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post #61 of 96
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Originally Posted by KirstenMary View Post
Did anyone notice this????



Does this mean that it is actually legal to nurse a child in a moving vehicle???
I have heard of this in one state back east.
post #62 of 96
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Originally Posted by KirstenMary View Post
Does this mean that it is actually legal to nurse a child in a moving vehicle???
I believe there was a case a couple years ago where a mother who started out in Michigan (or lived in Michigan or something) was nursing a child in... Ohio, I believe, in a moving car. She got ticketed, I believe, and tried to fight it. Let me see if I can find that info...
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post #64 of 96
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Originally Posted by StephandOwen View Post
I believe there was a case a couple years ago where a mother who started out in Michigan (or lived in Michigan or something) was nursing a child in... Ohio, I believe, in a moving car. She got ticketed, I believe, and tried to fight it. Let me see if I can find that info...
Isn't that the one who was nursing while driving and talking on the cell phone and taking notes? Then she refused to give the cop her info cause only her husband could do that? It was strange.. I guess I will go read your link.
post #65 of 96
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Originally Posted by StephandOwen View Post
That is wild! I can't believe the woman gave no thought to the fact that her baby was unsafe out of a carseat. Of course she made sure SHE was wearing a seatbelt, but the baby could just lay there because it isn't illegal.

I will continue to be horrified by this for the rest of the day.
post #66 of 96
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Isn't that the one who was nursing while driving and talking on the cell phone and taking notes? Then she refused to give the cop her info cause only her husband could do that? It was strange.. I guess I will go read your link.
I think that was a second one that happened recently.... February of this year maybe? A woman driving, breastfeeding and talking on a cell phone. Insane. That one was in Ohio too. Maybe we should all just avoid roads in Ohio... LOL (said jokingly... my older sis lives in Ohio. While she does breastfeed, she wouldn't while driving! I also drive through Ohio regularly to get to Michigan ).
post #67 of 96
The law in MI used to be that if you were nursing a baby then you couldnt be ticketed for the baby not being in a carseat, dont know if they took that out when they recently changed (improved) the carseat laws.

I am pretty surprised that there isnt an expectation that the people selling you are carseat at *a baby store* know the bare minimum of how to use that carseat. When i go to Best Buy to buy a video card for my son's computer, i expect the guy who is working that specific section to know which one i should buy, or at *the very least* not give me bad advice. Its ok for him to say "i dont have an opinion" or "i cant tell you the answer to that" but for him to sell me a product that is actually BAD for my computer is not cool. I would expect less from the guy at walmart, but i presume additional training at places like Best Buy which is more of a specialty/product specific type of place.

So, in a similar vein, i would expect the manager of baby gear at BRU to know the bare minimum basics about carseat safety and carseat products...for example, i would expect her to know that a baby must be 1 yr old AND at least 20 pounds to forward face, so that the workers in that section were not erroneously selling fwd facing only carseats to parents of 9 month olds. To me, thats basic common sense. Now, would i expect that same person to tell people not to fwd face until the limits of the seat (so, not the minimum 1 and 20)...well, that would be really nice, but no, i wouldnt expect it. Would i expect this same person to NOT tell someone "oh, no, ERF is so unsafe because the child could move the seat or break his legs!", yes, i would expect them to NOT give out stupid advice. Unfortunately thats not always the case.

I think most parents spending 200 or 300 hundred bucks on a seat at BRU fully expect to get some guidance from the person selling it to them, esp since the person usually ACTS like they know what they are talking about.

I think its really sad that a person working (ESP a manager or supervisor) in a baby-specific store wouldnt WANT to keep up to date on the latest info, provide good info to their customers etc. But at the very least they should not be giving out info that is contrary to the manufacturer's guidelines of a product they are selling to their customers.


Katherine
post #68 of 96
Hi all! Please keep in mind the new guidelines for discussing news articles:
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post #69 of 96
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Originally Posted by just_lily View Post
That is wild! I can't believe the woman gave no thought to the fact that her baby was unsafe out of a carseat. Of course she made sure SHE was wearing a seatbelt, but the baby could just lay there because it isn't illegal.

I will continue to be horrified by this for the rest of the day.
It's amazing how car seat laws differ from state to state.

As far as the OP is concerned, I do not expect the sales people at any store to be experts on laws that concern my children. My kids = my responsibility to know what's right and what's wrong. And even if the sales person was correct, I would still look up the information myself because frankly, when it comes to my kids, the only one I really trust is myself.
post #70 of 96
Like a previous poster, I was ignorant of my state's laws until one day at the store I saw a stack of posters indicating the law. I'm so glad my store had those because I had no idea that you shouldn't turn a 20 pound 4 month old. I wish all stores included these sheets next to their car seats.
post #71 of 96
The nursing exemption in Michigan law has not been removed. There is current legislation that would do that, finally. Although it hasn't been voted on the last couple times it's been introduced, so I'm not holding my breath. It's blocking access to millions of dollars of federal funding for child restraints.

I would prefer that baby stores did one of two things, train their staff as CPST's (and we have some awesome local stores that have done just that!!) OR teach their staff to NOT answer questions but refer them to a list of local CPST's, and/or a national list of resources.

Parents do expect the advice of a sales person to at least be sort of accurate, and it's often wildly wrong. I here all kinds of stories from parents who were told crazy things, and then I have to go back and explain that they are not CPST's, they should not be offering that advice, etc. And here is what the real advice is...
post #72 of 96
I worked at Babies R Us a few years back. Even at our store, there were issues with associates telling customers the wrong information about car seat laws, what was safest, etc.

I was in BRU recently and had to explain to a woman why her 18ish month old DD was not safe in a booster and it was against the law. The associate was showing her boosters and then I spoke up, so he began showing her the Nautilus and I spoke up again and he got mad and left.. her and I ended up talking and was grateful for the info I gave her. Sheesh. :/
post #73 of 96
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Originally Posted by ilovemyavery View Post
The nursing exemption in Michigan law has not been removed.
post #74 of 96
Pro BFing is one thing, but that shouldn't be at the expense of safety. Seriously people you should not have your baby unbuckled in a moving car. Even if you are nursing.
post #75 of 96
Breastmilk has a lot of superpowers, but it can't safely restrain a child in a crash.
post #76 of 96
meh. I'm just always for LESS legislation. I don't want or need the government micromanaging my life Some people do, though, so YMMV.
post #77 of 96
I don't think it's micromanaging to codify into law that car in motion = baby in car seat.
post #78 of 96
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
I could not disagree with this more. It takes a split second for an accident to happen, God forbid. Why not just pull over to feed the baby?

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Originally Posted by rhiandmoi View Post
Pro BFing is one thing, but that shouldn't be at the expense of safety. Seriously people you should not have your baby unbuckled in a moving car. Even if you are nursing.
Yes.

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Originally Posted by chickabiddy View Post
Breastmilk has a lot of superpowers, but it can't safely restrain a child in a crash.
Yes to this, too.

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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
meh. I'm just always for LESS legislation. I don't want or need the government micromanaging my life Some people do, though, so YMMV.
Sadly, some people need to be micromanaged.
post #79 of 96
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Originally Posted by UberMama View Post
I worked at Babies R Us a few years back. Even at our store, there were issues with associates telling customers the wrong information about car seat laws, what was safest, etc.

I was in BRU recently and had to explain to a woman why her 18ish month old DD was not safe in a booster and it was against the law. The associate was showing her boosters and then I spoke up, so he began showing her the Nautilus and I spoke up again and he got mad and left.. her and I ended up talking and was grateful for the info I gave her. Sheesh. :/
Eh... I have a Nautilus, and while my 5 year old uses it and my 2 year old uses her old Evenflo advanced I am wondering why an 18 month old couldn't use it if the child fit the height and weight requirement?
post #80 of 96
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Originally Posted by rhiandmoi View Post
I don't think it's micromanaging to codify into law that car in motion = baby in car seat.
I do, but I'm a libertarian, so...
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