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post #1 of 13
6/5/09 at 8:12am
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This week at the dr they saw the lo was breech & jumped the c-section idea immediately.

Since then I've been working hard to try & get him to turn. Of course he's a stubborn bugger & just about gets there then slides back.

This a.m. he was head down, I could tell because of the strong hiccuping down by my butt.

2 minutes after that I feel him turn all the way around...and hiccup up by my fundus. Really??...is picking a spot to stay at around 37 weeks too much to ask little guy, at least for the u/s next week??

Now he's back to lying with his head under my right rib...bleh. So much for 'running out of room to move that much' as my ob was trying to tell me when I said he had more time to turn.
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post #2 of 13
6/5/09 at 8:53am
That's so frustrating that he likes to turn on you! Of course, there's always the Webster recommendation, but it sounds like he's just going to do as he pleases!

I have no idea why or where I read/heard this, but when I think breech, I immediately think of straddling on some speakers with thumping base, since maybe the baby will turn toward that, or shining a flashlight up my hooha to get the baby to "go toward the light" or something. Maybe those would work...
post #3 of 13
6/5/09 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by pearl2 View Post
That's so frustrating that he likes to turn on you! Of course, there's always the Webster recommendation, but it sounds like he's just going to do as he pleases!

I have no idea why or where I read/heard this, but when I think breech, I immediately think of straddling on some speakers with thumping base, since maybe the baby will turn toward that, or shining a flashlight up my hooha to get the baby to "go toward the light" or something. Maybe those would work...
Lol well I haven't shined one up there yet, I did try it on my lower belly though

Hmm I do have a lot of cleaning to do today, now if I can find a speaker to straddle...
post #4 of 13
6/5/09 at 9:02am
Well, it IS Friday night tonight, so you could always hit up the local Dairy Queen or wherever the teens hang out with their cruisin' loud music... at least you'd get an ice cream cone out of it.
post #5 of 13
6/5/09 at 11:44am
Those are actually both really good ideas for turnign a breech baby-only you can try putting headphones on your lower belly instead of straddling a speaker, lol! I've also heard of putting an ice pack (bag of frozen veggies) on the top of your belly and a warm pack on the bottom-baby doesn't like the cold on his head so will turn away from it. Spinningbabies.com has great info about postioning if you haven't already been there.

And yeah, they still have a lot of room to turn. My friend had twins at 39 weeks, each were 7 lbs, and baby B was still managing to flip from vertex to breech right up until she went into labor!
post #6 of 13
6/5/09 at 12:50pm
It kind of stinks that your OB is talking C-section already! You definately have time for your him to turn! Good luck- all the suggestions to try and get him to turn seem like great ideas!
post #7 of 13
6/5/09 at 1:53pm
You can also try to find someone who will deliver a breech vaginally. I can personally attest that it can be done, safely and even easily!

I have to say, of all the billion things I have heard or tried about turning a breech baby, the most effective seems to be accupuncture. There have been controlled medical trials that show it is effective somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% of the time -- which is far more effective than any other method, including external version.
post #8 of 13
6/5/09 at 2:38pm
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You can also try to find someone who will deliver a breech vaginally. I can personally attest that it can be done, safely and even easily!

I have to say, of all the billion things I have heard or tried about turning a breech baby, the most effective seems to be accupuncture. There have been controlled medical trials that show it is effective somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% of the time -- which is far more effective than any other method, including external version.
Yeah I think I'm going to try the acupuncture. I'll have to see what the cost is since I'm sure my lovely insurance won't cover it of course.

Amazing how frustrating this is, I have no idea if my other pgs were breech up to this point or not since no one ever checked. I told the little guy he can't start out life being as stubborn as dad, it's just too early for that!
post #9 of 13
6/5/09 at 2:57pm
I've also heard really good things about both Webster and Pulsatilla working to turn breech babies.
post #10 of 13
6/5/09 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by TrishWSU View Post
Those are actually both really good ideas for turnign a breech baby-only you can try putting headphones on your lower belly instead of straddling a speaker, lol! I've also heard of putting an ice pack (bag of frozen veggies) on the top of your belly and a warm pack on the bottom-baby doesn't like the cold on his head so will turn away from it. Spinningbabies.com has great info about postioning if you haven't already been there.

And yeah, they still have a lot of room to turn. My friend had twins at 39 weeks, each were 7 lbs, and baby B was still managing to flip from vertex to breech right up until she went into labor!
Another recommendation for spinningbabies.com here. My Bun turned head down around 37 weeks and has so far stayed that way since. At least, s/he has been head down at every check since. I feel this baby turning most nights still. It's just a flippy, bouncy baby with lots of room to move.

But remember that babies can turn ~ especially flippy babies like it sounds like yours is ~ as late as during labor.

There are SO many things that can be done to turn a baby, it seems odd that they would jump straight to c-section. Moxibustion and pulsatilla were both helpful for me. Have someone talk to baby low on your stomach, shine a flashlight very low, play music through headphones {any kind of music; doesn't have to be heavy bass} very low, do some tilting and stretching. Even ECV is a possibility, up to and during labor if the amniotic sac is still intact. These don't work for every baby, but they're all worth a good try and most have a pretty decent success rate. Contact and acupuncturist and chiropractor to try moxibustion and Webster.
post #11 of 13
6/5/09 at 3:17pm
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Yeah I think I'm going to try the acupuncture. I'll have to see what the cost is since I'm sure my lovely insurance won't cover it of course.

Amazing how frustrating this is, I have no idea if my other pgs were breech up to this point or not since no one ever checked. I told the little guy he can't start out life being as stubborn as dad, it's just too early for that!
Check the CAN website { http://www.communityacupuncturenetwork.org/ } to see if you have one near you. I paid $29 for my visit with the acupuncturist. That included the paperwork fee, four moxa sticks and her teaching Dh and I how to do the moxibustion at home. Generally this will run around $100 or so, depending on the acu. It can't hurt to see if you have a CAN member near you. The chiropractor I contacted quoted me around $150 for Webster, which would have included consult, paperwork, exam and procedure. Pulsatilla cost $9 for three treatments, but I didn't have to pay to see a naturopath because the student mw at my group is one and called the place to order it for me. It doesn't have to be expensive and I hope you can find some options in your area!

It IS frustrating, very frustrating, but most of that frustration comes from external pressure. From other people telling you to get the baby turned, putting stress on you and pressuring you with thoughts of major abdominal surgery.

I think the most helpful thing I did was to let go of that stress and pressure. Once I let it go and came to a place of acceptance, deciding that baby would do what baby needed to do when baby needed to do it and whatever that was would be fine with me, that was when baby turned and stayed. Ever since I came to that place of peace baby has been head down at every check. I can still feel some flipping, but I don't think there have been many full rotations at this point. As of this morning Bun is in fully optimal birthing position. I think my own stressing out over position may have been freaking baby out and keeping him or her from settling in to a good position. Once I calmed down and tuned everyone else out things seemed to fall in to place.
post #12 of 13
6/7/09 at 1:52am
Karla, feel blessed that your baby is somewhat flippy!

I'm currently 37 weeks and our dainty little girl is about 10lbs. in size. Plus, she's been either transverse or breech for about 3 weeks. She is NOT moving. I've tried lots of things - hot/cold, light, my chiro, etc. Nothing has budged her. Since I'm on the small side, I'm guessing she truly can't move.
I chose to have a scheduled c-section to get her out. I feel blessed that my OB has allowed me to make that decision on my own and I didn't feel pressured.

I hope you'll be able to keep your little one head-down and not have to resort to surgery!
post #13 of 13
6/7/09 at 4:43am
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Yeah I think I'm going to try the acupuncture. I'll have to see what the cost is since I'm sure my lovely insurance won't cover it of course.
Trust me, paying out of pocket for it is still cheaper - in health and monetary value - than a c-sec...