reaction to dtap? *UPDATED*

[snomnky]

*UPDATE*
I ended up calling the ped and the nurse agreed that she was having a reaction. I told her I was concerned that if she reacted from this shot she would react worse from the next. She replied that there is no way to tell except give the shot and see But then she said if I would rather stop vaxing or delay anymore shots that would be fine I got right on the phone with our naturopath and she also agreed that C is having a reaction, I am now working with the ND to get her back to her normal self. After that I will have a meeting with the ND about future shots if any.

Dh has apparently done more *research* than I thought and still firmly believes that vaxing is the way to go. I see some of his points as being valid. His main concerns are the higher than average non-vaxed kids here and that 3 family members work full time in schools, DS also attends school.



I'll start by saying that I am anti-vax, my husband is 100% pro vax. We have compromised to have our daughter vaxed with Dr Sears's selective vax schedule, minus the rotavirus.

My daughter got the Dtap on Monday, she has been agitated since. My husband says it is like she has ants in her pants. She moves around like she is just totally uncomfortable and can't settle herself or be settled. I am wondering if this sounds like a possible reaction or just a coincidence. She had decreased sleep starting Saturday then the shot monday, on tuesday she was agitated and is still unable to settle.

Any feedback?

[Marnica]

This sounds like a fairly common reaction....Now I said common not normal...important distinction IMO.

Hopefully this will make your husband rethink things. If this is a reaction (I think it is reasonable to assume that it might be) then chances are it may be worse the next dose.

[snomnky]

When I mentioned this might be a reaction, he yelled at me. He firmly believes that vax's are safe and is not willing to do the research or listen to me, he won't even read Dr. Sears's Vaccine Book.

I believe my son also reacted to the Dtap vac, there does not seem to be any lasting effects. He will be four next month and I have stopped vaxing him.

The only way he would stop is if the Dr. agreed that she reacted and it was best to stop. I don't think her Doc would say that.

I don't really know what to do in this situation.

[kristi96]

Originally Posted by snomnky

I'll start by saying that I am anti-vax, my husband is 100% pro vax. We have compromised to have our daughter vaxed with Dr Sears's selective vax schedule, minus the rotavirus.

My daughter got the Dtap on Monday, she has been agitated since. My husband says it is like she has ants in her pants. She moves around like she is just totally uncomfortable and can't settle herself or be settled. I am wondering if this sounds like a possible reaction or just a coincidence. She had decreased sleep starting Saturday then the shot monday, on tuesday she was agitated and is still unable to settle.

Any feedback?

My three month old got Dtap on Monday and she has been very awake. Not getting her normal naps in. She has also been very fussy at the breast.

[peainthepod]

Originally Posted by snomnky

When I mentioned this might be a reaction, he yelled at me. He firmly believes that vax's are safe and is not willing to do the research or listen to me, he won't even read Dr. Sears's Vaccine Book.

I believe my son also reacted to the Dtap vac, there does not seem to be any lasting effects. He will be four next month and I have stopped vaxing him.

The only way he would stop is if the Dr. agreed that she reacted and it was best to stop. I don't think her Doc would say that.

I don't really know what to do in this situation.

In my house, the person who refuses to do any research or reading doesn't get a say. Given that your other child has had vaccine reactions, I would simply stop vaxing and tell my DH I'm not willing to discuss it with him until he's capable of meeting me on educated ground. It sounds like he's scared and emotional about this issue, so it's going to be hard to make him see reason. Men tend to view things logically, so turn it around him. Why does he think vaccines are so necessary for children's health? Why the DTaP in particular? Why does he think the risk of a vaccine reaction is worth taking? Make him show you that vaccines are safe, effective, and worth risking another reaction. If he's unwilling to use his brain, he simply doesn't get a vote.

Vaccine reactions often become more severe with subsequent exposures. It is very possible that the next dose could really hurt your child. I'm not trying to scare you, but I feel very strongly that your gut is telling you to stop. Don't let your DH bully you into making a decision you're not 100% comfortable with.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

In my house, the person who refuses to do any research or reading doesn't get a say. Given that your other child has had vaccine reactions, I would simply stop vaxing and tell my DH I'm not willing to discuss it with him until he's capable of meeting me on educated ground. It sounds like he's scared and emotional about this issue, so it's going to be hard to make him see reason. Men tend to view things logically, so turn it around him. Why does he think vaccines are so necessary for children's health? Why the DTaP in particular? Why does he think the risk of a vaccine reaction is worth taking? Make him show you that vaccines are safe, effective, and worth risking another reaction. If he's unwilling to use his brain, he simply doesn't get a vote.

Vaccine reactions often become more severe with subsequent exposures. It is very possible that the next dose could really hurt your child. I'm not trying to scare you, but I feel very strongly that your gut is telling you to stop. Don't let your DH bully you into making a decision you're not 100% comfortable with.

: not willing to research and think independently = no say!

[maxwill129]

Originally Posted by Marnica

: not willing to research and think independently = no say!

Absolutely!

[Gitti]

The parent who researches the issue is the one best informed and must be in charge of making the decision.

If he does not research and blindly trust doctors, he may find himself very sad if the advice is not in the best interest of his child and the child has a severe vaccine reaction.

Please tell him to watch this video -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...uCQ&q=vaccines

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

In my house, the person who refuses to do any research or reading doesn't get a say. Given that your other child has had vaccine reactions, I would simply stop vaxing and tell my DH I'm not willing to discuss it with him until he's capable of meeting me on educated ground. It sounds like he's scared and emotional about this issue, so it's going to be hard to make him see reason. Men tend to view things logically, so turn it around him. Why does he think vaccines are so necessary for children's health? Why the DTaP in particular? Why does he think the risk of a vaccine reaction is worth taking? Make him show you that vaccines are safe, effective, and worth risking another reaction. If he's unwilling to use his brain, he simply doesn't get a vote.

Vaccine reactions often become more severe with subsequent exposures. It is very possible that the next dose could really hurt your child. I'm not trying to scare you, but I feel very strongly that your gut is telling you to stop. Don't let your DH bully you into making a decision you're not 100% comfortable with.

Another :

This is such a very hard place to be. Try writing it all down together with your husband. Get it all out on paper, which diseases are being vaccinated for, what the diseases look like, how to treat them if your child has them, what is in the vaccines, any questions around the efficacy or safety of the vaccines. Ask yourself questions about the immune system and what supports healthy immune function and what undermines it.

It is very hard to make decisions together with a partner who does not have the information himself and is relying on the doctor to make the call.

Some families find solid reasons to vaccinate and others find solid reasons not to vacciante or to delay vaccination. You need to find what is right for your family with as much information as is possible. You need to be at peace with the decision you make, knowing that you have relied on a variety of sources for you information.

A website that helped me understand more of the issue around vaccines is insidevaccines.com



I hope your daugther is feeling more comfortable and settled.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by snomnky

I'll start by saying that I am anti-vax, my husband is 100% pro vax. We have compromised to have our daughter vaxed with Dr Sears's selective vax schedule, minus the rotavirus.

My daughter got the Dtap on Monday, she has been agitated since. My husband says it is like she has ants in her pants. She moves around like she is just totally uncomfortable and can't settle herself or be settled. I am wondering if this sounds like a possible reaction or just a coincidence. She had decreased sleep starting Saturday then the shot monday, on tuesday she was agitated and is still unable to settle.

Any feedback?

My daughter was born calm and content. Ever since she got the 2nd set of infant shots, she's behaved the way you describe, as though she has ants in her pants. She's almost 6 years old.

It seems to have gotten a little better over the years, but I strongly feel it was caused by the vaccines.

[peainthepod]

Originally Posted by emma1325

My daughter was born calm and content. Ever since she got the 2nd set of infant shots, she's behaved the way you describe, as though she has ants in her pants. She's almost 6 years old.

It seems to have gotten a little better over the years, but I strongly feel it was caused by the vaccines.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by snomnky

When I mentioned this might be a reaction, he yelled at me. He firmly believes that vax's are safe and is not willing to do the research or listen to me, he won't even read Dr. Sears's Vaccine Book.

I believe my son also reacted to the Dtap vac, there does not seem to be any lasting effects. He will be four next month and I have stopped vaxing him.

The only way he would stop is if the Dr. agreed that she reacted and it was best to stop. I don't think her Doc would say that.

I don't really know what to do in this situation.

If he refuses to read or research the subject, than he should have zero say on the subject. If my dh refused to listen/read/research etc. then I would say that our dc does not get ANY shots until he does.
eta: I am a non vaxer, but Dr. Sears delayed/selective schedule is disturbing to me. I feel that he has chosen questionable shots at questionable times. I would never go with that schedule if I were to vax.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by snomnky

*UPDATE*
I ended up calling the ped and the nurse agreed that she was having a reaction. I told her I was concerned that if she reacted from this shot she would react worse from the next. She replied that there is no way to tell except give the shot and see But then she said if I would rather stop vaxing or delay anymore shots that would be fine I got right on the phone with our naturopath and she also agreed that C is having a reaction, I am now working with the ND to get her back to her normal self. After that I will have a meeting with the ND about future shots if any.

Dh has apparently done more *research* than I thought and still firmly believes that vaxing is the way to go. I see some of his points as being valid. His main concerns are the higher than average non-vaxed kids here and that 3 family members work full time in schools, DS also attends school.

Im not sure I get his thinking...he is concerned because there are more non-vaxed children where you live? that 3 family members work in schools and that you have a son in school?? So he thinks that DD would be more likely to get a VPD because school children and unvaxed chidren are....what???

[MyBoysBlue]

I would think the higher than aveage number of unvaxed childrean in the area would be a bonus. Then your daughter would be more likely to pick up these childhood illness when she should, in childhood. One of my worries is that my unvaxed boys will end up picking up these illness when their older and are more likely to cause complications. We have a very high vax rate in this area.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by MyBoysBlue

I would think the higher than aveage number of unvaxed childrean in the area would be a bonus. Then your daughter would be more likely to pick up these childhood illness when she should, in childhood. One of my worries is that my unvaxed boys will end up picking up these illness when their older and are more likely to cause complications. We have a very high vax rate in this area.

I live in a town (Boulder CO) with higher than average number of unvaxed and under-vaxed children, and as far as I know there have been no epidemics of VADs, chicken pox is pretty common though. I also believe Boulder is known for its high incidence of pertussis, but that is probably because it is more often correctly diagnosed because of the low uptake of vaccinations, not because it is more prevalent than places with a higher vax rate, where the doctors are more likely to call it something else. Unfortunately there is no measles, mumps or rubella going around.

[Emmeline II]

Here are some questions to answer for himself in deciding about vax; after having two children with vax reactions I would not even consider another vax until he has answered every question for every vax/VAD.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Inside Vaccines

Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

[KimPM]

Originally Posted by snomnky

The only way he would stop is if the Dr. agreed that she reacted and it was best to stop. I don't think her Doc would say that.

I don't really know what to do in this situation.

In addition to all the other advice by PP's, I would also start looking for another doctor. I'd try to find one who will not only tolerate you not vaxing, but one who is actively anti-vax. This way, the doctor could explain it to him and the doctor would already be in agreement with you (no defending yourself to the doctor as well as your DH).

You can post in your local MDC area to see if anyone else has found a doctor such as the one I am describing.