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post #121 of 269
ahhh see i see it more that they have similar over all messages with conflicting details.. and i sort of think the conflicting details are just people mucking things up. to me i think Jesus meant he could show us the way..as in follow in his foot steps, follow his example.. and a truth that is much larger then the truths some people seem to think he was leading them too. i don't think he meant to follow him as in deify. jesus never said he was the son of god.. and god as the father isn't really exclusive to him. i sort of think he is wherever we go when we die and he is extremely irritated that people took him so literally.

it seems to me like details are the things we get caught up in that take us much further from god. we hang onto one liners, specific tidbits that suit our interests, i think god is bigger than that, more then that, etc. i think he has shown a bit of the divine in everything in the universe but we get to caught up in the details to put together the big picture.

i think most religions have the same basic messages. take care of the young, the old, the sick, the dying, the poor, the hungry etc. love everyone b/c god loves everyone even if he doesnt love everything they do, take care of the earth etc. i also think most religions were at some point very pro woman until some guy with ego and influence decided he didn't like that. we are the ones who carry and birth and feed children... its probably the coolest thing one can do while living and women are entrusted with that particular job. thats no accident and it certainly wasnt a punishment of any kind.
post #122 of 269
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Especially with this passage included in the creation narrative, it points to a true, literal story.
Or it's proof that man wrote it after the rivers had been named.
post #123 of 269
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i think most religions have the same basic messages. take care of the young, the old, the sick, the dying, the poor, the hungry etc.
Not every religion, however, would agree that things apart from the similarities are mere details. Relegating differences to error in some faiths will require saying "core, non-negotiable elements of my religion are wrong."
post #124 of 269
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see i see it more that they have similar over all messages with conflicting details
The central truths of the Bible are not small details.

"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12

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jesus never said he was the son of god
"Again the high priest asked him, 'Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?' 'I am' said Jesus."

"The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.'"
post #125 of 269
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most religions have the same basic messages
Message of Christianity:

1- God creates man perfect in his image
2- Man sins against God and perfection is lost
3- Man can no longer be in the presence of a holy and just God in his sinful state
4- Jesus is sent to die as a sacrifice for man's sin
5- Jesus is resurrected and conquers death so that man no longer must die, but upon accepting that sacrifice as atonement for his/her sin can spend eternity with Christ

I don't see this message in any other religion.
post #126 of 269
what would you consider central truths? (actual question not a snarky one)

and how do we know that jesus meant biological son of god and not religious as in i am a child of god type thing?
post #127 of 269
crap can we start a new thread we have taken this one way off topic


and i actually believe all five of them are seen in other religions.. not jesus obviously.. but son of a diety, virgin birth, sacrifice and resurrection etc.
post #128 of 269
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Not every religion, however, would agree that things apart from the similarities are mere details. Relegating differences to error in some faiths will require saying "core, non-negotiable elements of my religion are wrong."
that is problematic. but i think some of the details that are conflicting could still both be true... i mean it may not make sense to us right now but maybe it makes sense to god he's smarter then me
post #129 of 269
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crap can we start a new thread we have taken this one way off topic
I think this thread covered a lot of that, if you wanted to bump it up.
post #130 of 269
i'll spend the next 3 days reading it. i wanted to read it when i saw it a few days ago!

what do non christians thinks of the creationism thing? since there are other religions besides christianity i am sure they have different thoughts on this issue right?
post #131 of 269
Oh yeah, this was supposed to be about dinosaurs wasn't it??? :

Should I help us do a quick about face?

What about Job 40:15-41:11? Anyone else think that's referring to dinosaurs?

Here's a link if you don't have access to a Bible

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:11&version=31
post #132 of 269
thanks for the link. my bible is in the other room... its hot pink!

the footnotes seem to think it is a hippo or an elephant. i dont see why it couldn't be dinos though. its not like he was real specific.. and depending on who wrote it he may have been more likely to come across dino bones then elephants and hippos.

am i the only one who thinks it would have been cool to live with dinos (for a day or so)
post #133 of 269
I've heard the elephant and hippo thing too, but it just doesn't seem to totally line up with the description. yk? I don't know too many elephants with tails like a cedar though!

And just to put Job in context, it is considered to have taken place during the years that Genesis records. If you get a good Bible reading plan that has you read through the Bible chronologically, you read it while you are reading Genesis, or just after. So, if dinos roamed while humans were alive, it would make sense that an early human would be able to speak of it.
post #134 of 269
why wouldn't they just put the stories in in the correct order? were they trying to confuse people?

one of the things that i wonder about is how people were supposed to have written these things down before they had paper... which i am assuming they didn't at the beginning of time. or at least any paper that would last any specific time... the first people took awhile to develop written language so this must have been oral stories passed down right? like as part of a cultures traditions or something.
post #135 of 269
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Where do they fit in? :

And the Ice Age?
Personally i see no reason why all that doesn't fit in with the bible and God. I don't see why God and science can't be one and the same. Can't it be God method that we are seeing and interpreting as science? As for the dinosaurs why can't they fit in. God said he created the creatures one day. then he created man another day. Gods time is not like our time. a day to him could a million years to us. and whos to say that God didn't let them live for a while and change his mind and let them die before he created man? God created all. who are we to question how or why? who are we to say they do not fit in with Gods plan?
post #136 of 269
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why wouldn't they just put the stories in in the correct order? were they trying to confuse people?
LOL! No. It's chronologically incorrect because the books of the Hebrew Bible aren't arranged chronologically; they're arranged thematically. I think the order is Torah - Prophets - Writings? And in the Christian Bible the arrangement is different - Pentateuch, historical, poetic and prophetic books in that order. Job is considered poetic. But yes, it is confusing.
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one of the things that i wonder about is how people were supposed to have written these things down before they had paper... which i am assuming they didn't at the beginning of time. or at least any paper that would last any specific time... the first people took awhile to develop written language so this must have been oral stories passed down right? like as part of a cultures traditions or something.
I'm not sure when paper and parchment developed. Moses wrote the first five books, and given that he lived a long time after Adam and Eve he must have either collated the information from oral (and possibly literary?) sources or received it directly from God. There's no particular spiritual reason he couldn't have done his research like any other historian; Luke in the NT described interviewing people and corroborating facts for his gospel. Pre-literary cultures usually tend to have very strong histories of oral transmission.
post #137 of 269
i know before writing people had strong oral traditions so that would make the most sense to me. they were very careful about passing down stories b/c it was a part of their history and the only record they had.
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post #139 of 269
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i know before writing people had strong oral traditions so that would make the most sense to me. they were very careful about passing down stories b/c it was a part of their history and the only record they had.
And those oral traditions and legends developed in the same world we live in. A world where sometimes you see the skeleton of a huge-ass animal with scary teeth sticking out of the side of a cliff. Of course ancient peoples had legends of dinosaurs/dragons/behemoth, they saw the same bones we do.
post #140 of 269
That's... not really how fossils work. How often do we see skeletons of dinosaurs just chillin' half out the side of a cliff face, intact enough to be recognisable? We don't. Even in a YEC model such bones wouldn't last very long. Most dinosaur fossils we discover are underground and VERY fragmented - a piece of rib here, a possibly-corresponding jaw fragment ten metres away. They don't just sit there in plain sight looking dragonoid.

Plus, I'm pretty sure dinosaur bones weren't known about in, say, the medieval period. Weren't they such a sensational discovery in the 1900s precisely because we hadn't found them before?
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