Vaccine death??

[Marnica]

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index...s?id=161485703

Her parents insisted yesterday that the child's death was caused by the vaccine, although the autopsy stated that she was smothered.
Natalie James said: "I know what happened to my baby. I woke up several times to take care of the baby because she was crying. They trying to cover it up."

Paediatrician Dr Beni Balkaran said the baby's death may not have been caused by the vaccine. Balkaran said: "Bleeding through the mouth and nose is not an adverse effect of the vaccine. The only way a baby would die from a vaccine would be if he suffers an allergic reaction and even that would not cause bleeding."

(bolding mine)

This is exactly what happens when parents are accused of Shaken Baby Syndrom. But nope...wasn't vaccine related

[emma1325]

So sad.



I hope they find some good legal help.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by Marnica

This is exactly what happens when parents are accused of Shaken Baby Syndrom. But nope...wasn't vaccine related

He who gets to write down cause of death holds all the power.

I'm surprised they didn't say it was the hantavirus and use it as an opportunity to pass some laws. I imagine there will be some kind of follow-up claiming co-sleeping parents are ticking time bombs waiting to smother their children.

Reminds me of stories of the "Spanish Flu" when perfectly healthy, young soldiers would get shots and within hours become ill and start bleeding from the nose, mouth and ears.

[BoringTales]

So you think its impossible that someone could try and blame something else after harming their child??

Where is the proof in either of the claims?

[Devaskyla]

Where is the proof in either of the claims?

Well I've never heard of smothering causing bleeding, so it seems extremely unlikely the baby was smothered. Not to mention that would be a huge coincidence. Normally, when someone dies within hours of a drug, the drug is at least suspected. Unless it's a vaccine, then it couldn't possibly be the cause & isn't even considered.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by BoringTales

So you think its impossible that someone could try and blame something else after harming their child??

Where is the proof in either of the claims?

I suggest you do some research of SBS. Alan Yurko ring any bells??

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by BoringTales

So you think its impossible that someone could try and blame something else after harming their child??

Where is the proof in either of the claims?

The same place all the other proof for vaccine damage is. Right before our very eyes. It's all over the place. We just have to choose to look and see.

Take same time to look into Yurko like Marnica says and then take it from there.

Vaccines, such as pertussis, have been use to create hemorrhagic responses in lab rats. Al-Bayati has gotten dozens of accused parents out of certain prison sentences after their children died hours after vaccination and the parents were blamed for killing them.

Check out infantile scurvy and Barlow‘s disease. Infections (or an attack of foreign substances such as vaccination) can deplete vitamin C very quickly. A lot of researchers tied to the pharmaceutical industry ignore this, but others not as influenced see a link.

Here is one article:

http://www.thenhf.com/vaccinations_45.htm

From Dr. Clemetson in Medical Hypotheses:

The findings of subdural hematoma and retinal hemorrhages in infants, without any documented history of major trauma, do not always indicate child abuse. A combination of ascorbate depletion and the injection of foreign proteins can cause a very high blood histamine level, leading to capillary fragility and venular bleeding. This can be prevented by the administration of vitamin C.

[JoJo4780]

There are many SBS cases that are caused by vaccines and parents are being blamed (Dr. Andrew Moulden talks about this; he has defended parents in court). I get angrier and angrier every day because I read more stories of babies dying right after vaccines, or having injuries, and NO ONE will listen! What is wrong with these doctors and med. "professionals"? Why are they so arrogant that they believe they know everything and the rest of us are stupid?

[MountainMamaGC]

Vaccine induced scurvy. Its real, Watch Vaccine Nation on google video. It has the Alan Yurko story.

[nycmom18]

what i dont understand is why the doctor gave the vaccine when the baby was obviously not healthy to begin with???

i thought even pro-vaccine docs know not to administer vaccines if the child is sick at the time??

[fruitfulmomma]

Well I've never heard of smothering causing bleeding, so it seems extremely unlikely the baby was smothered.

This. The baby was bleeding out the mouth and nose, but she suffocated?

[carriebft]

Does anyone have evidence on the claim of the nose and mouth bleeding...I read that a lot that 'suffocation doesn't cause nose and mouth bleeds' but I have not seen any evidence either way.

google scholar turns up a bunch of papers on how bleeding from nose/mouth is common in infant suffocation deaths.

[KimberlyD0]

I have seen many reports of bleeding like that mentioned in the article after infant suffication. Looks pretty suspisious to me.

[Jugs]

Just thinking aloud here...

1. It is suspicious to me that they vaccinated this baby at all; the mom is right that the Trinadian vax schedule does begin at 3 months.

2. The article doesn't say which vaccine the baby was given

which leads me to

3. Any one of the vaccines the baby may have been given can cause gastrointestinal reactions, which can manifest as bleeding from the nose and mouth. SO, even if the vaccine itself "can't" directly cause bleeding from the nose and mouth, a gastrointestinal reaction to the vax CAN.

[KimberlyD0]

It also states in the article that she brought the baby in because the baby was bleeding from mouth and nose. Then she was given the vaccination (doesn't say what one)

While vaccination at this point doesn't make sence and shouldn't have happend, the fact that she already HAD bleeding BEFORE the vaccine suggests that the vaccination was not the cause.

just following logic

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

It also states in the article that she brought the baby in because the baby was bleeding from mouth and nose. Then she was given the vaccination (doesn't say what one)

While vaccination at this point doesn't make sence and shouldn't have happend, the fact that she already HAD bleeding BEFORE the vaccine suggests that the vaccination was not the cause.

just following logic

That is not the case. The bleeding occurred after. If the baby had been bleeding from the mouth and nose, do you think they would have gone ahead with the vaccination? Do you think they would have let the baby go home? The fever developed soon after and then in the early morning the bleeding began. That's when the mother started running through the streets looking for help.

The smothering is the part that makes no sense. If the mom was hypervigilant and waking up repeatedly to check on her sick child, there is no way she would have had a deep enough sleep to smother the baby.

[KimberlyD0]

double posted sorry

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

That is not the case. The bleeding occurred after. If the baby had been bleeding from the mouth and nose, do you think they would have gone ahead with the vaccination? Do you think they would have let the baby go home? The fever developed soon after and then in the early morning the bleeding began. That's when the mother started running through the streets looking for help.

The smothering is the part that makes no sense. If the mom was hypervigilant and waking up repeatedly to check on her sick child, there is no way she would have had a deep enough sleep to smother the baby.

It says right in the article that she woke at about 2am with the baby bleeding from mouth and nose. She brought the baby for a check up at a health clinic, where for some reason they did a vaccination, then she got the fever after the vaccination.

Its not word for word, but its right there.


She claimes to have been up constantly to check on her, but that doesn't mean she was.

This does look like a smoothering case. Bleeding nose and mouth is a sign of suffication is young babies, expecially if she was accidently crushed as they think she was (not saying she was, but thats what they suspect)

It doesn't sound like they're trying to pin it on her, or blamb her, specially when they've labled it at accidental suffication.

This case just doesn't look like a vaccine death. The vaccination shouldn't have been given when the baby was sick and bleeding and the baby shouldn't have been sent home, but that doesn't mean its because of the vaccine.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

This case just doesn't look like a vaccine death.

I am curious as to what a vaccine death would look like in your opinion.

[Devaskyla]

Kimberly it's worded poorly, but they definitelt gave the baby the shot *before* the bleeding. She took her baby to the clinic, it was vaccinated. She went home. baby was crying & feverish, she gave baby medication she was told to give, she woke to find baby bleeding from mouth & nose, she ran to get help

By the time she arrived at the Chaguanas Health Centre, the baby was already dead, James said.