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My mother says he's spoiled... is she right?

post #1 of 52
Thread Starter 
My mother, who visits twice yearly for about a month, informs me that I am spoiling my 2.5 yo DS (youngest of three). Her examples:

2.5yo DS is playing in the living room, pretending to be an eagle, accidentally hits 6yo DD while 'flying' by. I comfort 6yo DD, tell 2.5yo DS that I know it was an accident but he hurt DD, say that it would be nice to give her a hug and say he's sorry. Often he will apologize, this time he said 'no, I am being an eagle', and continued flying. I hugged DD, told her I was sorry she was hurt, and sat and snuggled with her while she continued doing what she was doing (reading). After a few minutes, with no further request, he came over and said he was sorry, and hugged her. She thinks he should have to say he's sorry, and that if he doesn't there should be a consequence.

Another example - Supper is ready. 2.5yo DS is playing in the library. I go and tell him that dinner is ready and ask him to come to the table. He doesn't respond right away, so I ask him if he'd like to be an airplane and fly to the table. He jumps up and I 'fly' him to the table, put him on his chair, and sit in mine. Without another word, he gets up, goes back to the library, continues playing. As he's leaving, I ask him to stay and eat, he doesn't answer. I finish my supper, as does the rest of the family, we clear the table (not his plate). A half an hour later, he asks if he can have his supper, I warm it up, he eats it in his chair. She thinks I should make him stay at the table.

Third example - 2.5yo naps during the afternoon, which he never does anymore. At his usual bedtime, he is not at all tired (which I expected), so we don't start bedtime until an hour later. (I think she thinks I should make him go to bed on time regardless). Same thing if he's up through the night - if he wakes up completely for some reason, it can take him 45 minutes of quiet snuggling or BF with me to settle back down. She thinks that at this age, that shouldn't be necessary.

One more example - 2.5yo, again at the table, is intentionally dropping banana pieces on the just-cleaned floor. I ask him not to, as the banana will be dirty and he won't be able to eat it. He continues, and tells me he is making a picture. I tell him that if he doesn't stop, I'll have to take the banana as I don't want him to waste the food. He doesn't, so I do take it away. After lunch, he helps me clean up the banana and I give him some paper and wax crayons to draw a picture. She thinks there should be a punishment, and thinks that the crayons and paper could be seen as a reward. I see it as redirecting his need to be creative at that point.

Opinions, please??

2.5yo DS is very active at this age, and we try and pick our battles... though I don't like to call them battles. It is true that he is my last baby. Am I parenting differently as a result? I hope not. I hope that the only effect is that I treasure all of these moments all the more. I guess I need reassurance that I am NOT crazy, and that these techniques do NOT spoil a child.
post #2 of 52
Sounds like you and your kids have a good groove going. If you started doing what your mom suggested you'd just have a power struggle on your hands.
post #3 of 52
Personally - I would handle those situations differently. But I don't think what you're doing is wrong, either. I'm somewhere between you and your mom.

1 - I do force appologies and would have sent him to 'calm down' in his room until he was ready to say sorry.
2 - If DS is not hungry then he doesn't have to eat with us. But I wouldn't have given him his dinner half an hour later. If you're not hungry.. then you're not hungry. So I would have offered a snack instead.
3 - Agree with you on the bedtime thing.
4 - I would have taken the banana away with no warning b/c at that age DS knew he wasn't to throw stuff on the floor. I probably would have given him the crayons afterwards though. I don't think it needed any more punishment or anything.
post #4 of 52
The only thing I would do different is scenario #2. When we eat together as a family, we sit together until everyone is done. Even if someone isn't eating they will sit at the table and take part in the conversation.
post #5 of 52
Thread Starter 
[QUOTE=D_McG;13919208]Personally - I would handle those situations differently. But I don't think what you're doing is wrong, either. I'm somewhere between you and your mom.

1 - I do force appologies and would have sent him to 'calm down' in his room until he was ready to say sorry.

- Would you do this even if it was an accidental injury? In that situation, he wasn't upset, but would have become worked up had I insisted on the apology before he was ready... also, i think he actually felt sorry a few minutes later when he saw that she was upset, and I'd rather a real apology than one I've extracted by force...

2 - If DS is not hungry then he doesn't have to eat with us. But I wouldn't have given him his dinner half an hour later. If you're not hungry.. then you're not hungry. So I would have offered a snack instead.

- I just worry that this gives him a way to protest whatever was for dinner, knowing he'd get different snack later. In the scenario I mentioned, I thought he just wasn't hungry yet. My rationale was that as I don't like to be forced to eat when I'm not hungry, I don't force him either. But if he decides he's hungry after, there's still only supper available...

Thanks for the feedback... it is easy to feel all alone in this sometimes.
post #6 of 52
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Originally Posted by D_McG View Post
Personally - I would handle those situations differently. But I don't think what you're doing is wrong, either. I'm somewhere between you and your mom.

1 - I do force appologies and would have sent him to 'calm down' in his room until he was ready to say sorry.
2 - If DS is not hungry then he doesn't have to eat with us. But I wouldn't have given him his dinner half an hour later. If you're not hungry.. then you're not hungry. So I would have offered a snack instead.
3 - Agree with you on the bedtime thing.
4 - I would have taken the banana away with no warning b/c at that age DS knew he wasn't to throw stuff on the floor. I probably would have given him the crayons afterwards though. I don't think it needed any more punishment or anything.

These would pretty much be my same responses - and yes, even if he did this accidently I would make him say sorry (#1).
As far as #2, getting up from the table would not have been an option. Dinner at our house is served at one time only - unless someone can't be there (school, work, emergency, etc), and my children have always been aware of that.
For #4, I would probably give 1 warning and then would take the banana away.
post #7 of 52
Even if it was an accident, yes. I also force please/thank you. It's just common courtesy. If you hurt someone, you say sorry. Intentional or not.

I get your point about dinner. Although it sounds like he probably was hungry if he ate 30 minutes later. I guess I wouldn't think much about it if it only happened one time. But if it continued to happen then I would have a snack time (before bed) and no food b/w your dinner time and that snack time.
post #8 of 52
He doesn't sound spoiled to me.
post #9 of 52
I think you are doing a great job. I would probably handle those situations in the same way that you did. I don't force apologies, I don't force sitting at the table and cleaning your plate, etc. Your mom is just from a different generation. I'd nod and then ignore her "advice".
post #10 of 52
I would have handled everything just like you did. Some people define "spoiled" as "doesn't do exactly what you want immediately when you want it." I call that "being a different person."
post #11 of 52
I don't think spoiled is the right word. I would say you require a much lower level of obedience than I do, but that's your choice and one that impacts you, not me. I absolutely could not tolerate some of that behavior, but I accept that I am not a particularly patient and easy-going person. If you're comfortable with the precedent you're setting and can live cheerfully with the results, that's what really matters here.
post #12 of 52
Well, i disagree with your parenting approach, but idk if i would call it spoiling.

1. it is common curtousy to acknowledge someone when you injure them. It is part of learning to share space with other ppl.

2. we sit together as a family to eat.

3. no issues with this one.

4. we do not play with food. And if i tell her to stop, i expect her to stop. you took away the banana - that was the consequence. He helped you clean it up after lunch, so idk why you would continue to punish him per your mom - the crayons make sense to me.
post #13 of 52
I agree with you except for scenario #2. You asked him to come back to the table and he didn't. You ignored the fact that he didn't even seem to hear you. I would not have made his dinner for him an hour later. If I let my kids eat whenever they want I'd be making 4 dinners!
post #14 of 52
I would have done things differently on a couple, too....

1. Hurting others, even accidentally, warrants an apology in our family (and in most cases in society as well). How awful for your DD to be accidentally hurt and then ignored by her brother. Let me ask you this - would you have let it pass if your DD was the one to accidentally hurt your DS and wouldn't apologize because she was in the middle of something else? Would you have left her to her own accord until she came back and did it later? I wouldn't have....but that's just what I think is reasonable.

2. My biggest thing with this one is that you asked him to stay and eat, and he walked off and ignored you. In our house, kids stay at the table and we eat as a family. And I don't tolerate being ignored when I'm speaking to someone. I also would not have reheated and served the food later - at that point all I offer for hungry bellies before bedtime is a peanut butter sandwich.

3. Wouldn't have changed a thing. I don't see your mom's concern with this one. ???

4. I would have taken the banana away & made him clean the mess after the first warning. Then I still would have given him the crayons and paper later anyway, because taking the banana away and cleaning was the punishment.

That's it!


At least with these other perspectives, you can see where your mom is coming from. But regardless, they are YOUR kids and no one else's.
post #15 of 52
hmmmm...I think you are doing great (and I too have a 2.5yo). I think his apology later has MUCH more meaning than anything you could have forced/punished out of him.

I'd be pretty ticked if I wasn't hungry and my husband refused to let me eat in a little while when I was actually hungry. We do try to have our evening meal as a family, but I also have to respect my daughter and realize she's only 2 and can't sit and chat the way I can.

I've never been able to force my daughter to nap/sleep. I've tried. She sleeps when she's ready (and she is a night owl like me!)

I'm guessing he likes getting reactions when dropping food on the floor? Luckily, dd doesn't really do this (knock on wood) but taking the food away and having him help clean it up seems like a great plan.

Good luck, mama; I think you're doing well!
post #16 of 52
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the feedback and support... it helps to hear different perspectives. I should clarify that I do require please and thank you, and do encourage I'm sorry, but don't punish if my 2.5 yo isn't forthcoming with it. I just feel it's worth more when it's genuine. I do agree that apologies for even accidental injury are necessary to navigate society... which is why he doesn't navigate it alone at this age I guess!
adding to last post... (was distracted for a minute)

Really that's not the point though - what I'm trying to do is get him to the point that he says he's sorry because he IS. And he WAS, and did aplogize, which I knew he would, within a few minutes. He just needs to do things on his own terms. In retrospect though, maybe I could have removed him from the living room as a consequence of not being able to play eagle without hurting others? Still seems like a bit of a stretch to me... what do you think?
post #17 of 52
i think you are doing great and i agree with pp he apology he did on his own later was so much more meaningful than a forced apology.
post #18 of 52
Thread Starter 
THANK YOU We followed the same approach with suppertime with our other two kids (now 7 and 6 yo)... gradually requiring more of them as they got older. The trick is judging what they're capable of at a given age, I think.
post #19 of 52
#2- I would have had him sit with us. Here, we eat meals as a family. If you're not hungry, you don't have to eat, but if you get hungry later, you get an apple, not dinner.

#4- You had him clean it up with you, which seems like the natural consequence to me. I don't see why punishment would have been necessary.
post #20 of 52
Saying the OP requires a "lower level of obedience" seems like a judgment to me. I'd say she's very in tune with her children.
It all sounds great to me. Yeah, it's nice to eat together as a family, but I'm not willing to sacrifice *everyone's* mealtime for this. Sometimes I'm not hungry either.
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