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post #81 of 183
The term 'organic' really means very little to me. I like real food, which may or may not be organic. Local food, which may or may not be organic. I buy my meat from a local farm that raises grass finished animals, which also happens to be organic. I grow a lot of my own veggies, which I'm sure could never be classified as certifiably organic, but I don't care. The fact that there are so many processed organic foods boggles my mind - it's entirely possible to eat 100% organic food and at the same time be eating 100% junk food now.
post #82 of 183
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The fact that there are so many processed organic foods boggles my mind - it's entirely possible to eat 100% organic food and at the same time be eating 100% junk food now.
Yes, and that means you can eat 100% junk food and STILL look down on other people's food choices.
post #83 of 183
Well, non-organic doesn't mean unhealthy. We don't buy organic because the price. We could, but then we would buy less food and my kids eat a lot. Now, in a small town we are blessed with locally grown food and fresh free-range chicken eggs. Nothing beats a strawberry that you buy down the street that was picked at peak ripeness that day. Nothing.

We also garden. So for me, I would rather buy locally grown small farm fruit and veggies which are cheaper and more tasty (and environmentally more sound) than organic at the grocery store.

But either way, I don't think one has to buy organic. I think the only reason to do it is for the environment, but then locally grown food beats that.
post #84 of 183
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Originally Posted by sisteeesmama View Post
I haven't read this whole thread.

But once again I am surprised by some of the negative comments.

I did think MDC was a crunchy-ish forum full of crunchy ideas.

It does always surprise me how many un-crunchy people are on here.

What could be bad about organic food~ food that is not laden with pesticides and God only knows what else......and it does confound me that people can seem to come up with so many excuses why eating SAD really isn't that bad for you/big a deal.

To me it is very surprising.


Would you eat a SAD and then be surprised when you weren't healthy/had health problems?
I don't think anyone is arguing that organic food is bad (except for my DH and his thing about bugs) but that no one is a better parent then anyone else because they only eat organic.

Personally, I don't think the SAD is really as bad as its made out to be. IRL I've never met anyone who eats fast food, Kraft, etc every single day. I believe its possible to eat a well-balanced, healthy diet without any certified organic food.

However, I know someone who eats almost exclusively pre-packaged foods and believes that its all very healthy because its organic.
post #85 of 183
If people haven't read Micheal Pollan's book In Defense of Food, I'd try that and then maybe drop some food, organic or not, off at your local food pantry.
post #86 of 183
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Yes, and that means you can eat 100% junk food and STILL look down on other people's food choices.
post #87 of 183
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Originally Posted by funkymamajoy View Post
I don't think anyone is arguing that organic food is bad (except for my DH and his thing about bugs) but that no one is a better parent then anyone else because they only eat organic.

Personally, I don't think the SAD is really as bad as its made out to be. IRL I've never met anyone who eats fast food, Kraft, etc every single day. I believe its possible to eat a well-balanced, healthy diet without any certified organic food.

However, I know someone who eats almost exclusively pre-packaged foods and believes that its all very healthy because its organic.

Well, not to be argumentative, but I have definately known A LOT of people only eat hot dogs, burgers, mac n cheese, bologna McDonalds etc. everyday. That's what they like, thats what they know. And it isn't healthy.

I also agree that local is good, home grown is good and of course organic pop tarts aren't health food, but if you are already going to eat pop tarts then at least there is no pesticide up in em.


I think home cooked whole foods are the optimum, I think organic is better than just whatever is at the store for the cheapest, but if there are budget restrictions then eating whole foods is your best bet organic or not.
post #88 of 183
Maybe I missed a part in the OP, but I thought it was just about organic or not. Not organic vs SAD.

Many, many people eat whole foods and never touch an organic apple. But their diet seems very healthy (and is!). So is the question why would anyone choose SAD even knowing the differences?
post #89 of 183
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Originally Posted by sisteeesmama View Post
What could be bad about organic food~ food that is not laden with pesticides and God only knows what else......and it does confound me that people can seem to come up with so many excuses why eating SAD really isn't that bad for you/big a deal.
I haven't noticed those posts. People are saying that some occasional junk food is okay. That's not the same thing as saying eating the SAD really isn't bad for you. SAD is a whole way of eating, not an occasional quick treat.

As for organics...the only "organics aren't that great" comments I'm seeing here are with respect to organic processed foods. Boxed mac and cheese is boxed mac and cheese. I'm sure Annies and the ilk leave out some truly nasty stuff that's in KD (which I do like, sadly)...but that doesn't make them healthy. They're still highly processed convenience foods. Being healthier than Kraft mac and cheese doesn't mean it's healthy.

And, the organics thing is way over-simplified. As many posters have pointed out, a lot of organic produce comes from China. Does it make that much sense to avoid pesticides, but to simultaneously increase pollution by shipping food from China to North America?

I don't do that much organic. I'm thinking of switching to organic milk (our conventional milk is hormone free, though)...but it's very close to twice the cost, and I don't know if we can swing that. I don't do organic meat, because it's just too much money, and we eat a lot of meat...neither dh nor ds1 are going to stop doing that. I buy organic, free range eggs, and I try to buy organic strawberries, and local, organic apples. I'm far from doing as well as I plan to eventually, but I do pay attention to whether food is organic and where it comes from...and try to shop organic for the "dirty dozen"....when I can remember what they are. *sigh*

However, I have five people in my family, all with different tastes, and shopping is complicated enough. There's only so much time, energy and money available to put into this right now. I try to at least know what I'm doing, and not fool myself that I'm buying something healthy when I'm buying junk. If I buy organic snack foods, I see it as a lesser of two evils thing, not a "I'm feeding my family the best" thing.
post #90 of 183
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Originally Posted by funkymamajoy View Post
Personally, I don't think the SAD is really as bad as its made out to be. IRL I've never met anyone who eats fast food, Kraft, etc every single day. I believe its possible to eat a well-balanced, healthy diet without any certified organic food.
I know a couple of people who eat that way. They eat some real meat, and some eggs (all conventional - no stones, as my meat is mostly conventional, too)...but pretty much everything else they eat comes in a box. Oh - and a bit of fruit, almost all bananas.

Try to find that photo essay about what the world eats, and look at the two American families. They definitely eat the SAD, just as it's widely portrayed.
post #91 of 183
What in the world is SAD??
post #92 of 183
Standard American Diet.
post #93 of 183
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What in the world is SAD??
Standard American Diet.
post #94 of 183
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Originally Posted by sisteeesmama View Post
Well, not to be argumentative, but I have definately known A LOT of people only eat hot dogs, burgers, mac n cheese, bologna McDonalds etc. everyday. That's what they like, thats what they know. And it isn't healthy.

I also agree that local is good, home grown is good and of course organic pop tarts aren't health food, but if you are already going to eat pop tarts then at least there is no pesticide up in em.


I think home cooked whole foods are the optimum, I think organic is better than just whatever is at the store for the cheapest, but if there are budget restrictions then eating whole foods is your best bet organic or not.
In addition to less pesticides they also have less HFCS, trans fats, food coloring, enriched flour, GMOs and artificial ingredients.
post #95 of 183
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Originally Posted by sisteeesmama View Post
I did think MDC was a crunchy-ish forum full of crunchy ideas.

It does always surprise me how many un-crunchy people are on here.
I don't think there is anything "un-crunchy" about realizing people do things differently and might still be good people trying to do the best they can for their children even though they don't feed them all organic food.
post #96 of 183
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I don't think there is anything "un-crunchy" about realizing people do things differently and might still be good people trying to do the best they can for their children even though they don't feed them all organic food.
Amen.

Remember the magazine is called "Mothering" not "Eating". Some of us parent in crunchy ways but don't live a 100% natural lifestyle.
post #97 of 183
We eat what we have time and energy to prepare. I love our natural foods store, but it's an hour away, and easily 3x more expensive than any other produce. We don't eat a lot of meat. We have a huge garden so we can grow a lot of our own food, and we raise chickens for their eggs, and we generally try to be aware of what we eat.

That doesn't mean, however, that someone's not going to come in some night to find a frozen pizza being devoured (on paper plates!) or the occasional mac and cheese.

It really *isn't* that big a deal to eat less than ideal foods sometimes, as long as we make an effort most of the time to eat a good variety of healthy foods.
post #98 of 183
I don't think it is anyone's business. I certainly would not judge anyone based on the consumption of organic or non-organic food. Life is too short.
post #99 of 183
I haven't read the responses but isn't it entirely possible to eat HEALTHY without buying all organic? We make most meals from scratch, avoid HFCS and processed/pre-packaged foods, eat lots of fruits & veggies... but I rarely buy "organic" anything.
post #100 of 183
I don't eat organic or feed my family organic. It is a very calculated decision.

I amd all about sustainable living, and organic is, to be honest a buzzword that doesn't mean anything about how environmentally sound the growing practices were.

Take herbicides, for example. A single pass with glyphosate to knock down weeds and give your crop a head start in a no-till regime is better than five passes of tilling (especially with a tractor). And yet the high tillage regime that trashes the soil and the local waterways gets the organic label while the no-till does not.

And what is desirable about factory farmed cows being fed organic soybeans to be sold as organic meat and beef, compared to cows living normal lives, supplemented in the winter with (gasp) non-organic feed?
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