Where is it illegal?

[snangel]

I know circ is illegal in a few countries but i can't find my links I had as to which ones...anyone know?

[Fellow Traveler]

Nowhere. There are some restriction in South Africa and Sweeden but nothing of consequence.

[snangel]

Isn't it illegal in Australia, and Finland....or banned, or something of the sort...

[QueenOfTheMeadow]

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[knucklehead]

Originally Posted by snangel

I know circ is illegal in a few countries but i can't find my links I had as to which ones...anyone know?

Well here in the good old US of A it is illegal. But only if you're a girl of course.

[pixiekisses]

It's illegal to do on girls here, but I guess that goes for many countrys.

Originally Posted by Fellow Traveler

Nowhere. There are some restriction in South Africa and Sweeden but nothing of consequence.

The new law in Sweden states that it is illegal unless a doctor or nurse does it, there's been made a few exceptions, but an absolute demand is that it is done with pain meds so the boy doesn't feel anything during the procedure.

[Fellow Traveler]

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[hakeber]

Finland bans it under the age of sixteen if for cosmetic reasons only. Australia has tried to do the same, as well as, but nothing has been passed that I know of.

[needhelpplease]

It's banned for non-medical reasons in public hospitals in 5 Australian states (out of 6 and 2 territories) but it's still perfectly legal, you can get it done in private hospitals or other clinics. Just not in public hospitals. So you can't just have your baby and hand them over to be done, you have to make an appointment, pay etc.

One guy has suggested making it illegal but nothing has been done so far; in fact they are unfortunately thinking of clarifying the law to point out that it is not illegal, and provide protection to those doing the surgery.

[azchickie]

It's unnecessary to make it illegal in other countries because it is not the norm anyways (in most countries.) Most people have the common sense not to do it, and don't need a law to tell them what to do.

Some hospitals in the US do not practice non-medical circumcision.

Question though: How does a country regulate a ban on circumcision? It can be done in the home.

[Treece]

I thought it was illegal in Denmark and Finland. Maybe I was wrong, but that's what I thought.

And of course, female circ is illegal in most Western nations.

[Fellow Traveler]

Originally Posted by needhelpplease

It's banned for non-medical reasons in public hospitals in 5 Australian states (out of 6 and 2 territories) but it's still perfectly legal, you can get it done in private hospitals or other clinics. Just not in public hospitals. So you can't just have your baby and hand them over to be done, you have to make an appointment, pay etc.

One guy has suggested making it illegal but nothing has been done so far; in fact they are unfortunately thinking of clarifying the law to point out that it is not illegal, and provide protection to those doing the surgery.

This is pretty much right. As far as Australia. The guy you're talking about is Paul Mason, Children's Commissioner in Tasmania Australia. He is very anti circ and attended the Genital Integrity Conference in England last September. Although I think he would prefer legislation against it to come out of this review (which he kind of got started) I think realistically that is a long shot. There might be restrictions, such as like those in Sweden. Which I guess is a start. I don't think you'll see protection come out of this.

[snangel]

Originally Posted by Treece

I thought it was illegal in Denmark and Finland. Maybe I was wrong, but that's what I thought.

And of course, female circ is illegal in most Western nations.

That is what I thought as well, that is why i am confused....thanks for the clarification.

[Ron_Low]

Originally Posted by needhelpplease

It's banned for non-medical reasons in public hospitals in 5 Australian states (out of 6 and 2 territories) but it's still perfectly legal

Whereas the official policy of the US medical associations is that the known drawbacks and risks outweigh the potential benefits, the policy in Australia is that it SHOULD NOT BE DONE before 6 months of age.

Both policies are ignored.

94% of the world's population is protected by law (if not always by enforcement) from female genital cutting.

I contend that infant male circumcision is NOW illegal here in the US simply because it constitutes assault, forcible restraint, and brutal mayhem all without a diagnosis of defect or pathology and without first trying less-invasive and less-harmful remedies for whatever it is meant to treat.

-Ron

[perspective]

Originally Posted by Ron_Low

Whereas the official policy of the US medical associations is that the known drawbacks and risks outweigh the potential benefits, the policy in Australia is that it SHOULD NOT BE DONE before 6 months of age.

Both policies are ignored.

94% of the world's population is protected by law (if not always by enforcement) from female genital cutting.

I contend that infant male circumcision is NOW illegal here in the US simply because it constitutes assault, forcible restraint, and brutal mayhem all without a diagnosis of defect or pathology and without first trying less-invasive and less-harmful remedies for whatever it is meant to treat.

-Ron

You are the guy who is the lawyer, correct? Do you think you could hypothetically make such a case in court? Do you think you could win? (I am not saying your wrong, I am just curious)

[Ron_Low]

>> I contend that infant male circumcision is NOW illegal here in the US simply because it constitutes assault, forcible restraint, and brutal mayhem all without a diagnosis of defect or pathology and without first trying less-invasive and less-harmful remedies for whatever it is meant to treat.

-Ron <<

Originally Posted by perspective

You are the guy who is the lawyer, correct?

Not so.

[trmpetplaya]

Article from Australia:

http://www.watoday.com.au/national/c...0603-buo6.html

They're talking about it which is progress!

[benj]

Originally Posted by trmpetplaya

Article from Australia:

http://www.watoday.com.au/national/c...0603-buo6.html

They're talking about it which is progress!

circumcision used to be mainstream in australia not too long ago, just like the US. strange that they made such a fast transition and we have not...

[Nandi]

Australia has government funded health care. There is no financial incentive for doctors to continue it, the way there is here. It becomes an expense to them (the government), rather than a profit(to the individual doctor).

[perspective]

Originally Posted by Nandi

Australia has government funded health care. There is no financial incentive for doctors to continue it, the way there is here. It becomes an expense to them (the government), rather than a profit(to the individual doctor).

God, if we could only do that here. Maybe once we get universal healthcare we will, and circumcision will just become lost profit, and doctors will no longer push it as much.