Response to Dr. Andrew Moulden

[JoJo4780]

I just finished watching the DVD series by Dr. Andrew Moulden of Ontario. I was really disappointed in how unprofessional the DVDs were. He really needs a producer. However, if what he says is true it's a phenomenal discovery and would explain so much! Basically he says that autism, ADHD, Gulf War syndrome, dementia, Altzheimers, and many other disorders (even diabetes) are all caused by the same reaction of the body to a foreign substance. A quick rundown: something foreign stimulates the immune system. White blood cells (wbc) in the blood vessels lock down to the vessel wall and swarm the area. This along with other factors slows down blood flow (he calls it "sludging" of the blood). A clot is created in capillaries, the tiniest of blood vessels. These are only big enough for a singe red blood cell, which are smaller than wbc, to fit through. When the capillaries are blocked, whole areas of tissue are deprived of Oxygen; basically, it's a stroke. These happen all over the body to all organs and a lot of damage is done to the brain. I found it very interesting what he said about Aluminum and the fact that it causes cells to clump. It's used in water treatment plants to cause matter to stick together and sink to the bottom; it's in vaccines and it does the same thing in our blood. Scary! All of these little strokes are happening silently, and it's cummulative. He has pictures of kids before and after shots and shows how the corner of their mouths turn down and their eyes do not move together. Classic stroke symptoms! And it's not always easy to see nor can it always be seen with the naked eye but brain damage is being done according to this Dr. The body reacts the same way to vaccines, bacteria, viruses, environmental polutants, chemicals in our food and water, etc. Very interesting. There is a lot more info but it's not presented very well, which is a shame. But this guy is on to something!

[Marnica]

I have watched these DVD's as well. I agree that the presentation is cheesy. He obviously did them himself on his own dime. But if you can get past this the science he presents is sound. I agree he is on to something.

[Free Thinker]

I was just coming to ask about this. I found his website yesterday and his promo thingy on it wasn't well done. I was hoping to give a copy to my in-residency cousin who wants to be a ped (and thinks I am CRAZY!). If it's not professional, I hate to show it to her. His little promo sounded really interesting, though. I do think he may be on to something.

ANd as an aside, this select/delay vaxing mama is quickly becoming a no-vaxing mama after just watching th elittle promo. He did make sense and he does sound like he has some credible science behind him. I think that is what has kept me from wholey believing the whole vax/autism thing, no real evidence either way. I always felt like there was something to it, but never really knew what it was.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by JoJo4780

I just finished watching the DVD series by Dr. Andrew Moulden of Ontario. I was really disappointed in how unprofessional the DVDs were. He really needs a producer. However, if what he says is true it's a phenomenal discovery and would explain so much! Basically he says that autism, ADHD, Gulf War syndrome, dementia, Altzheimers, and many other disorders (even diabetes) are all caused by the same reaction of the body to a foreign substance. A quick rundown: something foreign stimulates the immune system. White blood cells (wbc) in the blood vessels lock down to the vessel wall and swarm the area. This along with other factors slows down blood flow (he calls it "sludging" of the blood). A clot is created in capillaries, the tiniest of blood vessels. These are only big enough for a singe red blood cell, which are smaller than wbc, to fit through. When the capillaries are blocked, whole areas of tissue are deprived of Oxygen; basically, it's a stroke. These happen all over the body to all organs and a lot of damage is done to the brain. I found it very interesting what he said about Aluminum and the fact that it causes cells to clump. It's used in water treatment plants to cause matter to stick together and sink to the bottom; it's in vaccines and it does the same thing in our blood. Scary! All of these little strokes are happening silently, and it's cummulative. He has pictures of kids before and after shots and shows how the corner of their mouths turn down and their eyes do not move together. Classic stroke symptoms! And it's not always easy to see nor can it always be seen with the naked eye but brain damage is being done according to this Dr. The body reacts the same way to vaccines, bacteria, viruses, environmental polutants, chemicals in our food and water, etc. Very interesting. There is a lot more info but it's not presented very well, which is a shame. But this guy is on to something!

Great overview. I agree that he is definitely onto something. The video presentation is poor, but this is what you get from someone who is not sucking up to the money men. The repeating music in the background was almost annoying.

He shows his evidence. The pictures, the videos, the bloodstream, the anoxic response, the strokes. What he shows makes all the sense in the world and it is why I tell people who ask about vaccines to look into him.

My favorite story from him is when he was invited to show proof of his findings and when he showed up security guards with hands on guns told him to go away immediately, and they put the facility on high alert. Seriously.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Free Thinker

I was just coming to ask about this. I found his website yesterday and his promo thingy on it wasn't well done. I was hoping to give a copy to my in-residency cousin who wants to be a ped (and thinks I am CRAZY!). If it's not professional, I hate to show it to her. His little promo sounded really interesting, though. I do think he may be on to something.

ANd as an aside, this select/delay vaxing mama is quickly becoming a no-vaxing mama after just watching th elittle promo. He did make sense and he does sound like he has some credible science behind him. I think that is what has kept me from wholey believing the whole vax/autism thing, no real evidence either way. I always felt like there was something to it, but never really knew what it was.

I'm sure any provaxer would quickly discredit his wrok based on his presentation being unprfessional, just like Janine Roberts investigatory book "Fear of the invisible" was tossed out by some based on the fact that her websites/and or book had typos and were "unprofessional". Foe an unprofessional journalist she sure has won a few awards. I think it's the same with Dr. Moulden. People who are not open to science suggesting that vaccines are harmful will disregard his work and discredit him. Happens to most scientists and docs who speak out or publish work that goes against the mainsteam view. I am reading "Evidence of Harm" and there is alot of that that went on a few yaers ago when scientists started publishing things that suggested mercury may play a role in autism

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by Marnica

I think it's the same with Dr. Moulden. People who are not open to science suggesting that vaccines are harmful will disregard his work and discredit him.

When people attack the presentation and can't refute the information that says it all. I've heard Dr. Moulden give several interviews and the man is smart, really smart. One of the things that has always bugged me about autistic children is how they cannot handle touch or other sensory responses. They walk on tiptoes and take off all their clothes and don't want to be held or hugged. I've worked with autistic children for a lot of years now, and it really bothered me that I couldn't figure out why this was happening. Dr. Moulden was the 1st person I'd found that explained that.

[Tracy]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

When people attack the presentation and can't refute the information that says it all. I've heard Dr. Moulden give several interviews and the man is smart, really smart. One of the things that has always bugged me about autistic children is how they cannot handle touch or other sensory responses. They walk on tiptoes and take off all their clothes and don't want to be held or hugged. I've worked with autistic children for a lot of years now, and it really bothered me that I couldn't figure out why this was happening. Dr. Moulden was the 1st person I'd found that explained that.

the whole thread is interesting. But what was his explanation for the tiptoe walking?

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by Tracy

the whole thread is interesting. But what was his explanation for the tiptoe walking?

Dr. Moulden shows how vaccinations cause a non-specific immune response to occur. The white blood cells rush to the scene in response to all the nasty stuff in vaccines. These cells are larger than the red blood cells and are in such abundance (and you can witness this in his videos) that they block the red blood cells from bringing oxygen to the area. He calls this sludging. This creates anoxia resulting in microvascular strokes. He shows lots of pictures of children having strokes. Most people would not recognize it, but he stops the video and shows the eyes and lips droop, the eyes go in different directions, the face droop and all the other asymmetry. It’s pretty amazing.

Anyhow, one area that is strongly effected by this anoxic response is the thalamus. Because the thalamus plays such a crucial role in the sensory systems, any stroke damage to this area could result in a response of sensory overload. Sounds and touch and even visual stimuli that were once simple to process become too much to handle when the thalamus is effected by these microvascular strokes. It’s a reason autistic children often have tantrums or bad behavior at supermarkets and places with bright lights, loud noises and lots of stimuli. These children simply cannot handle all the input because of the damage done. It hurts to walk on their entire feet so they tiptoe. It hurts to be hugged. Sounds, like voices, can be too much. Most of the DSM diagnosis for autism relates to social and communication problems. If it is overwhelming and painful to communicate who wouldn’t become isolated and remain quiet?

What I really like about Dr. Moulden is that he fills in the holes of Dr. Wakefield’s information. Wakefield is on the right track, but he is confusing cause and effect.

[Sileree]

Wow. Fascinating! I'm going to have to look at it myself.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

Anyhow, one area that is strongly effected by this anoxic response is the thalamus.

Will I understand why the thalamus in particular is affected by watching the video?

I am facinating by sensory processing disorders and I am only starting to look into this a bit more, amongst many other things. I am learning a lot from the Jean Ayres book on sensory integration and the child - I am sure you are familiar with it.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

Will I understand why the thalamus in particular is affected by watching the video?

I am facinating by sensory processing disorders and I am only starting to look into this a bit more, amongst many other things. I am learning a lot from the Jean Ayres book on sensory integration and the child - I am sure you are familiar with it.

Nobody knows why certain area are affected in a particular child. He is clear that ALL organs and tissues experience this sludging. He is very through and I think it will answer alot of questions

[Scattershoot]

He specifically discusses the thalamus in a couple of his radio interviews. You can read the transcripts of a few if you Google Dr. Moulden interview. The first few chapters of his book at his website are a good resource, but I don't recall specific thalamus info nor do I recall that in his video series. The 6 hours on his dvd series will break it down.

I don't recall the Ayres book getting into autism much, but it came out such a long time ago and the autism explosion is only a couple of decades old. Good book though.

[ema-adama]

OT - but I have not yet read the chapter on Autism, but the 25th (2005) anniversary edition has a chapter on only Autism. Yes, a really good resource for parents and therapists alike.

[Scattershoot]

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[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

OT - but I have not yet read the chapter on Autism, but the 25th (2005) anniversary edition has a chapter on only Autism. Yes, a really good resource for parents and therapists alike.

Thank you. I only recall a couple of pages from the book being on autism so maybe this is new to this edition. I could be wrong though. Not to sidetrack this thread, but I think understanding the role of sensory integration is so important and there are many levels to it. My involvement has been with the regressive austistic type that Wakefield discusses. It is such a severe level of what I now refer to as sensory injury. What's interesting to me is that as the vaccine schedule has increased so has the severity and prevalence of sensory integration issues we are seeing. I would love to see someone like Dr. Moulden get together with an understanding like a Dr. Ayres (it would be interesting to see her take on what is happening now) and put a book out combining this information.

[ema-adama]

Unfortunately she passed away in 1988. However, people continue to work with her findings and new work is being done on sensory integration. Facinating work for people passionate about the health and development of young children.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

Unfortunately she passed away in 1988. However, people continue to work with her findings and new work is being done on sensory integration. Facinating work for people passionate about the health and development of young children.

My posts were fast and furious this morning and in rereading them not very cognizant. I knew Dr. Ayres had passed, and I was musing at what a Dr. Moulden and a Dr. Ayres could do together or similar minded and knowledgeable individuals.

There is such a large variation of sensory integration issues. This is the beauty of Dr. Moulden's information. He shows how there are degrees to all this. It's not all or nothing, so when people argue "almost everyone gets vaccinated and only a small percentage have autism so obviously vaccination does not cause it," there is a logical reason. Vaccination is not the root of all of it, but I do wonder how much of an influence it is. He does help show that all vaccination causes damage.

[anewmama]

Originally Posted by Marnica

But if you can get past this the science he presents is sound.

What are you using to determine that his science is sound?

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by anewmama

What are you using to determine that his science is sound?

My own personal interpretation of the information that he presents. (Live video of blood sludging happening after a vaccine for example) You can see what he is describing happening. Seeing something with my own eyes is convincing to me. This is his own work, nobody else is hypothesizing what he is proposing is happening so there are no "studies" to post here.