So my dad's dog had a vaccine reaction

[just_lily]

And almost died. He took his one-year-old miniature schnauzers (he has two) in for their check ups and vax, and one of them collapsed while he was paying his bill. They had to inject him with epi and revive him.

So he called and told me that I might to be on to something with this whole no-vax thing.

He was previously fairly neutral on the issue, but is now pretty convinced that vaccines aren't just like a big hug afterall. Suffice it to say his dogs won't be getting and more vax, and is quite supportive of his granddaughter remaining vaccine-free.

[Sparkle*Mama]

Oh how sad! I hope his dog recovers well! Unfortunately it took such a sad incident for him to see what can happen.

[jan8borest]

Did they confirm that the shots were what caused the dog to collaps? I mean that could happen at anytime to any dog. I can understand why he might be concerned - but I don't see the direct corrolation between the dog's vax's and childrens.

[ericswifey27]

Really? You don't see the connection here? That is exactly what happened to my nephew when he almost died after his vaccinations. Totally coincidental, they said. Must have picked up some unknown virus that caused him to seize repeatedly, turn purple and blue and now require phenobarbital (and other) daily medication. But hey the two events have no connection to each other, totally random!!! Many like to say. When it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it IS.

And to the OP I am so sorry about what happened to your dad's dog. Thank goodness he is connecting the dots.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by ericswifey27

Really? You don't see the connection here? That is exactly what happened to my nephew when he almost died after his vaccinations. Totally coincidental, they said. Must have picked up some unknown virus that caused him to seize repeatedly, turn purple and blue and now require phenobarbital (and other) daily medication. But hey the two events have no connection to each other, totally random!!! Many like to say. When it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it IS.

Maybe the dog almost died right after known toxins were injected into his tiny body becasue he was being bullied by neighborhood dogs? The medical profession tried that one on a young girl who became paralyzed after vaccination.

Half of my brother in law's face was paralyzed within a day of vaccination. When the doctor, who gave him the shot, was asked if the vaccine could have caused it, the doctor said no way. The doctor said it was a "virus." He had no proof it was a virus, but he was positive it wasn't the shot his office administered. I guess if you wear a white coat you can pretty much say anything you want that makes no sense at all and somehow it becomes fact.

[just_lily]

Originally Posted by jan8borest

Did they confirm that the shots were what caused the dog to collaps? I mean that could happen at anytime to any dog. I can understand why he might be concerned - but I don't see the direct corrolation between the dog's vax's and childrens.

Well it happened within about 10 minutes of receiving the vax. My dad was just out in the waiting room paying his bill. Both dogs were previously very healthy. The vet revived him using the standard protocol for when dogs have vaccine reactions.

My dad didn't end up having to pay for any of that, because the vet told him it would be covered by the vaccine manufacturer.

I think it is pretty clear that yes, it was a vaccine reaction. Vets don't seem to want to cover it up like physicians do.

I never said there was a direct corelation between dogs and children. We had already decided that vaccines aren't right for our family long before this happened. It was just an experience that made my dad think that perhaps I am on to something.

So far the dog seems fine, and hopefully there won't be any long term effects. Suffice it to say, my dad won't be vaxing him anymore!

[emma1325]

So what do people do when they don't vax their dogs and need to board them? And aren't some pet shots legally mandated? (we're thinking of getting a dog soon.)

[Baby_Vol]

Originally Posted by emma1325

So what do people do when they don't vax their dogs and need to board them? And aren't some pet shots legally mandated? (we're thinking of getting a dog soon.)

My dog had as severe vaccine reaction too. It was slightly different than the OPs ..my boxers face and throat swelled to where she couldn't breath. They had to give her a shot to help the swelling go down, and yes, it was the vaccine.

Anyway, we don't board our dogs, so I'm not sure how that would work? We just have our neighbors look after them while we are away on vacation.

Rabies is the only one required by law. You can get in trouble if your dog bites someone and hasn't had the rabbies vax. We still do that one ....but only that one ...and only every 3 years.


ETA: Rabbies is the only one required by law *in our area* ...I should have added that. It may vary in different parts of the world.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by jan8borest

Did they confirm that the shots were what caused the dog to collaps? I mean that could happen at anytime to any dog. I can understand why he might be concerned - but I don't see the direct corrolation between the dog's vax's and childrens.

Actually normal healthy 1 yr old dogs do not collapse for no reason and something like this does not happen at anytime or any reason IM. The dog had an anaphylactic reaction (hence the need for epi) to the vaccine. Pretty cut and dry. These types of reactions can happen to any human or animal in reaction to any drug. Vaccines drugs. To the OP glad the dog survived and your dad is beginning to open his mind a bit.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by emma1325

So what do people do when they don't vax their dogs and need to board them? And aren't some pet shots legally mandated? (we're thinking of getting a dog soon.)

Yes this is an issue....Boarding facilities and grooming facilities both requires dogs to be "up to date". We do not board our dog and we bathe him ourselves. We ran into 1 problem 2 years ago when our dag became ill with colitis. They kept him all day at the vet doing tests in their hospital area. When I went to pick him up I noticed on the bill that he had had two vaccines (without my knowledge or permission). I was told that in order for our dog to be kept in the hospital area for any length of time he needed to be up to date on certain shots (can't remeber which ones). I was pissed they did it without consulting me and told them so, but in the end even if they had called, I would have had to consent because otherwise they couldn't or wouldn't have treated him. I have since found that most all vets have this same rule for their "hospital".

[MammaV]

We see a vet that will write a medical exemption for animals with vax issues. We take our kitties there and they are not vaxed and there is no pressure to have them vaxed. Our vet is also an ND and has assured me that there are alternative methods for healing through common pet vpds.

[angie7]

My SIL's dog died after receiving her rabies shot. Within 4 hours of the shot was having seizures, within a few days she was completely deaf, blind and disoriented and within a week, she was dead

Originally Posted by emma1325

So what do people do when they don't vax their dogs and need to board them? And aren't some pet shots legally mandated? (we're thinking of getting a dog soon.)

My dogs are not vaxed (well haven't been in 8+ years) and I refuse to board my dogs. If I can't find someone to come to my home and care for my dogs, then I don't go anywhere. But if I were to get in a really tight pinch (family emergency, etc.) I have a friend that owns her own store that boards dogs that also doesn't vax so I could board them there.

[crunchymamato3]

Our English Cocker almost died after his first round of shots...at 9 years old he is extremly healthy now and has not been vaxed since. We have found a groomer that doesn't require the vaxs and we have neighbors dog sit when we have to leave. His license is not current, though it hasn't been a problem for us.

[kriket]

sorry to hear about the puppy!

we only vax our dogs for rabies. be careful with ivermectin based heart stuff too. collies and shepherds shouldn't have them. the vet tried to give my dog ivermectin an actually gave me the 'i have a collie and shes fine' line : there is another option that is just as effective, just because that company isn't throwing you kick backs
/rant

glad to see q's are being asked! sorry the puppy had to get sick.

[ASusan]

Originally Posted by just_lily

My dad didn't end up having to pay for any of that, because the vet told him it would be covered by the vaccine manufacturer.

So very sad that it doesn't happen this way with humans.

[emma1325]

What about heart worm medication...is that considered a vaccine? If you don't use the stuff, is there something else you can you do to prevent heartworms?

[AbbieB]

I had a similar experience with our family dog. Very scary. Since the dog was technically my Mom's dog she continued to get yearly shots.

The vet did have an awareness of this kind of thing happening (admitted that some dogs react and can die) so the solution was to spread out the shots and monitor.

The vet also admitted that some of the shots the dog was getting would shorten her life. Mom still felt the shots were necessary.

I was in my early 20's at this time. I had completely forgotten about it until I read this thread. I wonder if this experience helped me to be OK with not vaxing our children?

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by AbbieB

I had a similar experience with our family dog. Very scary. Since the dog was technically my Mom's dog she continued to get yearly shots.

The vet did have an awareness of this kind of thing happening (admitted that some dogs react and can die) so the solution was to spread out the shots and monitor.

The vet also admitted that some of the shots the dog was getting would shorten her life. Mom still felt the shots were necessary.

I was in my early 20's at this time. I had completely forgotten about it until I read this thread. I wonder if this experience helped me to be OK with not vaxing our children?

I think it is so interesting how a vet will freely admit that vaccines carry risks and some will shorten an animals life. (My vet has also told me this about certain vaccines). They can do this because our society sees animals as expendable. Can you imagine if a doctor told a parent that some of the life saving vaccines their child was about to receive may shorten their life??

[ASusan]

My aunt raises show dogs (Irish Setters - crazy dogs!), and she says that it is well known in the show dog world that vaccines cause problems. The vets and owners freely discuss it and accept it.

Similarly, with cats, there are certain vaccines that are associated with cancers and tumors. My cat reacted badly to one of her vaccines, and she's never received it again. (Sorry, I can't remember which one. It's in her records, though, and I make sure that each time I move, I get her vet records sent along demonstrating the documented vaccine reaction.)

[kriket]

Originally Posted by emma1325

What about heart worm medication...is that considered a vaccine? If you don't use the stuff, is there something else you can you do to prevent heartworms?

i consider it in the same boat as preventative flea treatments. i live in an area where both are bad (fleas carry heart worm) so we do both. but like i mentioned before do your research on that too.

i don't believe there is anything else you can do for heart worm