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post #41 of 96
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Originally Posted by chickabiddy View Post
Yes, but they have separate requirements for rear-facing and forward-facing. No seat certified for use in the US allows forward-facing BELOW 1 year and 20 pounds; however, some have higher requirements -- the law defers to the manufacturer's certification.

ETA to respond to your edit -- yes, the police would have to prove that the driver *should have known* about the forward-facing limits, but with the big stickers on the side of the seat, that shouldn't be difficult.
I would read one year and 20 lbs to be which ever comes first.. becuase it doesn't state that one way or the other.
post #42 of 96
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
I would read one year and 20 lbs to be which ever comes first.. becuase it doesn't state that one way or the other.
if it were whichever comes first wouldn't it be one year or 20 lbs?
post #43 of 96
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I would read one year and 20 lbs to be which ever comes first.. becuase it doesn't state that one way or the other.
One year AND 20 lbs means both. One year OR 20 lbs would mean whichever comes first.
post #44 of 96
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Originally Posted by 1littlebit View Post
if it were whichever comes first wouldn't it be one year or 20 lbs?
One year and 20lbs doesn't make sense to me. It should be worded whichever comes last then. I think it is poorly worded.
post #45 of 96
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One year AND 20 lbs means both. One year OR 20 lbs would mean whichever comes first.
Thats not the way I read it. In my head it makes no sense. :P It should SAY whichever is first or last to be clear.
post #46 of 96
they have to be one year and 20lbs.... im thinking about it.. and it still makes sense to me.. but maybe b/c i am used to thinking of it that way

i keep trying lol.. and definitely means both.. because if they are 20 lbs but not one year that is not 20 lbs and one year. wow ... this is harder then i thought
post #47 of 96
CHP, fire department. This is where we refer people. You can't legally give carseat info unless you are trained to do so. I highly doubt that BRU personnel are trained.
post #48 of 96
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Originally Posted by BugMacGee View Post
CHP, fire department. This is where we refer people. You can't legally give carseat info unless you are trained to do so. I highly doubt that BRU personnel are trained.
there is a lady who goes to my grocery store who need to get a citation or something. she drives me nuts and keeps asking when i am going to turn ds FF. i don't even know the woman.
post #49 of 96
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Originally Posted by 1littlebit View Post
they have to be one year and 20lbs.... im thinking about it.. and it still makes sense to me.. but maybe b/c i am used to thinking of it that way

i keep trying lol.. and definitely means both.. because if they are 20 lbs but not one year that is not 20 lbs and one year. wow ... this is harder then i thought
But you can't necessarily be one year and 20 lbs. You could be one year and 25lbs.. but not necessarily one year and 20lbs.

But as I said.. my oldest kids were born in a time when it was whichever was first. So I guess it's just how you have thought about it the longest.
post #50 of 96
lol thats probably true.... and i think a lot of kids reach 1 yr and 20 lbs around roughly the same time.

my FIL says that when he was a kid they just held babies in the car. this was his excuse when he tried to explain why he tied ds's car seat in the car.
post #51 of 96
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Originally Posted by 1littlebit View Post
they have to be one year and 20lbs.... im thinking about it.. and it still makes sense to me.. but maybe b/c i am used to thinking of it that way

i keep trying lol.. and definitely means both.. because if they are 20 lbs but not one year that is not 20 lbs and one year. wow ... this is harder then i thought
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Originally Posted by 1littlebit View Post
lol thats probably true.... and i think a lot of kids reach 1 yr and 20 lbs around roughly the same time.

my FIL says that when he was a kid they just held babies in the car. this was his excuse when he tried to explain why he tied ds's car seat in the car.
Hehe.. that is kinda funny.. in a sad sort of way. Being ignorant of the law is no excuse though. However with this one.. I think it could be worded differently to be clearer. Last I checked there was no safe age/weight to tie car seats in the car.
post #52 of 96
if there was fil would have found it just to prove me wrong.

i imagine that since most people just turn their kids when they turn 1 yr you are probably right about the wording. people always say "but he's one year you can turn him" ... ok i can but its not a requirement or anything.
post #53 of 96
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Doctors should know this information. As a matter of fact, I remember being given flyer's with this information when I used to go to well baby visits with my older kids.
Doctors don't know this information. In fact, even though the AAP recently revised their recommendations, making it even clearer that rear-facing is safer, pediatricians are still saying "Well, your baby is a year old! You can turn him around now."

The only people you can count on to know this information are people specifically trained in it. They're called CPSTs. A place that gets frequent inquiries should stock brochures released by the NHTSA, SafeKids, the AAP, or some such organization with some expertise and a reputation on the line. When employees are asked questions, they should grab a brochure and tell the customer (politely) to read all they want.
post #54 of 96
why does it always take pediatricians so long to catch up with current recommendations? i think i know more about what the AAP recommends in regards to babies than some pediatricians i know.
post #55 of 96
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Originally Posted by Ironica View Post
Doctors don't know this information. In fact, even though the AAP recently revised their recommendations, making it even clearer that rear-facing is safer, pediatricians are still saying "Well, your baby is a year old! You can turn him around now."

The only people you can count on to know this information are people specifically trained in it. They're called CPSTs. A place that gets frequent inquiries should stock brochures released by the NHTSA, SafeKids, the AAP, or some such organization with some expertise and a reputation on the line. When employees are asked questions, they should grab a brochure and tell the customer (politely) to read all they want.
When I lived in California I was given flyers with the current laws on it.
post #56 of 96
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
But you can't necessarily be one year and 20 lbs. You could be one year and 25lbs.. but not necessarily one year and 20lbs.

But as I said.. my oldest kids were born in a time when it was whichever was first. So I guess it's just how you have thought about it the longest.
It should say "1 year and AT LEAST 20lbs." Because that is what they mean.
post #57 of 96
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Originally Posted by Breeder View Post
It should say "1 year and AT LEAST 20lbs." Because that is what they mean.

I often see it worded as "BOTH 1 year AND 20lbs" which, with the word 'both', I think is pretty clear.
post #58 of 96
I agree that wording may be confusing, but since the law in Michigan (and many other states) is to use the carseats according to the manufacturer's specifications, all a person would need to do is read the carseat manual, which is pretty detailed and specific.
post #59 of 96
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Originally Posted by chickabiddy View Post
I agree that wording may be confusing, but since the law in Michigan (and many other states) is to use the carseats according to the manufacturer's specifications, all a person would need to do is read the carseat manual, which is pretty detailed and specific.
Yep that is true. And as I said before, it is the responsibility of the buyer to know this information or know where to get it.. not the responsibility of the store to give it out. Signs with the webadress/phone number of installation clinics or installers might be a good choice. But seriously, If I wanted to know the law about something, I would call the police department.
post #60 of 96
Did anyone notice this????

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(2) This section does not apply to any child being nursed.
Does this mean that it is actually legal to nurse a child in a moving vehicle???
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