 of 62
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Originally Posted by katie9143 View Post

i actually hadnt heard about this new seat that rfs to 40lbs and if i hadnt just spent $300 on a new frontier (to replace our backup scenera that she is about 5 lbs from outgrowing), i might have considered it i thought the frontier would be our safest bet given how fast dd seems to be growing!!
If your daughter is tall, she wouldn't fit in the MyRide anyway, it has a short shell
post #30 of 62
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No, trying to drive with a screaming carsick child is a little more dangerous, IMO, than forward facing and neither is anywhere near what you described...but it was a nice visual.LOL

I'm eager to ff because I hate when they scream. There are studies showing that rear-facing is dangerous in rear-end collisions, so you can find a study pretty much supporting anything you want when it comes to safety.....except maybe you can't find one supporting putting your baby in the middle of the hwy, with knives and rattlesnakes....maybe. Pretty soon, we'll be putting helmets on our kids while in the car.
Rear and rear-offset crashes only account for 4% of accidents. I'd rather my child be 500% safer in 96% of accidents


I sympathize with the pukers and the screamers--and I MIGHT consider turning after 2 years old, if no other alternative therapies worked before then. But even with a puker/screamer, 2 would still be my limit.

Both my 2.5yo and my 11mo are still rear-facing, and will be until the limits (or age 4) (unless I import a TWE ).
post #31 of 62
There are no studies that show RF'ing in a rear-end crash is dangerous. And there are plenty showing it's safer
post #32 of 62
Well, I wasn't/am not eager to turn my kids around, I still can't fathom rearfacing to 35lbs, seriously, my daugher will be like, at least 49" before she hits 35lbs...she has been 34lbs for over 18 months now and she will be 7 in September. Travis might get closer, since he is shorter than her/weighs more than her at every milestone, but he'll still probably be at least 5 1/2 probably closer to 6 before he hits 35lbs, and Kincaid was 29lbs at 4, but he was also 43" and has a LONG torso and didn't fit rearfacing in his boulevard at that point.
post #33 of 62
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Originally Posted by chaoticzenmom View Post
No, trying to drive with a screaming carsick child is a little more dangerous, IMO, than forward facing and neither is anywhere near what you described...but it was a nice visual.LOL

I'm eager to ff because I hate when they scream. There are studies showing that rear-facing is dangerous in rear-end collisions, so you can find a study pretty much supporting anything you want when it comes to safety.....except maybe you can't find one supporting putting your baby in the middle of the hwy, with knives and rattlesnakes....maybe. Pretty soon, we'll be putting helmets on our kids while in the car.
Do you have links for this?
post #34 of 62
I was happy to ff when my dd was young because she was able to see more of what was going on that way and it made her very happy. The whole time she was rf was miserable for all of us.
post #35 of 62
As the mother of a screamer, I am totally sympathetic. And to the parents of the pukers, my heart goes out to you! We all make the best decisions we can with what we have to work with. And if my child was violently car sick (my brother was, so I do get this) I would also turn my child before the max weight.

Now, that said, there is NO data to indicate that rear facing is dangerous in rear end collisions. That is just not true. There are some very compelling reasons to turn your child, in a minority of cases. Safety risks from rear facing is NOT one of them. Sure, it is possible that in a severe rear end collision your child maybe would have been safer if they were FFing, but we know from data (depending on whose you look at) that frontal collisions account for 92 to 96% of collisions, and that the most severe collisions are side impact. The chance of a severe rear end collision being the one that YOU are in, is not likely.
post #36 of 62
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Originally Posted by Arwyn View Post
Also, the front seat passenger got a lot more leg room, which for us (5'10" and 6'1" in a small sedan) is no small matter.
nak

dh cannot sit in the passenger seat & I have my knees crammed against the dash while turned somewhat sideways when i sit there - sitting behind the driver would not be better.

we are literally having to buy a larger vehicle to makev rfing work safely for all of us (right now my safety is compromised when I have to sit so close to the airbag & jammed against the dash).

rfing may be safer (which is why we're doing it) but it is a major pia. as most people don't have the facts the pia factor is more than enough to make one excited to switch.
post #37 of 62
With my younger 2, we turned them forward facing when they started to be able to rock the car seat by kicking the seat back... and I had those suckers installed pretty tightly... that said, they were both about 18 months old when we turned them ff.
post #38 of 62
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Originally Posted by lifeguard View Post
nak

dh cannot sit in the passenger seat & I have my knees crammed against the dash while turned somewhat sideways when i sit there - sitting behind the driver would not be better.

we are literally having to buy a larger vehicle to makev rfing work safely for all of us (right now my safety is compromised when I have to sit so close to the airbag & jammed against the dash).

rfing may be safer (which is why we're doing it) but it is a major pia. as most people don't have the facts the pia factor is more than enough to make one excited to switch.
That's why we turned DD ff at 1 year. DH could not get into the car and I was tired of driving separately everywhere we went. I wanted to go as a family.

We turned DS#1 at 1 year, because he was screamer. And turning him did help.

And, we just didn't know any better. We went with the information we were given by our pedi, family, friends, and the law.

Now we have a mini van and we have different information, so DS#2 will stay rfing much longer.

When you know better, you do better.
post #39 of 62
turned dd once she turned 1 and 26lbs. I am educated about the dangers etc of both ff & rf and basically I think driving EVERYWHERE with a screaming/blubbering/puking child is MORE dangerous! And you know when I only had one child, ds, I remember not understanding why my friend's kid cried in the car all the time etc...then I had dd and I understood, I don't think YOU can really understand the anxiety of driving around with a screaming child (not just yelling, I mean it sounds like she's got someone strangling her and she's about to choke on her blubbering saliva!) until you actually have to do it!
post #40 of 62
I knew that RFing was safer but we switched dd as soon as she hit the milestones. She was not (and still is not) happy in the car and it was very hard to comfort her when she was backwards. Turns out she is very prone to carsickness. Now she is old enough to tell us that and can even manage a baggie for puking. But before 1 yo she could not tell us that so we did not know. All we knew, is that car trips were awful and flipping her forward made it a little easier. At least I could make eye contact with her when she was miserable

However, she is nearly 6 and still harnessed
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