Headline reads "It's time we created special schools for MMR dodgers" - Page 3

[ZoeyZoo]

Originally Posted by carriebft

perhaps another example for member runes of the call for segregation?

This is exactly what I was thinking. It made me recall the "seperate but equal" rules that were once in the US.

I hope this does not become a reality. First I want to send my kids to the best schools for them. I would hate that choice to be lessened by my medical decisions for them. Not everyone is able to homeschool.

[runes]

But you wouldn't have the "luxury" of that choice, carrie. I was hoping that you would answer with an awareness of that. Instead, you took a potshot at non vaccinating families, as if their well documented (higher) socioeconomic status and (higher) education status are somehow distasteful.

You wouldn't be able to send your child to the vaxing school if you wanted to. As a selective/delayed vaxer, your choices are the nonvax school, or homeschool.

Originally Posted by carriebft

probably homeschool if such segregation became accepted. There is already enough segregation in the schools around here.

The segregation would not just be 'vax v nonvax' but also socioeconomic-- though not on purpose. But we have numerous studies on the make up of vaccine rejection/vaccine critics and I would not send my kids to a school with such a selective make up. It took us a while to find a school here that was a mixture in body but also safe and academically sound-- I'd probably just give up and co-op with the community if more segregation became law.

I don't find the ejection comments to be too few or far between; I see at least one a week it seems and maybe more.

eta: the reason I said that keep out of school comment was a call for segregation was because the poster insinuated the other people should keep their kids out if they are immune compromised. it was not a post of personal choice but a thought that others should do it, too.

[carriebft]

sorry for so many edits- I am going to assume you mean it this way:

(eta) if by that section you mean I would not have the luxury of choice because of segregation laws, I would answer that that is not true. I could vaccinate my kids to get them into the other schools. I feel that is a choice.

And you are putting words in my mouth. I do not think it is distasteful that those who are more education and of high socioeconomic status tend to second guess these things. I don't have any distaste for that. It's just a fact, not something I feel any way towards. It's like "the sky is blue" it just is....would I love for the these traits to be more spread out? definitely...that's why I think it's important to spread knowledge.

what I said was that a school made solely of a population like this would not be one I would want. I want my kids to be amongst all walks of life. that is a personal choice we have made. I have nothing against caucasian people, but I have no interest in sending my kids to a school comprised solely of white kids.


I don't get how you got these things from my post. And you are completely glossing over the idea that telling immune compromised kids they should probably be homeschooled is segregation, which was the original point of the post you responded to at first.

[carriebft]

and before anyone else jumps on this:

Obviously it's not a 100% guarentee that a school deemed " for non vaccinating or selective families" would be like the studies we have-- it could be very diverse. In the hypothetical we are talking about, I would definitely check that out.

I would also probably wait before utilizing such schools; if pertussis, measles and the like became common place as in some places in germany and Switzerland, I would probably stay away and go for another school or coop or whatever.

there would be a million things to look at in this hypothetical! i don't think I can do them all justice-- but diversity is big for us; we've found a good place but even now we are still looking for something better-- an aim to move as DH has a new job.

[runes]

Originally Posted by carriebft

sorry for so many edits- I am going to assume you mean it this way:

(eta) if by that section you mean I would not have the luxury of choice because of segregation laws, I would answer that that is not true. I could vaccinate my kids to get them into the other schools. I feel that is a choice.

I meant that you would not have the luxury to remain a selective and delayed vaccinator. You're right, I did leave out the choice that you could potentially fully vaccinate your children in order for them to go to a fully vaccinated school. Sorry for my omission.


And you are putting words in my mouth. I do not think it is distasteful that those who are more education and of high socioeconomic status tend to second guess these things. I don't have any distaste for that. It's just a fact, not something I feel any way towards. It's like "the sky is blue" it just is....would I love for the these traits to be more spread out? definitely...that's why I think it's important to spread knowledge.

what I said was that a school made solely of a population like this would not be one I would want. I want my kids to be amongst all walks of life. that is a personal choice we have made. I have nothing against caucasian people, but I have no interest in sending my kids to a school comprised solely of white kids.

Population like what? Just because the demographic statistics show that non-vaccinating or vaccine choice families tend to have higher socioeconomic status and higher education status than fully vaccinating families does not mean that they are not a diverse group. People have many reasons for not vaccinating, obviously, because there are medical, philosophical and religious exemptions (in most states.)

I don't get how you got these things from my post. And you are completely glossing over the idea that telling immune compromised kids they should probably be homeschooled is segregation, which was the original point of the post you responded to at first.

I would never tell an immune compromised child that they should be homeschooled. I do think that it would be a consideration, and I agree with ema-adama that if my child were immunocompromised, I would rather take matters into my own hands with things that I can control vs. relying on "the herd" and in that case would homeschool. I don't think of homeschooling as segregation in any way shape or form. Some assume that it is, but for me, it is a 100% viable and appropriate educational option regardless of a child's immune or vax status.

I think we may have cross posted a bit.

And vaccinated does not mean immune, so would a non-vaccinated but fully immune child be "allowed" to go to the vax school? Would there be regular titre testing to see if the vaxed kids are in fact immune?

Many many many slippery slopes.

[carriebft]

It could be diverse, but I was just relying on the studies we have and the, as unscientific as it is, experiences I have in this area.

But don't get me wrong; I'd look first and not just assume but there would be other considerations as I said in the last post.

in any event, that is probably getting away from the topic- I do that all the time but I felt the post I originally referred to was not just talking about the member herself but it was a recommendation for all-- the idea that 'that kind of kid' should not be in a mainstream school or whatever.

[littlecindy]

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[tammyswanson]

Originally Posted by Mommy2Austin

You know whats funny about that...I wouldn't mind sending my kids to a school of other unvaccinated kids. I'd actually prefer it! More than likely I'd get along with the parents better than most of the uninformed fully vaxing parents (not the ones who research and decide to vax)

ETA: The article was extremely poorly written with little fact and mostly uninformed opinion.

So would I, but I'm going to do cyberschool instead.

Hmm, an article poorly written? Hey, that's the soup du jour for the media today.

[Deborah]

I want to tell a story.

When I was 8 I got measles. My family was living in a tiny apartment. I remember it as two rooms, but I guess it was actually 4. Living room, bedroom, kitchen, bathroom. There were seven of us. The children all slept in the living room, except for my youngest brother, who shared the bedroom with my parents.

My two older brother had already gone through the measles, as children did back in the dark ages of the 40s and 50s. My younger siblings, ages three and one had not. My mother moved me into the bedroom for care and probably pushed my father and the baby back into the living room to sleep.

This is the weird part. My two younger siblings did not, at that time, catch the measles. I'm sure they both had them later on, but not then.

I'd suspect that my little brother didn't get them because my mother had passed on antibodies.

No idea about my little sister.

The conditions were ideal for a mini-epidemic, but it didn't occur.

[Deborah]

Wanted to add that in the Pink Book (CDC) chapter on measles I remember reading something about most kids back in the old days catching measles between 5 and 9 years of age. I wonder how that was managed?

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by Deborah

Wanted to add that in the Pink Book (CDC) chapter on measles I remember reading something about most kids back in the old days catching measles between 5 and 9 years of age. I wonder how that was managed?

That is a really good question.

[CorasMama]

Totally OT, but when I saw this on New Posts, I thought, "they moved the Dodgers again? What city is MMR?"

<--- dork.