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post #21 of 153
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post
The perverts will still be perverts if the boy had had clothes on. It's up to the parents and the toddler to decide if he wears clothes and no one else. I say no big deal.
Me too. This is the United States of Shame- as PPs have alluded. This puritanical American culture is the problem, not nudity. There are perverts all over the world, but for reason of shame only a few countries in it have a collective fear of nudity in public. I am not advocating secession from every cultural consensus. But personally, I will rebel against this particular stigma (and many others, but that's me) , for the common good and self-respect of the world as a whole and my family as individuals.
post #22 of 153
we try to avoid NIP (nekkid in public) mostly because of the sun

and an excess of sand in the butt
post #23 of 153
I would be ok with brief nudity - like changing clothes, swimming when you forgot a bathing suit - but it seems like they were going for a walk of some length with him naked? That just seems extra weird to me.

I remember when I was a kid ... must have been 4 or 5 ... we were at a state park here with a lake and a beach and we were playing in the sand and this little girl came and played in the sand completely naked. We thought it was weird... first of all because our parents didn't let us run around naked (I got spanked once for riding down the street naked on my big wheel) ... but then she stood up and she was all filled up with sand everywhere... I don't think I'd do naked at the beach just for personal physical comfort... who wants sand in their butt? Of course I know some sand will get in anyway but...

eta - vegemato and I posted at exactly the same time, LOL
post #24 of 153
Personally, I'm not comfortable with my child being naked in public, but I have no problem with other people's toddlers or young preschoolers who are.

But I wanted to comment on something else in the original post. You seem to be very annoyed that members of the general public watched the wedding. You commented that they were "gawking at the ceremony like people rubber necking in traffic looking at an accident".

This is part of having a ceremony in a public place. My husband and I got married at a public beach (at the base of a lighthouse). We had a very small ceremony with only our immediate families there. Including us, our priest, and our photograoher, there were about 20 people there. And LOTS of tourists who stopped to watch the ceremony. Everyone was very polite and stood a respectful distance away; but they were definately close enough to be in earshot and to take pictures. We did not think about this beforehand and we did not expect it to happen, but we considered it to be a delightful surprise. We love that you can see all the tourists in the pictures in our wedding album. And we still laugh that complete strangers have pictures of our wedding in their vacation albums.
post #25 of 153
Given the world we live in I think it's a bad idea, but not because there's anything inherently wrong with being naked.

I agree with the PP that getting married in a public spot is an invitation to others to respectfully watch the ceremony. I think having extra people around to witness is charming.
post #26 of 153
Another vote for no big deal. Perverts are horrible, but if you are supervising your child carefully, your DS or DD should not come to harm. To me there is a certain beauty to a child's lack of shame at their nudity. I wouldn't rob my kid of that just because there might be a pervert lurking somewhere. Though I agree it was kinda tacky to let him linger right behind the bride and groom.
post #27 of 153
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Originally Posted by jeminijad View Post
I respectfully disagree that they are "very rare." Every time I hear the stats on the frequency of little girls being sexually abused, I'm blown away by how often it happens.
Its usually not strangers at a beach who do the molesting though, or strangers anywhere. Its people the child knows. So I would be more worried about uncle jimmy giving her a bath than for her to be naked at a public beach, especially a toddler.

Jemi - have you read the Gift of Fear, by GAvin Debecker? It might help you sort through what need to be worried about and what doesn't.
post #28 of 153
What bothers me on these threads is the fact that most posters think because someone doesn't approve of nudity in public, means they are afraid of perverts or they are teaching their children to be ashamed of their bodies. What happened to modesty? I have never been inclined to be naked in public or let my children run around without clothes on when there are others around. What we do in our house is different, because of the privacy factor. I also think a bathing suit does protect them from sun, sand, rocks, bugs that might irritate their privates, the same way I might put a sun hat on a fair child. I also agree that private parts are private, not to be displayed in public, despite the age. However, if I did see a very young child frolicking naked, I would probably smile because they are so darn cute!
post #29 of 153
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Originally Posted by RunnerDuck View Post
(I got spanked once for riding down the street naked on my big wheel)
post #30 of 153
DD loves to run around naked at home after a bath, but she wants clothes on in public, and that's fine by me.

I wouldn't have a problem with naked toddler on a beach, but I think it was pretty disrespectful of the adults to hang around gawking at the ceremony, naked toddler or not. I'd certainly be mindful of kleeping out of the viewfinder of any cameras at the wedding (professional or otherwise) if I weren't an invited guest. Maybe that's just my perspective, though.
post #31 of 153
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Originally Posted by ckmannel View Post
Another vote for no big deal. Perverts are horrible, but if you are supervising your child carefully, your DS or DD should not come to harm. To me there is a certain beauty to a child's lack of shame at their nudity.


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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
Its usually not strangers at a beach who do the molesting though, or strangers anywhere. Its people the child knows. So I would be more worried about uncle jimmy giving her a bath than for her to be naked at a public beach, especially a toddler.
ITA. They were at the beach after all and I think the beach is an acceptable place to be naked. I used to work with sex offenders and have worked with an overwhelming number of victims. So I think I have a unique insight into this. While I do worry about my dd's safety (we take appropriate precautions) and I am creeped out by the thought of some sex offender taking pictures of my lo and then "using" those pictures later. Just because she has clothes on isn't going to stop that from happening. People ask to take pictures of her all the time some people have good intentions some may not but I really have no control over who takes a picture and who does not. I have seen people take pictures of her and they did not ask. But since she is usually bundled in a snowsuit and flying by on skis I'm not too concerned

Yes, I would and have let dd run around naked at a beach. But she is never out of arms reach for safety reasons. I don't want to negatively influence her sense of self and comfort with her body. The time will come when she will decide on her own that she wishes to be covered up all the time. Until that time I want her to learn that the her body is not something to be ashamed of.
post #32 of 153
No, I can just hear my 3 year old complaining endlessly about sand in his bum. Seriously! The younger one is vampire white, so he is covered up at the beach, there is no way he'd be naked outside, ever. Other than the quick change, I'd say pretty much no for my guys. I just think it's more trouble than not for us.

I don't have problems with it for other people though.
post #33 of 153
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Originally Posted by puddleduck View Post
If there is water than my boys will be naked, they are nearly 5 and 2.
That's the way my little kids were as well. I probably would not have let them strip down at a wedding, though.
post #34 of 153
I wouldn't let my kids go naked in public, but I do not care what other parents do.
post #35 of 153
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
That's the way my little kids were as well. I probably would not have let them strip down at a wedding, though.
To be fair, it sounds like this kid was not *at* a wedding. The kid was at a public beach where someone happened to have decided to get married that day. There's a different level of reasonable expectation.
post #36 of 153
I just wanted to chime in and say those are going to be some really great wedding pictures!
post #37 of 153
I usually don't let DD get all nakey-butt at a public beach, but a few weeks ago she was with my parents and got her clothes wet in the lake, they also didn't realize that she had a swimsuit in her stuff. Whatever.

I agree the perverts will be perverts clothes on or not.

We went to a wedding this weekend and yesterday(the day after) we went to go help clean up and DD got naked and went wading, but it is a private beach on the lake. We let her be naked in our back yard, not the front the road is too close.
post #38 of 153
The bride and groom chose to get married on a public beach. It sounds lovely, but certainly they didn't expect a private ceremony in a public place. I find nothing at all offensive about a shirtless man playing frisbee with his DD, people on the beach watching the ceremony, or a naked toddler on a walk at a public beach.

I personally rarely allow my nearly 3 year old DD to be naked outside. Our back yard has a swing set on a large mulch pit, which just sounds miserable with a bare bottom. We live in a very conservative area, and so I don't tend to have her running around naked in the public eye.

However, I wouldn't hesitate to have her naked in a kiddie pool, running in sprinklers, etc at a home - even in a front yard. I've also been known to take off her shirt and have her running around topless or even pantless playing in water in public or really just at the park if it's hot and I messed up and dressed her for cooler weather. I tend to keep her diaper on as she has no poop routine and I sure wouldn't want to deal with that

I change her diaper in public view all the time.
post #39 of 153
Naked babies are just fine IMHO. With respect to the wedding, the couple made their choice about where to have it and have to live with that choice. I don't let my child run around naked though, he's not much of a nudist, but I know some nudist children and I don't really see the problem with it.
post #40 of 153
Gee whiz..
My kids wear rash guards and bike short swim bottoms.

Modesty? Nope
But I always wondered how much sunscreen a naked child must have on!
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