Pandemic and Forced Vaccination

[anewmama]

What will you do if they elect to force vaccinations depending on how the N1H! flu proceeds. An email is circulating on the net about this. For more links on the email, check here,

Check out The Emergency Powers Act.

http://www.publichealthlaw.net/MSEHPA/MSEHPA2.pdf

Not sure if this exceeds posting limits so if it does, let me know and I will edit. It's a circulating email.

"The only dangers in this absurd "Pandemic" are the political dangers:
1. UN can take control of every country in a Pandemic see http://ochaonline.un.org/OchaLinkCli...&docId=1095473 See also www.spp-psp.gc.ca/eic/site/spp-psp.nsf/vwapj/pandemic-influenza.pdf/$FILE/pandemic-influenza.pdf in http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2698
2. State and Federal Laws allow choice of forced vaccination or incarceration in prisons or camps http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2802 making it ESSENTIAL to demand the right to self-quarantine NOW: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o...aign_KEY=27275
Read Free Natural Solutions Foundation White Paper on Self Quarantine: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2752
3. Unsafe, untested and unnecessary weaponized vaccines are being produced against a non-existant threat at a global cost of trillions of dollars - and who knows how many lives? http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2764
The madness MUST stop before it reaps its deadly havoc. We are the force that MUST stop it. If you have never understood the dangers before, if you have convinced yourself that others could take care of the problem, if you have harbored fantasies that Big Pharma, the UN and your own government would really not do you any harm, now would be a good time to wake up from that comfortable, but quite groundless dream.
I promise you that if we do not, in our millions, demand the right to self quarantine instead of unbelievable this vaccine or being marched off to a FEMA camp or State Prison, unbelievable numbers of us will fall ill and die - not from this clearly weaponized virus (even if it is re-engineered to make it a more successful killer than it has been so far) but from the vaccines and the social chaos which results from the marshal law and containment tactics used against us.
Here is the Action Item calling for the right to self quarantine again: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o...aign_KEY=27275
USE IT NOW and SHARE IT WITH EVERYONE ON YOUR LIST.

[1littlebit]

how would they force that?

[peainthepod]

I remember similar emails circulating during the previous bird flu and SARS scares. Not that I don't think the power-crazed loons in government wouldn't do this--they totally would, if it were feasible. But rounding people up into camps...on a global level? I mean, even doing it just in North America would be exceedingly difficult. The United States alone is enormous, covering a vast expanse of land. We have a hugely diverse terrain, a very well-armed populace, and while yes, many people are concentrated in the cities, a whole lot of people aren't. And they have guns and the deep conviction that something like this has been brewing for years. (And they're probably right.)

It would be like a repeat of Waco or Ruby Ridge but on a national scale, in every small town and even many of our major cities. Rioting on an unimaginable level, chaos everywhere... Our local police forces have been heavily militarized in the last few years but they're still no match for a determined and well-armed local population of guerrillas, many of them combat veterans. Our military is spread thin in dozens of countries overseas, and even the few paltry units currently stationed on American soil for the purposes of crowd control can't cover that much ground.

I don't know. I think most people will gladly line up for their shots. They won't need camps, if they control the media and the medical establishment. They can rule through fear alone. The stragglers will find themselves on the fringes of society, but haven't we always?

I guess what I'm saying is, I think a global move to do something on this scale is possible but unlikely unless they have some insane secret weaponry that can quickly and easily incapacitate large populations of people without a drop of blood spilled.

In any case, I won't be too worried until they start initiating a nationwide gun grab. As my dear friend likes to say, the Second Amendment was created in case they try to ignore the others.

[anewmama]

I don't know how they would implement it. If, as you say, most will willingly line up, that will make it much easier to use force on the rest. So the attempt might not be so massive as we can imagine. So the question might be, how would they force the fringe to vaccinate which would be a far more likely scenario as you point out.

But, I am not sure about a nationwide gun grab but there is already a nation wide ammo grab because of gun advocates fears that Obama will try to take away the second amendment. One month ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/04/amm...age/index.html

[peainthepod]

I meant a gun grab as in the government grabbing guns in violation of the Second Amendment, not law-abiding citizens buying weaponry to (rightly) protect themselves from violence, government or otherwise.

How would they force the fringe to vaccinate? I don't know. I suspect bullying and social pressure would work on a lot of people. They could rescind all exemptions for public schools. Create badges or ID cards that vaccine-free families have to wear and/or carry at all times. Create legislation that requires a person to provide up-to-date vaccine records before they can be issued a passport, driver's license, health insurance card, or any kind of state ID.

There are a million things they can do. The question that's more pertinent, in my opinion, is how much they can get away with before the silent majority finally cracks. I think even pro-vax people are going to have a problem with government thugs rounding up innocent civilians and shoving them into concentration camps...er, Department of Homeland Security Emergency Inoculation and Processing Centers®.

As I said, when they start disarming Americans on a massive scale I will be scared. Until then, it seems impractical at best.

[1littlebit]

not allowing exemptions would only work for school aged kids... what about those of us with infants and toddlers.. or homeschoolers?

[anewmama]

More:

http://rolandsanjuan.blogspot.com/20...dangerous.html

Looking for text on The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act.

[anewmama]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

The question that's more pertinent, in my opinion, is how much they can get away with before the silent majority finally cracks.

A LONG time, IMO. Look how few object to the current vaccine program. And with so many sucked into Fox and CNN, most will believe it's all for the public good and continue to look at those who refuse or decline like they had two heads.

[1littlebit]

i think FOX would have a flipping field day if the obama administration tried to force vaccinations. it would be a dream come true for whats his name.. the guy who own the network

[Sileree]

I agree it doesn’t seem feasible so I am not really worried.

1) If they "mandate" it, I will simply not go to a clinic and get the shot. They can kiss my butt.

2) If they give me the choice between self-quarantine and the shot, I will choose quarantine.

3) If somehow they find a way to get enough personnel and go door to door to force every single person to get vaccinated or go to prison, I honestly don’t know. I’d probably board up the house and lock everything up. I honestly might get a gun in that situation. And I'm not a fan of guns. But I’m not going to put my life on the line and get a shot or go to prison where I might get sick and die. I would absolutely hate to use deadly force and would only if had to. But I feel it would be justified if it’s to protect myself and my family.

I considered running away but I wonder if you could really get across the border to Canada or if there'd be roadblocks. I think it'd be safer and healthier to stay at home.

ETA: DP has reminded me that it's not likely they could block people coming over from America since the border is so large. I forgot about that and was thinking the only way across was through a checkpoint. Doh. So maybe I'd try running away... not sure.

[1littlebit]

even if i wasn't opposed to vaccines i wouldn't get this one b/c they haven't had enough time to test it. and even if that wouldn't bother me i still wouldn't do it b/c they can't make me. thats way over the top.

[peainthepod]

Originally Posted by anewmama

A LONG time, IMO. Look how few object to the current vaccine program. And with so many sucked into Fox and CNN, most will believe it's all for the public good and continue to look at those who refuse or decline like they had two heads.

Lots of people object to the current vaccine program, which is why they get exemptions or homeschool. And yes, while the Empire keeps throwing bread and circuses around, the masses are less likely to take action. But when people start being rounded up and put on boxcars into domestic "quarantine" camps, no amount of media spin will hide what's really going on. The internet genie is out of the bottle and it can never, ever be put back in. Video will surface, eyewitness testimony will get out, and truth will prevail. It always does.

The sorts of people who own lots of guns and hate the government are exactly the sorts of people who know better than to trust CNN and Fox and the New York Times and all the other modern state organs. And there are a lot more of them than many realize. Why do you think there has been a strong push to classify people as diverse as Ron Paul voters and people who actively speak out against the Federal Reserve as "potential terrorists"? Remember that leaked memo from Missouri? This is not a new idea by any means.

The lemmings will keep doing what they've always done: nothing. The rest of us will either fight or run. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that.

[transformed]

I feel that this is coming.

It worries me a little.

[1littlebit]

wouldn't people revolt or something? not because of the vaccine but because they were trying to force it?

[Kimmiepie]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

I remember similar emails circulating during the previous bird flu and SARS scares. Not that I don't think the power-crazed loons in government wouldn't do this--they totally would, if it were feasible. But rounding people up into camps...on a global level? I mean, even doing it just in North America would be exceedingly difficult. The United States alone is enormous, covering a vast expanse of land. We have a hugely diverse terrain, a very well-armed populace, and while yes, many people are concentrated in the cities, a whole lot of people aren't. And they have guns and the deep conviction that something like this has been brewing for years. (And they're probably right.)

It would be like a repeat of Waco or Ruby Ridge but on a national scale, in every small town and even many of our major cities. Rioting on an unimaginable level, chaos everywhere... Our local police forces have been heavily militarized in the last few years but they're still no match for a determined and well-armed local population of guerrillas, many of them combat veterans. Our military is spread thin in dozens of countries overseas, and even the few paltry units currently stationed on American soil for the purposes of crowd control can't cover that much ground.

I don't know. I think most people will gladly line up for their shots. They won't need camps, if they control the media and the medical establishment. They can rule through fear alone. The stragglers will find themselves on the fringes of society, but haven't we always?

I guess what I'm saying is, I think a global move to do something on this scale is possible but unlikely unless they have some insane secret weaponry that can quickly and easily incapacitate large populations of people without a drop of blood spilled.

In any case, I won't be too worried until they start initiating a nationwide gun grab. As my dear friend likes to say, the Second Amendment was created in case they try to ignore the others.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread...but I've heard this mentioned several times before. What happened in Waco?

[mamadelbosque]

I'm seriously not worried. They can't do it. Oh sure, they could try, but it'd never work. It'd never come to fruition. There are a *LOT* more anti-government folks out there than most people realize, and most all of them have LOTS of guns. As for us, personally, we'd self quarantee. It wouldn't be in the least bit hard to drop a few trees over the road in order to keep folks away (we're the last ones on a dead-end dirt road; closest neighbors are nearly a mile up the road).

And seriously, you think FOX & the right wingers would let Obama do something like this without raising a HUGE fit?? Right. I hate FOX, rush, hannity, etc but theres no way they'd go along with something like this, and neither would teh millions who follow them. So, you'd have all us 'fringe' folk on the far far left and far far right who hate the gov refusing and tehn most everyone else on the right refusing and probably most folks on teh far left refusing, and just this narrow minority int he middle who'd go along. Wouldn't fly.

In Waco/Ruby Ridge the FBI tried to take over a compound and I forget how many people ended up dieing, but a lot. Google waco ruby ridge. Or look it up on wikipedia.

[1littlebit]

: the idea of FOX not making a media field day out of something like that is laughable. this is like their dream come true. every republican i know would got absolutely bat sh!t crazy if they caught wind of this.

[peainthepod]

Wiki article about the Waco Massacre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

Here's a scathing editorial about what really happened there and why: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory186.html

[Kimmiepie]

Thanks.

Wow, living in Texas all my life, and now only 40 minutes south of Waco I'm surprised I'd never heard about this.

Anyway, carry on.

[anewmama]

Caught wind of it? You guys aren't digging deep enough. This is part of the Bush fall out and years of republican rule.


And why this is not so far fetched:
http://www.naturalnews.com/026434_va...cinations.html

From a Washington Post article of May 6, 2009, "The Obama administration is considering an unprecedented fall vaccination campaign that could entail giving Americans three flu shots -- one to combat annual seasonal influenza and two targeted at the new swine flu virus spreading across the globe. If enacted, the multibillion-dollar effort would represent the first time that top federal health officials have asked Americans to get more than one flu vaccine in a year, raising serious challenges . . . (with) the ability to track potentially severe side effects."
...
This plan involves Canada, the USA, and Mexico. The language involved with all these measures leaves the call to emergency action open for interpretation by a sole authority. That sole authority, currently within North America, is destined to be under the U.N.'s Dr. David Nabarro, the U.N. Influenza System Coordinator. This provides for the full police action of whatever military groups are available to enforce vaccinations, and it is top down from afar. So who makes your health decisions?
In case you doubt some of the references (some are the backbone of the vaccine debate and "you" might doubt some)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050503378.html
http://www.spp-psp.gc.ca/eic/site/sp...eng/00092.html

How it is going to be funded in part:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews


I know that there are alot of anti-government people and there is a vast freedom of speech now with the internet. However, I would not put it past the government to have a plan in place to deal with insurrection. I think the question is a matter of scope. Could they control the entire population? of course not. But look how they pretty much have all New yorkers over a barrel around refusing vaccination. You don't think they could tighten the noose elsewhere and make exemptions really hard? Totally eliminating them? You don't think that a mandatory vaccination plan doesn't have many stages to it and many points of enforcement? It's not going to go from society today as we know it to military in the streets. They probably have some plan or some mechanism to force the issue well before the most dramatic plan outlined in those links.