Originally Posted by Mommy2Austin
It is hard to watch our kiddos go through anything. Especially pain
but for me (croup is one I'm not sure about isn't that one you can get again and again? as in it doesn't gain you immunity to have it?) I feel safer having my kiddos get CP, measles, mumps, etc than mess with vaccines that may not give them immunity in adulthood and have to deal with the scary aspect of them getting it as an adult. Hep B vax I will allow my child to choose once they are old enough to make an informed decision (14-15 yo?) about their sexual activity (not that I want them having sex at 14/15 but if the think that they will be more likely to have sex before marriage then they can be prepared and decide what they think is important.) Flu vaccines in my opinion are just obscene. We're making superbugs by not allowing ourselves to just go through the illness. Yeah it sucks and yes some people may die, but thats better than ending up with a super bug that kills anyone and anything regardless of vaccination status.
So there are no vaccines right now that I plan to run out and have my kids get. If there ever was one to come out that I thought they/we should have I'd be the first one in line. Until that day we'll stay the way we are
Austin seems fine this morning. No fever and no pain. So I'm not sure what it was. I'll see how he does tonight.
Thanks for talking some calm-down sense into me. Sometimes it's hard to see the calmer side of the arguement when the scary is happening. Glad to hear Austin is feeling better!
Originally Posted by flapjack
Teeny, croup isn't always nothing. Isaac needed a tracheotomy during an attack, without it we'd have lost him. Horrible thing
and I'm glad she's OK (For the curious, it's a viral inflammation of the larynx, subsequent attacks tend to be more serious and something like 60% of children who have a croup attack requiring hospitalisation go on to develop asthma.) Next time you talk to your ped, I'd talk about the pneumococcal vaccine. If they suggest nebulising again, ask for the studies to show the benefits: oral steroids (prednisolone) are far more effective.
And no, flu vaccines don't cause antibiotic resistant bacteria, because flu is a virus. Antibiotic abuse causes resistant bacteria (superbugs) but yes, they're nasty.
slgt, I'm not that much of a geek, honest. Rajahkat joined the moms of many thread (which I post on) and StrawberryFields was in a thread about kids with birthdays close together, and mentioned that her new one is due in January. I have a weird memory for people and places and things, sometimes.
OK, crankiness over. My family are bugging me
I'm fed up of tidying up after people whose sole ambition is to leave a mess everywhere they go, and I'm fed up of caring.
OMG. A tracheotomy, poor guy. I had no idea anything about the nebulizer and the steroid treatments. It's funny because you go in just hoping for something to work and don't get much time to make a decision about what treatments they're giving you. Fortunately it seems they did work for her. She's still sick, but no where near as bad as she was feeling. She doesn't have the 80tons of phelgm blocking her airways and she isn't constantly crying ow ow ow. the idea of her getting it again is rather unsettling.
I had no idea about the connection between croup and asthma. Makes me wonder about my own chronic nighttime cough in my childhood years and wonder if DD's got any precursors for it.
Originally Posted by Dea
We're going to need an octuplets DDC! (where all of the feb 08 mamas can come and play too!)
slgt, awww thanks, that is so true. I know what will be will be, but I stress. I shouldn't, 'cause I bet that it won't help anything. I feel a little slighted I guess. But then I'm being selfish.
Okay croup is whooping cough?
Also I am kinda pissed at my ped, but only 'cause I should really be mad at myself. He doesn't push me to vax, but he is rather persistant, but he will let me go on my own schedule, and we seem to have settled on one shot her well baby visit. So Trixie's had 3 dtaps and 2 Hibs.... her last dtap (and it will be her last one) was on May 27, and she got a fever and still has a GIANT lump in her arm from it. GRRRR! She had one before and he confirmed that it's not normal, not bad, but not normal. But it's still there, and there's still a shadow of an ugly bruise. I just don't want to do any more. I argue and argue with DH about this. I want her to get natural immunities, but he thinks vaxes are safer, blah blah blah. Luckily I take her to the peds, if he did, he would catch her up on everything all at once. (then I would kick his ass!) I am so worried about a serious reaction (oddly though I don't believe there is a link to autisim, I don't want to argue, it's just the result of me doing a lot of reading) So here we are, done with the 2 sets I've started and now I know he'll want more, and hearing that people have caught stuff just from people who've vaxed just seems wrong. sigh.
Okay I know I just opened a can of worms... sorry all!
Dea, I'm with you. I think sometimes I should, sometimes I shouldn't, but that most of it's confusing at best and there isn't a whole lot of middle ground information. It seems like alot of our DDCers are somewhere in between. The ER doc told us we needed to vax her because she could get some of those "really nasty bugs" like measels. I always thought measles was a chicken pox sort of disease, miserable, but not lethal unless there are other health conditions.
Originally Posted by ema-adama
I have been MIA for a while....
and so much is going on.
Teeny, I hope Nara is feeling better. Hillel had croup a while ago. It was very scary and difficult to see him struggling to breath like that. We did take him in for the ped to check him over - and he prescribe steroids which had me a little curious. I have to admit I am not a fan of giving kids such strong medication unless they really need it. Hillel's croup was mild enough that I did not see his nostrils flaring or serious signs of lack of air getting into his lungs (retractions between his ribs or at the base of his neck between the collar bones, blue lips). He just made an awful noise breathing and it was worse if he was upset - so keeping him calm and happy was essential. Which meant I needed to be calm.
Anyway, I decided not to give the steroids as soon as I read Sears who says that the 2nd and 3rd night are always the worst. I wanted to see if he would get better without any drugs, always alert to how much he was struggling to breath should we need to go to the ER.
So, in our case, it was pretty much over after the 3rd night and was all about gone after a week. When it was really acute it helped to have a steamy bath and then go out for a walk in a sling. He just wanted to be suggled and loved and the cool night air seemed to help in contrast to the warm steamy air in the bath.
There is no vax for croup. It is a viral infection, leading some pedi's to recommend the flu vax as a preventative measure, but I remember not being convinced that this would indeed do anything. I can't remember finding any studies to back this up, with it rather being a pet theory of some doctors....
It is not in any way connected to whooping cough, even though some doctors do get them confused. Whooping cough is caused by a bacteria and the cause of the whoop is a toxin that aggravates the bronchi released by the bacteria. There are antibiotics available for whooping cough if you catch it in time, to treat the bacteria. But once the toxins are released/you are coughing, the antibiotics won't help. I have read that high doses of vit C can make whooping cough less severe... although I am still not sure how I will treat it when Hillel comes down with it.
Oh, I've said this before here I think, but I don't medicate Hillel's fever (to date he has only had one high one of about 39.5 - 40 celcius - it too stressful measuring it, but he was hot.) he settled on my breast so I was happy not giving anything. If he had been really uncomfortable I would have medicated him to sooth him, but I am not a fan of medicating fevers down - they are doing a job and there is no evidence that medicating fevers prevents febrile seizures, which is a concern when fevers suddenly spike.
Otherwise - we are well. Enjoying the summer here. I am chugging away at becoming a LLL leader and Adi is looking for a new job.... we might find ourselves in the UK, or even the US
: We'll see though. For now things are actually good here. The family are all under control and Adi is being a star keeping his mother in check
Oh, and I am getting into making chicken soup stocks and am even trying my hand at kefir..... getting probiotics and minerals into my system has become a priority. And I am jumping back inot the no sugar thing. South Africa ruined my no sugar rule with far too many tempting and delicous treats - and hence a subsequent weight gain.... Rynna, how is your atkins going?
Hmmmmm, I think I've said enough for today
Maybe I ought to have bought that Sears book. I think I need to do more research on childhood diseases. I didn't see any retraction on her ribs, but the choking on her own gunk made me worried enough.
How exciting to become a LLL leader! Good for you! Great to see you making chicken stocks and kefir! I love making stock. I'm not the best at kefir - well I can make it, but then I don't know what to do with it. heh. NO sugar is a hard thing to do, but I figure better to strive for no sugar than to just sugar up willy-nilly!
Originally Posted by smokeylo
Teeny, how terrifying! I remember how scared we were taking Robin to the ER for pneumonia at 13 months. I felt so confused about vax, too, since we did get her the Pc vaccine and yet here we were with pneumonia (I know pneumonia is caused by lots of stuff). There's just no way we can protect our kids from every bug out there, whether we vax completely or partially or not at all.
FWIW I vax on a delayed/selective schedule and increasingly feel like that's the right thing for our family do. I don't regret any of the vaccines I've had Robin receive, and I still feel pretty strongly that some aren't necessary at this age (STD related ones, and we don't do the flu shot because we tend to get sick from them). Thank goodness we're moving out of the stage where they want you to do 5 shots per visit -- it's much easier to time/space out shots when we aren't dealing with a bunch. Our ped has been nice about it but some friends who also see him say they've been getting flak as of late -- so I wonder what will happen when we go to see him in June. I'm now comfortable enough with what we're doing to say "um, no, we're going to do it my way" without fear.
So far week 8 of this pregnancy has been good to me... I only feel really shitty in the evening, and I take a unisom then and it knocks it out. I'm counting down to the end of the first tri
: slowest thing EVER!!! Only one more month...
I"m so glad to hear you're feeling good this pregnancy.
Originally Posted by Dea
I love snappis and prefolds. I love getting them on right and just marveling at how a rectangular chunk of diaper makes the perfect diaper!
(I over think EVERYTHING!)
OH yeah, I love them too! It's one of those wierd things my mom and I have bonded on (since I'm the only one who's done cloth). Granted we use mostly OS pockets now, but I do bust out the occasional flat and cover, because the simplicity of it is amazing!
This weekend was certainly a tiresome one. Nara slept alot, cried alot, nursed alot, therefore I did much of the same. Heh. (Well, I didn't cry so much as I was whiny and cranky, and I got less sleep than I wanted.) DH and I did have a nice time at my cousin's wedding, so that was nice. Nara was in the capable hands of our neighbors whom she loves. Thanks all for well wishes for Nara. She's doing better, but still coughs a bit and is snotty and hoarse. She's got her appetite back, thankfully. But I reckon she will be nursing frequently for a good while yet.
Does anyone feel comfortable sharing their vax schedule? I"m starting to really settle out what to get for her and I just don't know. There was a local pox party this past week, but with Nara's croup I wasn't going to push it. DH's never had chicken pox, so I"m wondering about it from that angle too. DD has had one round of a few vaxes, but that was at 7 months old or something.
WRT talking - this girl is a talker, for sure. Not sure how many words because I've never counted them. She signs some, but she's got enough spoken words, she only seems to sign "thank you" and never say it though, funny that. Her new thing is "niiiiiiiiice" for whenever Gramma gets her a new outfit or has knitted her something new. Sometimes if she says "really niiiiiice." She also will pick up a book, and flip through pages saying nonsense syllables in a tone as if she were reading a story. It's terribly cute.