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PLEASE help me properly water my veggies!!

post #1 of 23
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ok so i would not have thought water was such a science, but im having some issues with my broccoli and cauliflower that most likely is water related? maybe?

i have some bigger plants that my mom bought me, not from seed. the 2 larges plants already have a small veggie growing and are doing well - not being eaten by they little green worms, seemingly not effected by my watering.

i have been watering the whole garden on warm days once in the morning around 9-10 and then once at night 5-6. one less dry days i usually water once or not at all if we get a good rain. then i read somewhere that tomatoes dont like that much water?? my tomatoes are looking AWESOME, all planted from seed. nice and green, thick stems, about a foot tall and not even in need of stakes yet!

the other broc and cauli plants i have, the cauli was a 6 pack of plants that were smaller than the first 2, but still well established when i planted them. i planted 3 in the garden and 2 are really wilting...like badly, the outer leaves just sag way down. these have been chewed a tiny bit by the green worms but it stopped when i sprayed with an organic veggie pest spray i got at the garden center several weeks ago. when they first started wiling a week or so ago my mom said i wasnt watering deeply enough so we got a sprinkler and have been turning it on in the evening for like 20 mins, everything is soaked when we turn it off some night they seem to perk up others not. the other broc plants i planted from seed and got some good chewing from the worms a few weeks back before i got the spray, but they seemed like they would recover now that im keeping them sprayed. i pinched off the dead, wilted leaves on the bottoms and the top leaves looked really healthy. now it almost seems like they are weakening from the stem where they are planted in the ground, not good in my estimation. im saddest about these cuz they were my babies

i have lots of other things planted, several varieties of squash, cukes, chard, lettuce, peppers, onions, eggplant all others look like they are very very happy and healthy and all planted from seed and transplanted outside a couple weeks ago.

am i over watering, under watering, something else?? HELP ME before i kill them all!!!
post #2 of 23
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i have been watering the whole garden on warm days once in the morning around 9-10 and then once at night 5-6.
watering in the morning is pointless, it is just going to evaporate before it soaks in. Even at 5-6 at night it's probably too warm to be watering. We usually water at 8-9 at night, but if I ever got a timer we'd water in the middle of the night.

We water every 3-4 days for 30-60minutes depending on how hot it is. If it's hotter out we may water more often.

My parents NEVER water their garden & it grows great. They live on a farm & there is no system set up to water the garden, hoses are too short to make it across the yard to the garden from the house.
post #3 of 23
we live in hot hot hot.. and i water everything really deep twice a week..
post #4 of 23
That's a lot of watering. Some plants do better if they dry out between waterings. I water when it's been dry and the soil is dry, not just on top but down a couple of inches.
post #5 of 23
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my mom had me convinced that i wasnt watering deeply enough when i was just giving them a spray once a day...
post #6 of 23
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ok so we are going away this weekend, if i water fri morning, you all really think im ok til sunday afternoon when we get home??? i was going to ask a neighbor....im so nervous they are going to all die and my dh is going to say "i told you so"

im such a newbie at this.
post #7 of 23
Yep, just give it a good soaking and you'll be fine.
post #8 of 23
i agree...really soak them well and you'll be fine. it develops stronger roots if they are deeply watered every so many days rather than quick watering everyday...
post #9 of 23
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so if i put the sprinkler on for like 30 mins, is that good? or more? also i have a seperate garden for my winter squash and the little chutes are just popping up (planted seeds a little over a week ago)....do i treat them differently?
post #10 of 23
Depends on the sprinkler, but I give mine 2 hours for a good soaking. Squash too.
post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 
oh wow....ok

i will have to do that b4 dh gets home :

thanks you guys, if anyone else has any pointers please keep them coming. i also have fruit out front, blueberries, strawberries, raspberries (well they are still sticks sticking out of the ground) and soon to transplant watermelons and cantaloupe seedlings to the ground too. im sure im doing something wrong there too
post #12 of 23
How hot is it where you live?
I'm in MA. It's mid 70s here now.
I grow tomatoes (3), peppers(3) and basil(3). I do a quick water hopefully after dinner, but if I don't have time I do it first thing in the AM.

And 2hrs a day of watering? Really? Again, where do you all live?
I have never in 6 years of garderning watered more than a few minutes per plant, if that, even when it's 90 degrees.
post #13 of 23
30 minutes should be fine, but if you can do it very early in the morning(before the sun comes up) or later Friday night otherwise it'll evaporate.

I've only watered for more than an hour by accident(forgetting it was on),lol
post #14 of 23
Another thought for you... how sunny/hot has it been lately? Some plants really dislike being watered from the top, and if you're watering after the sun is up and really shining down, water on the leaves can act as magnifying glasses and contribute to burning - which plants don't tend to like. I'm always careful to avoid getting the plants leaves wet if I'm watering while the sun is still up.

ALso - what type of soil do you have in your beds? How much amending have you done to it? I know here if I were to plant in the ground, we have clay so it would need a lot of amending in order to successfully grow anything. The plants would either be sitting in water or they'd be completely drying out - there's not much of a middle ground with clay. If your soil is well amended, then I'd work on getting familiar with the watering test - that if you gently spray an area (not creating a pool of water, just wetting it down), how long does it take to go from shiny to absorbed? The longer it takes, the more saturated the soil already is. So if you're watering and it absorbs instantly, then it was probably pretty dry... but if it sits there for 20 seconds as it slowly absorbs, then it may not have really needed watering. Of course this test is totally void in clay soil. You can also stick your finger in the soil next to the roots of a plant. Does your finger come out with wet dirt particles clinging to it, or does it come out dusty?

If your soil is in good shape though... I grow in pots (which dry out quicker than in the ground) and I water my tomatoes once a week. Lettuce, strawberries and herbs get about twice a week right now - as the weather warms up more, I'll go to every other day, and during the height of summer (high 80s and up, although it rarely hits high 90s), I'll water every evening (after the sun has dropped below the horizon). The tomatoes really won't go past maybe twice a week though - they like dry conditions.
post #15 of 23
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its been mid 70s to mid 80s here on good days almost for the past month....some lower 60 days. i am sure i wont be up before the sun since its 11 and dd is still going strong but i will turn on the sprinkler as soon as i get up, they stay slightley shaded til around 10-1030 anyway, so its not like the water really gets hot enough to burn the leaves until later in the morning. we are leaving for the weekend at noon so that rules out the evening watering. i dont think i have been watering from the top when the sun was shining high enough to hurt the leaves, they randomly wilt even on overcast/cloudy days. i hope i havent totally killed the broc and cauli

i didnt water tonight in anticipation for the big watering tomorrow morning. dh really wanted to water....i think we are addicted!

the beds are raised, surrounded by cement blocks and filled in with fresh compost from a local farm, its AWESOME soil. the soil underneath was quite acidic so when i turned it up i put several layers of lime and worked it in, assuming that the roots would eventually get through the compost. so i really doubt that its a problem with that, the compost seems to hold the moisture well. after all day it appears dry on top but is still moist if you dig down a little. i would think that it would take several days of no water for this stuff to dry out....and even then im sure several iches down it would still have retained a bit of moisture.

yah so you all have convinced me that im totally overwatering. i think my parents have bee growing in really old soil for a long time that dries really quickly which is why they keep telling me to water water water.

i do have about a half dzen tomato plants in containers too since i ran out of garden space, so its good to know they will be ok for the weekend as well.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Golden View Post
How hot is it where you live?
I'm in MA. It's mid 70s here now.
I grow tomatoes (3), peppers(3) and basil(3). I do a quick water hopefully after dinner, but if I don't have time I do it first thing in the AM.

And 2hrs a day of watering? Really? Again, where do you all live?
I have never in 6 years of garderning watered more than a few minutes per plant, if that, even when it's 90 degrees.
yes i live in MA too...in the merrimac valley area. i was thinking i would do 45 mins since my soil is probably pretty damp anyway. i will put it in the center of the back yard so it gets the lawn where we are attempting to grow grass for half of the spray and the garden with the other half.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Golden View Post
How hot is it where you live?


And 2hrs a day of watering? Really? Again, where do you all live?
I have never in 6 years of garderning watered more than a few minutes per plant, if that, even when it's 90 degrees.
not 2hrs a day...2hrs at a time. if you are watering once or twice a week, that is a good soak for them. plus you end up using less water that way..
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by catballou24 View Post
not 2hrs a day...2hrs at a time. if you are watering once or twice a week, that is a good soak for them. plus you end up using less water that way..
: 2 hours for a good thorough soaking. Not 2 hours a day!!! And again, it depends on the sprinkler you're using. Ours is one of those oscillating ones, and in order to cover all the area it needs at least 2 hours, because it only spends a fraction of the time actually putting water on any given space. If you have a sprinkler that sprays continuously over an area it might not take as long.

I think it's better for the plants to get a good deep soaking once or twice a week than to be surface watered every day or more. If you think about it, nature doesn't water every day a little bit, it waters in larger amounts every few days or so (at least where I live it does) Plus watering a little bit and not soaking the earth down deep means the water just evaporates anyway, then you have to water again sooner, and the water is never getting down to the deeper roots.
post #19 of 23
It rained really good here a couple days ago, and I haven't waterd much since (I did hit my beans and stuff thats just sprouting lightly last night, but nothing else). For the previous two weeks when it was HOT and DRY I waterd every evening, giving everything a decent amount but not a ton - I actually waterd my broccoli the most heavy, as it kept getting wilty from lack of water.

As others have pointed out, unless your watering REALLY early (like 5-7am), its pretty pointless on hot dry days... its all just going to evaporate out long before any of the plants get a chance to soak it up.

ETA: Oh and I use a watering can - we have a shallow well and not nearly enough water to keep a sprinkler going for more than like 5-10 minutes, tops.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by mamadelbosque View Post

ETA: Oh and I use a watering can - we have a shallow well and not nearly enough water to keep a sprinkler going for more than like 5-10 minutes, tops.
I don't have a sprinkler and use a hose in the back and water can in the front. How long should I water with the hose? I usually put 3-4 large watering cans in the 30 sqft garden in the front. Is that enough to water deeply?
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