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post #41 of 52
I think that your mom is right, in some aspects.

Children should learn to acknowledge if they hurt someone.

Also, I believe that kids should be expected to sit with the family at meal times. Most people I know don't have dinner for a long period of time. If you don't start while they are very young, then when?

We don't "do" eating in "shifts". Nor do we allow a treat if dinner hasn't been eaten. I am not a member of the "clean plate club". But, if you have not eaten one bite of dinner, and then expect a cookie later, forget it.

We don't play with food, or waste it. It is too expensive these days.

Hard nosed? To some, probably. But it works in our house. Y'all don't have to agree.
post #42 of 52
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Originally Posted by Enudely View Post
I don't think it's age appropriate to expect a 2.5 year old to sit at the table through dinner....
I read this here a good bit, but I disagree with it. Both of my children are perfectly capable. DS is 4; DD is 2.5. Both sit through dinner with the family and have since they were born. As newborns, they were in a sling, and as they got older, DH and I juggled them while we ate. As soon as they could sit up on their own, they sat in the highchair while we ate. There is a point when DH and I are chatting, but we're all done when they can ask to be excused. They rarely do, though. They usually sit and chat with us or with each other. DS has once or twice said he wanted to play instead, and DH said no, even if you're not eating, we have dinner as a family.

It's only inappropriate, imo, if you suddenly enforce it and expect your 2YO to sit through dinner when that hasn't been the family norm. In those cases, I think you do have to work your way up to it. And if you don't think sitting together as a family is necessary, then that's fine, too, for your family, but it should be because you choose it - not because you believe your child is incapable.

As for the OP, the biggest problem I see is the ignoring. Both DD and DS have gone through this, but I've always gotten on eye level with them and said, "I was talking to you." (I never say that in a mean or accusatory way. I just want them to acknowledge that I was talking, and DS does have a tendency to daydream and really not realize anyone was addressing him.) Then I repeat whatever I said, and we go from there. I don't think it's appropriate to just walk out of the room when someone's talking to you, and I think a 2.5 YO can learn that.
post #43 of 52
One thing that bothers me is when people assume that because THEIR kid is capable of something, ALL kids can do it. It may not be a big deal for your kid to sit through a meal, but a HUGE deal for another. It's not for us to judge, IMO.

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I don't think that it's totally true that teaching a child how to treat you respectfully is harmful for the relationship even if he's a bit young to grasp it one hundred percent. Telling a child your expectations of how you want to be treated without shame or punishment is just laying the ground work for the future. I think it would have been totally reasonable to gently say to him that he is more than welcome to play, but mommy would like it if he told her that instead of walking away. Of course he doesn't get it one hundred percent. But it keeps communication open, it's respectful and in a few years from now he won't be totally shocked when mom's all upset that he totally ignored her request. He'll know that acknowledging mama when she speaks to him is important to her. Now if it isn't an issue for the OP, than it doesn't really matter, but if it is important to another mom it isn't going to be harmful to her relationship with her child to let them know how she feels.
I totally agree with all you say here. But I do still think that the potential exists for damage to the relationship, depending on the level of insistence on adherence to "respect," which is such a vague term. I see a lot of potential frustration there.
post #44 of 52
I don't think your mom has a right to advise you on parenting matters unless you have asked for advice.
It sounds to me like you and your children are in your own groove, as a PP said, and it's working for you.

I will agree with some PPs that the ignoring thing would irk me, but then again, we're talking about a 2.5 year old here. He doesn't quite have the frame of reference to comprehend the disrespectfulness of ignoring someone when they are talking to you- he's just busy. I wouldn't hesitate to tell him in simple words that I would like him to listen. That may have entailed following him into the room he wondered off into and getting down on his level for a moment to repeat what I had said, asking him to listen.
But then again, you've got a big family and it was more convenient for everyone at the time to just eat and be done with it, which is understandable.
post #45 of 52
I have to agree that 2.5 is a tricky age because some kids can sit through a meal, but many can't. This is an age of huge inconsistencies and disparities in development. I believe that children should be encouraged from as early as possible to sit at the table, but the mom in question no doubt has determined that her son is not there yet.

Based on her other responses, it seems like if he was, she would have used another gentle way to encourage that.
post #46 of 52
i think you are doing just fine. i think your mommy instincts are right on for your child and your family. let comments slide off your back.

i would have done some things different, but my kids and family are different. you know your child, and what works for him.


oh... spoiling is something that happens to something left on the shelf too long. you are nurturing.
post #47 of 52
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2.5yo DS is playing in the living room, pretending to be an eagle, accidentally hits 6yo DD while 'flying' by. I comfort 6yo DD, tell 2.5yo DS that I know it was an accident but he hurt DD, say that it would be nice to give her a hug and say he's sorry. Often he will apologize, this time he said 'no, I am being an eagle', and continued flying. I hugged DD, told her I was sorry she was hurt, and sat and snuggled with her while she continued doing what she was doing (reading). After a few minutes, with no further request, he came over and said he was sorry, and hugged her. She thinks he should have to say he's sorry, and that if he doesn't there should be a consequence.
He said sorry. He said sorry when he meant it. While I know many disagree, I don't see an issue with this at all. I'm not sure I'd handle it that well.

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Another example - Supper is ready. 2.5yo DS is playing in the library. I go and tell him that dinner is ready and ask him to come to the table. He doesn't respond right away, so I ask him if he'd like to be an airplane and fly to the table. He jumps up and I 'fly' him to the table, put him on his chair, and sit in mine. Without another word, he gets up, goes back to the library, continues playing. As he's leaving, I ask him to stay and eat, he doesn't answer. I finish my supper, as does the rest of the family, we clear the table (not his plate). A half an hour later, he asks if he can have his supper, I warm it up, he eats it in his chair. She thinks I should make him stay at the table.
We have our kids stay at the table during supper, whether they're eating or not. But, that's a style difference (and some of it is in reaction to the complete lack of family time when I was with my ex). I'd probably require some kind of answer when I spoke to him, because it's not okay for my kids to just ignore people when they're being talked to...but that's also a personal hot button. I'd do the same thing, as far as giving him his plate back (unless it was something he didn't like, as opposed to him just not being hungry at dinner time). I don't think kids need to get the idea that they should eat when other people are hungry, especially when they're as young as your ds.

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Third example - 2.5yo naps during the afternoon, which he never does anymore. At his usual bedtime, he is not at all tired (which I expected), so we don't start bedtime until an hour later. (I think she thinks I should make him go to bed on time regardless). Same thing if he's up through the night - if he wakes up completely for some reason, it can take him 45 minutes of quiet snuggling or BF with me to settle back down. She thinks that at this age, that shouldn't be necessary.
If a strict bedtime doesn't matter to you, then I see no issue. As for snuggling back to sleep, every child is different, and even the same child is different some nights. (For example, ds2 goes to sleep quite happily most nights - I say my goodnights to both of them, and he sits and plays in his bed until he wants to sleep. But, we had one night recently when dh ended up spelling me on the snuggle time, because ds2 was freaking without a cuddle, and my bladder was ready to burst. It took well over an hour to get him soothed back to sleep...and he's almost 4.

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One more example - 2.5yo, again at the table, is intentionally dropping banana pieces on the just-cleaned floor. I ask him not to, as the banana will be dirty and he won't be able to eat it. He continues, and tells me he is making a picture. I tell him that if he doesn't stop, I'll have to take the banana as I don't want him to waste the food. He doesn't, so I do take it away. After lunch, he helps me clean up the banana and I give him some paper and wax crayons to draw a picture. She thinks there should be a punishment, and thinks that the crayons and paper could be seen as a reward. I see it as redirecting his need to be creative at that point.
I don't see any point in a punishment. I think you handled this well. I usually end up cleaning up after ds2, because I just don't have the energy to try to make him clean up. It's something I need to work on. Your ds is learning to pick up his own mess, so why punish him?

He doesn't sound spoiled to me. As I said, there are some things that I'd put more or less emphasis on, but that's a matter of personal priorities, not a belief that your way is "wrong" and mine is "right".
post #48 of 52
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Originally Posted by TinkerBelle View Post
Children should learn to acknowledge if they hurt someone.
He did.

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Also, I believe that kids should be expected to sit with the family at meal times. Most people I know don't have dinner for a long period of time. If you don't start while they are very young, then when?
We started with dd as soon as she was too old to eat on our laps. She tried to climb out of her highchair, and she still gets up from the table regularly. She has to come back, unless she asks to be excused, but...she's 6. Starting early accomplished nothing. She hates sitting at the table if she's not eating, and she's rarely eating.
post #49 of 52
Except for the dinner scenerio, I would have done all the same things..

Oh.. wait, the banana would have been gone immediately. "Use it or lose it" is the rule with food in my house.

Otherwise, you have the same attitude I have... not that you and I are right, and others are wrong... It's just what's worked for me.

(dinner would be served at dinner time.... if he leaves at dinner, I might have left it out for him, but I wouldn't have reheated it)
post #50 of 52
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(dinner would be served at dinner time.... if he leaves at dinner, I might have left it out for him, but I wouldn't have reheated it)
I was thinking that, but I think I might. It would probably depend on what it was. We eat a lot of meals that are just fine cold or lukewarm, and some that are really unpalatable if they're cold. I don't want to punish my kids for not being hungry when I am, yk?
post #51 of 52
I can't see anything wrong with what you did. If your son habitually hurt people without apologizing, that'd be one thing. But I think at 2.5 years old a child with a general pattern of socially-acceptable responses to hurting someone should certainly be forgiven the occasional transgression, especially when it was an accidental hit, not one in anger.

I don't know how people get an unwilling 2.5-year-old sit at the table even if he's not hungry. I'd probably have to take out duct tape. If it's very important to you, I could see asking him to please sit down for 1-2 minutes, but at that age I don't see what good really comes of it. Then again, we do not have a set family dinner during the week (my husband comes home from work after the girls are asleep) so this isn't a big issue in my home.
post #52 of 52
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Oh.. wait, the banana would have been gone immediately. "Use it or lose it" is the rule with food in my house.
He was using the banana... Just not in the gerenally accepted manner.
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