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post #61 of 183
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Originally Posted by Amylcd View Post
If we are going by taste, I would take Kraft easy mac over Annie's anyday. Annie's is bland, in my (and my kids) opinions. I have a cabinet full of it, and no one wants to eat it.

We eat a lot of organic, healthy foods... but we also eat "mainstream junk" too.
Have to admit, I think Annie's is pretty nasty. A LOT of their stuff is nasty... they make these whole wheat bunnies now, I don't know if we got a bad box or what, but they are NASTY. They taste like kinda-raw wheat thins. My son wouldn't touch them. My babies wouldn't touch them and I am not fully convinced they even have taste buds... as they eat things like dirt and dryer sheets...

The mac and cheese is just awful. And I am not convinced it is even that much healthier for you, other than coming in a box with lots of feel-good writing on it.

The powdery kind, at least... the Annies with the runny cheese is somewhat better... but still. On the whole, not a fan of Annie's products. They make those canned pastas, the stars and Arthur Os, which we have bought... but again other than the feel good label are they really all that much better for you than Spegettios?? At least they taste OK but I can buy our store brand organic Os in sauce for less money...

Sorry, huge tangent, but I am happy to see others don't like Annies!!! I wonder if they covertly make Trader Joe's mac and cheese - I find that kind of gross, too. (I have also tried the adding cheese to hot noodles - it works with parmesan and buttered noodles, but other stuff often clumps up and sits in little globs very unappealingly...)

Maybe so many people are anti-organic because a lot of what is organic is gross. Maybe it's the cost. I don't know.

But I do know that organic doesn't mean healthier, always... a couple weeks ago I made a banana pudding using organic pudding, organic vanilla wafers, and bananas, can't recalls if they were organic or not... bananas are a food I am not gung-ho on getting organic... but the pudding was between 66% and 100% organic, I guess. It was tasty! It maybe had some advantages over not using Nilla wafers - since they have HFCS and partially hydrogenated oils - I'm not sure the pudding was really THAT much better... and overall a healthier option would have been, IMO, a cheese and fruit tray, organic or not...

Non-organic does not always mean unhealthy (and therefore "bad parent.") Organic does not always mean better. Ie I would rather my kid chow down on Pepperidge Farm goldfish than Annie's chocolate bunnies (which DO taste ok but let's face it they are still sweet cookies with a feel good package...)
post #62 of 183
I can only speak of my family. I won't speculate about your friends' reasons.

1. To some people organic food is the new designer jeans. An organic apple and a conventional apple look the same, but the organic one is more expensive. Just because we could afford the organic apple doesn't mean that we feel that the label is the best use of our money.

2. We live in an area with a lot of locally grown food. I feel its better to eat local then organic.

3. DH thinks organic food is full of bugs.

4. Organic certifications are confusing. I use a plant based pesticide on my garden but its not certified organic, does that mean that my garden isn't organic?.

5. Personal taste. Nothing will replace Kraft mac n cheese as my comfort food. We like hot dogs and fast food hamburgers.
post #63 of 183
nak
i'm glad you posed this question. i think 'organic' is a hype.

i do get most of my vegis from either my garden, my parents garden or the farmers market.

I love seeing organic produce that has been trucked across the country.
post #64 of 183
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Originally Posted by ChinaDoll View Post
Umm, it's REALLY expensive compared to non-organic?

And not readily available to folks in many American small towns.
Yes! The nearest organic/health food store to me is 2 hours away! I do buy organic milk at our grocery store, but its almost $7.00 a gallon! I do feel that we eat very healthy though. Our meat and eggs come from our own animals that I know are treated very well.

I do have boxes of mac n cheese in the cupboard for days when I have to keep my sanity. I still try to make it healthier though. I use milk, but skip the butter. I only use half of the "cheese" and I always add peas or spinach and then some pepper for taste. Yum!
post #65 of 183
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Originally Posted by funkymamajoy View Post
I can only speak of my family. I won't speculate about your friends' reasons.

1. To some people organic food is the new designer jeans.
I like this analogy.

I think there is a lot of elitism attached to eating all organic... and even if there ARE benefits to it I don't think it's realistic. I don't know if I have all the facts wrong or not but... there are now a HECK of a lot of people in this country (and the world). You can grow way more food non-organically than you can organically, acre per acre, right? If all food were to be produced/grown/whatever organically... first of all would there even be enough food for everyone? And if so it would be prohibitively expensive... wouldn't it?

I don't think eating all organic all the time for all people is a realistic goal. For those who can/do it's become quite a status thing.

I mean don't get me wrong in some instances there are benefits to it - but for example if someone were to give their kid a snack, they might feel the need to say "We just had some organic ice cream" as if the organic part needed to be said. Why?
post #66 of 183
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Originally Posted by Anglyn View Post

I tried researched healthy eating and there is a lot of conflicting info out there and on here. Meat is toxic, meat is vital, eat it raw. Diary is evil, drink soy, soy is evil dont drink it. And everything is contaminated. I gave up. I told dh that the only way to be safe is to grow and raise all your own food but then you have to worry about whats in your soil and water!!!!!!!

Ive decided to eat as healthy as possible, eat what we like, even the occasional trip to mcdonalds, and hope for the best.
This.

What one person thinks is healthy, another person thinks is very non-healthy.

I think there is probably plenty of wiggle room and there is not ONE correct diet that all people must eat to thrive.

We do a mixture here. I try not to stress about it.

I am one of very few people here who seems to like Annies Mac and Cheese. I like the basil and garlic kind.
post #67 of 183
I don't think you have to eat organic to eat healthy. And I definitely don't think that just because something has 'organic' on the label that it *is* healthy.

I don't know what annie's mac and cheeze is, but if it is also a boxed powdered cheese item, then I'll say that this non organic apple I'm eating is healthier.

I do agree with a pp, that says that 'organic' is the new designer jeans. Also, isn't the term not really regulated? Anyone can slap on the label organic, and have a pretty picture of a farm on the front-- it doesnt mean that the food is any better than the store brand.
post #68 of 183
Congrats MDC, yet another thread with sole purpose of being a "crunchier than though" ego stroke fest.
post #69 of 183

The Hype

I don't buy into the "organic hype," not when you can buy jumbo boxes of organic pop tarts.

I have a friend who grew up on a farm. I've been to the farm. I have no problem with the way their cattle are raised. They eat grass in the summer and hay and silage in the winter. The get antibiotics when they are sick. It doesn't bother me that some of the fence posts are made of the old school pressured treated lumber with the arsenic. I'm not eating the fence post. The cow isn't eating the fence post. The amount of grass she eats next to fence post is minimal, and it would be a waste to rip out a perfectly good fence.

I actually think that a lot of people are blindly buying organic instead of reading labels and making sensible choices. We've seen stuff at Whole Foods marked up 40% or more. The same product is available at the regular grocery store, but Whole Food shoppers are willing to pay more. There are people who just buy everything at Whole Foods and assume it's their ticket to health... I totally agree with the designer jeans analogy.

Organic can be good, but now it seems that a lot of people who are buying organic are not particularly well-informed. Personally, I think buying locally, maintaining biodiversity, and supporting generally responsible farming practices are more important, and the organic label does not necessarily mean that you're supporting any of those things. Not now that big business is into organics, and an uneducated public is buying them.

The fact of the matter is that life expectancy in the western world is double what it was a hundred years ago, and average level of education is astronomically beyond what it was a hundred years ago. Our society suffers from issues, but I think people need to battle problems like overconsumption, unbalanced diets, lack of exercise, and unsustainable farming practices before they worry about organic peaches.

I don't go out of my way to buy organic, although we do buy it sometimes. I have a list of priorities, and organic is not at the top.
post #70 of 183
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Originally Posted by montlake View Post
Congrats MDC, yet another thread with sole purpose of being a "crunchier than though" ego stroke fest.
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post #71 of 183
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When I'm too busy, there's alway things like cold garbanzo beans and grape tomatoes, which also has more nutrients than boxed mac and cheese.
Really?

I bet only one kid in a million would eat that. Hell I wouldn't eat that and I am not a picky two year old who thinks food is possibly out to get him.

I try to avoid HFCS and partially hydro'd products by baking my own stuff. But I am a huge believer that all food can be enjoyed, just some foods need to be enjoyed in moderation. Life is too short to only eat things that are exclusively good for you.

And Kraft Mac-n-Cheese is awesome-way better then Annie's.
post #72 of 183
For me the organic label is not just what it has, but also what it does not. If a product is labeled "organic" it cannot contain any GMO, and since manufacturers are not required to state whether they use GMOs it is the only way a consumer can be sure the product they are consuming is GMO free. To some that may not be a bog deal, but to me it is.Yes, both Annie's and Kraft are noodles from a box, that does not make them equally unhealthy. Kraft uses enriched flour, whereas Annie's uses whole wheat (which is probably why some people don't like it). Kraft also uses yellow 5 and yellow 6. So IMO even though they both come from a box Annie's is the healthier option.
post #73 of 183
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Originally Posted by texmati View Post
I don't know what annie's mac and cheeze is, but if it is also a boxed powdered cheese item, then I'll say that this non organic apple I'm eating is healthier.
One isn't healthier than the other. The key is balance.

The mac and cheese is high in fat and high in carbohydrates. It also has a calcium serving. It's high in sodium.

The apple is low in fat, decent on carbohydrates and high in fiber. It has no sodium. It does not have a calcium serving.

Kids need some fat and carbohydrates in their diet. Not too much fat, but some fat is necessary. A serving of Kraft EZ-Mac is perfectly acceptable in the context of a balanced diet.
post #74 of 183
My foster kids come from a background of nothing but fast food and prepared package food. They prefer the cheapest 6 for a buck mac n cheese, generic hamburger helper, and spaggettios. They prefer Tang, coke, or kool-aid to water, juice or milk, the only choices in the house. I have learned that there is a certain chemical taste (and maybe that awful orange color) that they expect. That taste is nearly inedible to me (no snobbery here; I am overweight and simply have different vices), but I am catching on that that is what they crave, not the mac n cheese itself. So I found a place I could buy that orange powder cheese in bulk, and I make their kind of sauce on broccoli for example. I think it's awful, but they eat.

I grow some of our own food - eggs, berries, salad and some veggies - shop locally when possible, at the produce market next, and then at the regular supermarket. I won't pay extra for organic. I just don't have the money, and it isn't that high on my priority list right now. Besides, I don't think it is really that pristine. I grow my garden "organically", but I live on a busy street, so the air must be foul, and I don't know what's in the city water or the soil. I buy in bulk in season, and preserve or freeze some items. I can my own jam and spaghetti sauce for example, but I don't dry fruit because we really only eat it fresh.

I think this fits in with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs - first, basic quantity food needs must be met. If you have that, you then can choose taste. The luxury of choosing fresh, local, nutritious, organic, ethical, and convenient and whatever else is important to the person comes later. Price plays a role, but that is still personal - mushrooms may be worth $4/lb to me, but you wouldn't want to pay over $2. I might choose to forgo something else to buy a favorite cheese, and I might buy the kids some ice cream if it is on sale. I might buy a 20 lb bag of oranges from the guy on the side of the road, and make juice. This costs way more than buying frozen concentrate, but I like to support individuals. These are choices made for other-than-health reasons.
post #75 of 183
I think any version of "why DON'T people deviate from the cultural mainstream and devote a disproportionate amount of their personal resources (time, money, brainpower) into doing it" is the wrong question.

If it's an issue you particularly care about, then how about, "how can we help the people in our community eat nourishing, delicious food without judging them for doing what they know" instead?

This is something I'm working on for my area. Want to eat organic produce in the winter? Then you can buy expensive frozen veggies SHIPPED FROM CHINA that don't even taste good. In the summer there are lots of local options, but they are often A) more expensive, B) require more preparation--which not everyone knows how to do, even if they have the time, and C) are largely available at the farmer's market, which is held on a weekday morning and therefore isn't really accessible for a whole lot of working people.

Because I care a lot about food--and people--I'm writing a little local foods zine with tips for the easiest, quickest, cheapest ways to incorporate local foods (some organic and all fresh) into a mainstream diet. It includes stuff like what's cheapest when, how to pack it to toss in the freezer, what to do with it when you pull it out of the freezer in February, how to make it yummy for kids, etc.

If you'd like, I'll send a copy of the first issue your way.
post #76 of 183
I haven't read this whole thread.

But once again I am surprised by some of the negative comments.

I did think MDC was a crunchy-ish forum full of crunchy ideas.

It does always surprise me how many un-crunchy people are on here.

What could be bad about organic food~ food that is not laden with pesticides and God only knows what else......and it does confound me that people can seem to come up with so many excuses why eating SAD really isn't that bad for you/big a deal.

To me it is very surprising.


Would you eat a SAD and then be surprised when you weren't healthy/had health problems?
post #77 of 183
Non-organic food isn't all "crap". I grew up in a super health food conscious, home grown, organic, no junk food, carob only family. My parents were extremists with what they ate, watched, etc. I do not like the way it made my siblings and I obsessive and addictive about foods we couldn't eat, television, which we weren't allowed to watch, etc.

I also am EXTREMELY dubious about the health claims made by so many "healthy" and/or "organic" products. I don't think it's un-crunchy to question health claims of products marketed to the crunchy crowd. Just because I'm crunchy doesn't make me gullible.

I also refuse to pay $3 for an "organic" apple that was shipped thousands of miles for my eating pleasure. That's why I don't specifically buy organic. If I can find locally grown, competitively priced organic produce, I buy. Otherwise, I don't sweat it.
post #78 of 183
I don't buy organic because it is expensive, but also, I keep the local farmers going and our local economy going by buying just regular produce.

I live in Central CA where a large majority of the food in the US is grown. I can drive down the street and watch the tomatoes and strawberries being grown. I see the farmers pick the oranges and apples. If I am stuck breathing the air around here, reaelly what difference is it going to make if I am eatting the food grown directly here.

We don't drink milk but if we did, we would buy non hormonally altered milk, but again, it is local as well.
post #79 of 183
Oh, and my favorite food in the whole wide world is kraft mac and cheese.
post #80 of 183
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Originally Posted by EviesMom View Post
Maybe they were thinking "Man! Only enough Hostess cupcakes for the kids? I waaaaaaant one!" (Or maybe that's just what I would be thinking!)
Of course I brought enough for all but I think I was the only adult who ate one. DS is running around the house eating grape tomatoes at the moment. Not sure he would go for the gabanzo beans but knowing him, he would.

As for Annie's, you have to get the penne in the blue box, that's the good one.
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