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bit off more house than we could chew....long, need advice!

post #1 of 16
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We made the BIG mistake of buying a house that needs some work...and the longer we have lived in it, the more work we are finding...!!! : We have lived here 2 1/2 years. At the time, the mortgage was cheaper than what we would have rented a 3 br for (this house is 4)

It is a 50-60 yr old 1 1/2 story. We have done the roof, the attic insulation, have done some painting ourselves (trust me every square inch needs it), regraded the soil, and replaced the furnace, hot water tank, and put in an air conditioner. We have unfortunatley found extensive mold in the basement in the perimeter (more than the corner behind some boxes we had originally seen...funny what you see when you pull a lower edge of wall off!) The grade of the soil towards the house is what I think the mold comes from.

It needs windows, wall insulation, new flooring, and for the siding to be finished (only 2/3 of it is sided). Plus, some cosmetic things like the bathroom done by the previous owner and a sloppy job at that....things like seeing where they mudded the drywall and didn't sand very well. I am more worried about bigger things like the insulation/windows though. Also, we have to take care of the basement. The kitchen sucks but I have painted the cupboards, and it is the least of my worries. In getting some quotes (haven't done for the basement yet) we are looking at least 20,000.00 work for this house there are 17 windows in it and those alone will be 10-12 000.0.

Don't ask me WHY we bought it...I am scratching my head to this day.

I AM SO DONE WITH THIS HOUSE!!!! Dh has big dreams of moving across the country to the Yukon where we lived 12 years ago. (As do I...we lived in the NWT actually just prior to this move and only came here so dh could go to paramedic school....which he failed and we now pay 125.oo per mo to a "lifelong learning plan"/RRSP which was our "student loan" and how it was funded...we have to replenish that RRSP each year or we get taxed on what we fall short) If we left, we would owe the power company the remaining loan for the furnace, etc that is left to be paid off. (it's added to the power bill every month). Plus, a real estate agent/lawyer, plus what ever loss we take. The market here has NOT plummeted at all, in fact is rising while the rest of Canada is taking a slight dip. I am hoping we could finish painting top to bottom, repair the affected basement walls, and if someone wants to buy a house that needs the windows, siding, and insulation and new floors then so be it. I would be happy getting what we have left owing on the house, then taking the loss pf all the other fees on a credit line or something.

Sis and I were discussing this. I have a visa bill (should be paid off in the next few months...it was stupid to put stuff on it, but we have it locked in the safety deposit box now....we pay the bare minimum on the line of credit till the visa is paid off and sock a fixed amount on the visa plus anything extra outside of our very detailed budget goes on it), and the amount we paid on the credit line was the same as we made for our vehicle payment so was quite manageable (it is a combo of two vehicles one bought for dh schooling and one almost paid off so we don't actually have a vehicle payment on top of this, some of dh's school expenses, and a previous credit card all rolled into one....23,000.00 total My goal was to have one payment, paid in 3-5 years and till we were dumb enough to have more cc expenses we were putting 5-600.00 per month on it. ). We have good credit, both have secure jobs especially me, and have 2 months expenses saved up although I would like that to be 6, plus some funds in savings like "vehicle maitenance funds", etc. Sis's point is that maybe we should just move and take the loss, and be happy at our new location, instead of sinking a major amount into a house and not be guarenteed of getting it back. With then market the way it is here, I think I MAY be able to get back what I owe on the mortgage so we wouldn't have as big a loss as what it would cost in the end to fix this place. Then, it would be renting for a year or so, and off to realize dh's dream. At least that is what we hope in the ideal world.

Aaaagh. I am so confused about all this. What do you do when you feel trapped???? Like in a house you know you have NO hope of ever fixing, and in a place/town you don't want to live?
post #2 of 16
I was in a situation similar to yours about two years ago. For us, we were facing redoing the kitchen, bathrooms and having it professionally landscaped. Instead, we put some cheap new carpet in, fixed a crack in the basement wall, and sold at precisely our mortgage payoff. In fact, during negotiations, the buyer offered just a little less than our list price and we countered with our exact mortgage payoff amount (right down to the $0.23) and had our Realtor tell them point-blank why it was wasn't a round number, so they could understand it was firm and why. It worked.

Then, similar to how you are planning, I put the closing costs and Realtor's commission (about $10k) on a credit credit at a fixed 6%, which is almost exactly the rate the mortgage used to be. (To clarify, it was actually a no-fee cash advance from my card). I actually had savings I could have used to cover it, but chose not to for various reasons. We had no other debt.

Then we moved and found a steal of a deal on a house with acreage in exactly the place we want to live for the rest of our lives. The cost of living is much lower here, so it's not hardly any pain at all to carve out money to pay off the "old house" debt. In fact, since I got such a good deal on the new house, I sort of consider the debt to be like a second mortgage on our new house. Had we not moved when we did, we would never have gotten a deal this good. In hindsight, I'm very happy we made the nonstandard choice we did instead of taking the usual advice of fixing up the house before we put it on the market. Our happiness for the past two years is definitely worth more than $10k to us.
post #3 of 16
We have a similar situation, and unfortunately I have no good advice for you. In our case, we impulsively bought a house in the country, assuming that the moldy, fixer-upper house in town would sell ... Three years later, and we are still paying the mortgages for two houses. The only offer we got on that house was for waaaay less than what we owed on it, but looking back I wish we would have sold it for that- at least then we wouldn't still be paying insurance and taxes on it year after year.

We do finally have "renters", except they're more like squatters, since they are friends of DH's who are hard up and pay only the utilities, no rent. At least they keep the house from being vandalized while empty, and keep the mold and warping from worsening by keeping it heated and cooled.

They say they want to buy the house eventually, but honestly I don't see that ever happening. I think we will be paying on this house until it is pd off, and eventually have the money to fix it up into sellable condition.

Luckily the house we're in now was a really good deal (it was a foreclosure), so the combined mortgages are not a hardship.

If I were you, I would just take the loss- I wish we would have done that 3 years ago!
post #4 of 16
I think you have a lot of options due to the good real estate market in your area. I would interview some realtors and ask them what are the top things they would recommend fixing up before you sell (give them a max $ amount if you want). That way you can balance the money you put into the house with what you will get in return (some cosmetic changes are a really good return on investment because of how they affect the home's "image").

Also, once you have an "exit plan" in place, you may find it less stressful/overwhelming.
post #5 of 16
Can you find new employment in the area you want to move to? 100% postive you can?


Find work, fix mold, sell house, move and be happy!
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by Thystle View Post
Can you find new employment in the area you want to move to? 100% postive you can?


Find work, fix mold, sell house, move and be happy!
ITA. The mold really has to be fixed though -- many banks won't approve financing for a house with mold. It can be really bad.
post #7 of 16
I'd fix the mold, do what you can to pretty it up a bit, and list it at the price of:
- what you owe on the mortgage +real estate fees + furnace debt

It doesn't cost you anything but effort to list it, and you never know.
post #8 of 16
You'll have a better idea of what your options are exactly by talking to a number of real estate experts in your area. Show them your house, ask them for their advice on what to fix to get it to sell and at what price.

Then, you can make decisions on where to put your time and money and what payoff you'll get. As you say, the market is still good where you are then you have options - just find out exactly what they are.

Best wishes.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Thystle View Post
Can you find new employment in the area you want to move to? 100% postive you can?


Find work, fix mold, sell house, move and be happy!

This is what I am scared of. As a nurse I am 100% confident I can get a job anywhere, BUT that may mean starting off as a casual for a while (I think they call them "per diem's" in the U.S.) which is working holidays and sick time of others or those "OMG it is soooo busy can you come in now?" sorts of days. We have moved before with me with a casual job, but not with kids, and not with this much debt.

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Originally Posted by Ola_ View Post
I think you have a lot of options due to the good real estate market in your area. I would interview some realtors and ask them what are the top things they would recommend fixing up before you sell (give them a max $ amount if you want). That way you can balance the money you put into the house with what you will get in return (some cosmetic changes are a really good return on investment because of how they affect the home's "image").

Also, once you have an "exit plan" in place, you may find it less stressful/overwhelming.
Well, for the amount of money I feel comfortable spending at this point, it is going to have to be paint, drywall upstairs, and at the very least replacing the drywall and/or insulation/framing on the offending walls in the basement. I do have a sick feeling there is more than meets the eye in this basement, like the tree roots roto-rooted out of our floor drain. . I cannot replace those things that are "curb appeal" like the siding, the windows and the flooring (laminate poorly installed and lifting, lino in my kitchen with duct tape in one place, and ORIGINAL probably 50 yr old lino in my bedroom upstairs). Also, I don't know how much 40+ year old wood cupboards are going to appeal to people, (although I majorly sanded, replaced knobs and handles and painted).

This is what I am trying to come to grips with....living here 5 or 10 years from now still struggling...what I am willing to add debt wise to that line of credit....and would in the end it all be less than what I would probably spend fixing the house up.

Like I said, I feel trapped and between a rock and a hard place, kicking my own @$$ right now.
post #10 of 16
can you get a dehumidifier for the basement? Wishing you luck, sounds like you want to move to a better place...
post #11 of 16
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can you get a dehumidifier for the basement? Wishing you luck, sounds like you want to move to a better place...
well we have 2 running all the time, but it is not that simple. There is NO ventilation in this house in the form of stove hood, or bathroom fans for that matter.
post #12 of 16
When you did the home inspection you knew about all this stuff (minus mold)? That really is ambitious At least you tried.

We are in a very similiar boat. I decided to list the house for the same price we bought it for. I am hoping that is key. We will have lost about 30K, but oh well. I decided you cant put a price on sanity and dare I say it, even happiness.

A lot of people want cheap fixer uppers. I think your sis is right. I like your plan.
post #13 of 16
I don't have any advice, just sending you a
post #14 of 16
Well at the moment you are stuck living there. At "this" moment.



So you NEED to address the mold asap........ you can't live in it. Put ALL of your energy into fixing that as soon as possible. You need that to live safely!


THEN you can worry about everything else!



Since you are "stuck" there for right now, make your house safe first and then try to cheaply "pretty it up" as best you can. Then try to sell it.



If you can't sell it... then at least it is a "safe" roof over your head with fresh new paint. If you end up having to stay for awhile you can replace other little things.




If you end having to be there for years, you can fix bigger things and try harder to find a way to "accept" where you live and find happiness in it somehow.




You are meant to be there at this point in your life... in twenty years you will look back and see the answer as to why. But for now the universe or powers that be have you there.
post #15 of 16
I would fix the mold problem asap no matter what you plan to do.

It sounds like you are overwhelmed in this house. I was going to reassure you that most of us probably feel the same way you do about our houses. I love my house, and yet I can tick off a hundred things about it right now that need to be fixed eventually. But if you don't want to live there, then it doesn't matter what condition it is.

It sounds like you've already made some major improvements to it. The new roof and furnace and the other things will be major selling points. If you want to sell it, then what I would do, to put it on the market is:
1. Fix the mold issue in the basement. No one will want to buy it with mold problems.
2. Finish up the siding so that it looks nice from the outside.
3. Do some painting to the areas inside that are really bad.

Then just do the usual, keep it as clean and decluttered as possible for potential buyers to see.
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